bush_cheney2004 Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: That's true...but I'm still waiting for an answer to my question. I have already answered your question. Israel and the U.S. have a relationship that benefits both nations for collaboration on several fronts with common enemies / interests. These include military platform development/testing, intel gathering, counter terrorism, naval port (Haifa), anti missile defense, covert operations, hostage recovery, cybersecurity, economic investment, etc. The U.S. aids Israel because it is in America's interest to do so. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 18 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Friends don't let friends always pay the military tab either, but that hasn't stopped deadbeat Canada. You haven't picked up any tab, you've dumped it on your kids. I see no good reason for enabling you by contributing to the problem. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 1 minute ago, eyeball said: You haven't picked up any tab, you've dumped it on your kids. I see no good reason for enabling you by contributing to the problem. You can't contribute to the problem...that is the point. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: The U.S. aids Israel because it is in America's interest to do so. The US aids Israel out of habit. It only got started because of your religious dingbats and their End of Days crap Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 24 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: You can't contribute to the problem...that is the point. Okay, sure. That's no excuse for you people setting the world on fire over someone's brainfart. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 (edited) 51 minutes ago, eyeball said: The US aids Israel out of habit. It only got started because of your religious dingbats and their End of Days crap Nope...started with first state recognition in 1948 and support from JFK and LBJ, particularly after the Six Day War against Soviet hardware backed enemies. The U.S. even got its hands on several Russian aircraft and ground systems for analysis. A Catholic JFK was no more dingbat than the Catholics running the show in Canada. 47 minutes ago, eyeball said: Okay, sure. That's no excuse for you people setting the world on fire over someone's brainfart. The world is not on fire...it is the same as before and after any war. Rinse and repeat. Iran's football/soccer team still plans to participate in 2026 FIFA World Cup...in the USA. Edited April 3 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Nationalist Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: I have already answered your question. Israel and the U.S. have a relationship that benefits both nations for collaboration on several fronts with common enemies / interests. These include military platform development/testing, intel gathering, counter terrorism, naval port (Haifa), anti missile defense, covert operations, hostage recovery, cybersecurity, economic investment, etc. The U.S. aids Israel because it is in America's interest to do so. Hmmm...ya know...it looks like this relationship is rather one-sided. "1. Origins: recognition, memory and cultural affinity U.S. support traces to immediate post‑World War II choices — President Harry S. Truman’s rapid recognition of Israel in 1948 and earlier American sympathy toward a Jewish homeland rooted in the Balfour legacy and Holocaust memory — which seeded a durable moral and cultural affinity between the two societies that public intellectuals and institutions have reinforced over decades [1] [2]. 2. Cold War and strategic utility During the Cold War Washington cultivated Israel as a regional partner to counter Soviet influence and to secure allies in a volatile theater; administrations treated Israel as an asset in balancing Arab states and as a locus for U.S. intelligence, military cooperation and contingency planning in the region [2] [7]. Key episodes — U.S. arms transfers, emergency resupplies in conflicts like 1973, and diplomatic maneuvering — illustrate how strategic calculations hardened into routine support [8] [7]. 3. Military and financial institutionalization Today support is largely institutional: decades of bilateral assistance and defense cooperation have made Israel a major recipient of American security aid and weapons, codified in memoranda of understanding that currently provide billions per year and special procurement privileges for Israeli defense purchases [5] [3]. The U.S. has also funnelled large sums into missile defense and joint programs, creating interlocking industrial and operational ties " Domestic politics in the United States — including organized Jewish advocacy, pro‑Israel groups, evangelical Christian support rooted in Christian Zionism, and a bipartisan foreign policy consensus — have shaped lawmakers’ incentives and made Israel a rare foreign policy position with consistent cross‑party backing, even as some fissures have appeared recently [2] [4] [6]. Journalistic and academic accounts note that political benefits and constituency pressures have repeatedly influenced specific policy decisions " https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/why-does-the-us-support-israel-explained-9d6da6 Billions in financial and military aid from the US to Isreal. Yup...one-sided. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
eyeball Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 19 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: The world is not on fire...it is the same as before and after any war. Rinse and repeat. It's over like, Mission Accomplished over? You'll have to excuse me but I've been in and out of range today. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: Yup...one-sided. So what ? The same can be said for deadbeat Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 (edited) 5 minutes ago, eyeball said: It's over like, Mission Accomplished over? It's over when we want...start again when we want...just as before. Quote You'll have to excuse me but I've been in and out of range today. That's why we used the marine radio operator in SoCal. Edited April 3 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Nationalist Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: So what ? The same can be said for deadbeat Canada. That's semi-true. Except isreal doesn't provide much in the way of real trade. Canada at least does. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Nationalist said: That's semi-true. Except isreal doesn't provide much in the way of real trade. Canada at least does. $55 billion in trade is not trivial...we get pharma, defense, and electronics. Israel also provides something that Canada is afraid to do without ponderous domestic and international consensus. Quote Key Aspects of the Relationship Free Trade Agreement (FTA): Signed in 1985, it eliminated most tariffs between the nations. Key Sectors: High-tech, cybersecurity, aerospace, and life sciences are major areas of cooperation. Investment: Over 2,500 U.S. firms operate in Israel, and Israel is a significant source of foreign direct investment (FDI) in the U.S.. Trade Balance: The U.S. generally maintains a goods trade deficit with Israel, which was $6.7 billion in 2025. Edited April 3 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 10 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: It's over when we want...start again when we want...just as before Well you don't need us for that. We'd just get in the way. 11 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: That's why we used the marine radio operator in SoCal. We were up a narrow steep inlet so no reception. We never know what we're coming home to up there. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Nationalist Posted April 3 Report Posted April 3 (edited) 13 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: $55 billion in trade is not trivial...we get pharma, defense, and electronics. Israel also provides something that Canada is afraid to do without ponderous domestic and international consensus. Blow people up? Steal other people's homes? Look...I understand that Isreal exists and says they are willing to make the Arab Peninsula a "glass parkinglot". But that's still not our concern. Besides...I seriously doubt they have that many nukes. And I didn't blame them for what they did to Gaza. In fact...my initial reaction was to advise they level Gaza on the 8th. Be done with it and move on. This...slow enialation has caused way too many problems over time. But Iran was not a realistic threat to the USA. Now? Who knows? Edited April 4 by Nationalist Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 4 Report Posted April 4 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: Blow people up? Steal other people's homes? Far more than that. There is something that Israel provides that you are probably fully aware of but choose not to admit, as it is not directly beneficial to Canada. Israel can and has done things in concert with many U.S. administrations (regardless of ruling party) that are politically sensitive and/or flat out illegal for the U.S. government. I won't go into any more detail than that. Quote ... This...slow enialation has caused way too many problems over time. But Iran was not a realistic threat to the USA. Now? Who knows? It was only a matter of time....U.S. and Israel chose to act now. Already bombed Iran last year. Iran was a threat to U.S. ally Israel and neighboring states, international shipping, terrorism, yada, yada, yada. Even Iranian ex-pats want the regime to be gone...OK with the war. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted April 4 Report Posted April 4 5 minutes ago, Nationalist said: But Iran was not a realistic threat to the USA. Now? Who knows? What about the bigger picture here, can't you see how this sticks it to Libbies? There's silver linings here for everyone. Just think about the profits to our oil companies and royalties to our government. Why it's even better than tariffs. There are millionaires being created as we speak and probably even a billionaire or two as well!👍 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted April 4 Report Posted April 4 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Far more than that. There is something that Israel provides that you are probably fully aware of but choose not to admit, as it is not directly beneficial to Canada. Israel can and has done things in concert with many U.S. administrations (regardless of ruling party) that are politically sensitive and/or flat out illegal for the U.S. government. I won't go into any more detail than that. That's probably what Churchill said about Americans when defending Operation Ajax to skeptics in his cabinet. Assuming he told them anything. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 4 Report Posted April 4 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: That's probably what Churchill said about Americans when defending Operation Ajax to skeptics in his cabinet. Assuming he told them anything. Maybe....back then, nationalizing American/British oil investment would automatically earn you an Operation Overthrow Your Ass. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted April 4 Report Posted April 4 11 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Maybe....back then, nationalizing American/British oil investment would automatically earn you an Operation Overthrow Your Ass. So why didn't Truman automatically go for it? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 4 Report Posted April 4 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: So why didn't Truman automatically go for it? Because of the Soviet Union and Cold War. Truman had other fish to fry and acted as a mediator instead. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted April 4 Report Posted April 4 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Because of the Soviet Union and Cold War. Truman had other fish to fry and acted as a mediator instead. He deserves a shovel up side the head for not blowing the whistle. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 4 Report Posted April 4 Just now, eyeball said: He deserves a shovel up side the head for not blowing the whistle. Nah...it's easy to try and pass judgement after 70 years, but there is no guarantee that outcomes would be any better/different. In 1956, Ike had to step on Israel, France, and UK because of the Suez Canal affair. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted April 4 Report Posted April 4 14 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Nah...it's easy to try and pass judgement after 70 years, It's a matter of acknowledging the root causes so everyone can get on with reconciling and negotiating the next 70. I guess it's easier to just keep up a forever conflict punctuated by the occasional excursion. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 4 Report Posted April 4 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: It's a matter of acknowledging the root causes so everyone can get on with reconciling and negotiating the next 70. The root cause(s) for the Islamic Revolution was not just Operation Ajax, but a host of issues around westernization, class warfare, and social disruption. It is simplistic to blame that one event. The U.S. and other nations (like Canada) have instigated many other coups, but that didn't necessarily result in Death to Israel/America. Quote I guess it's easier to just keep up a forever conflict punctuated by the occasional excursion. Not easier, but far more pragmatic given the alternatives. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Nationalist Posted April 4 Report Posted April 4 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Far more than that. There is something that Israel provides that you are probably fully aware of but choose not to admit, as it is not directly beneficial to Canada. Israel can and has done things in concert with many U.S. administrations (regardless of ruling party) that are politically sensitive and/or flat out illegal for the U.S. government. I won't go into any more detail than that. Goodie! A slime for an ally. I wonder when the slime will screw you? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
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