Why does Japan have six times more MRIs than Canada?

[I am Groot]

And other questions that might occur and have occurred over the years about why we spend so much on healthcare and seem to get so little.

Evidently, we're now spending more per person than France. France has almost twice as many MRIs as we do.

France has 5.5 hospital beds per 1,000 people. Canada has 2.5.

We spend more than Japan. They have almost six times more MRIs.  They have over 12 hospital beds per person to our 2.5.

Why?

 

https://archive.is/qXb2N

Edited March 18 by I am Groot

[John Johnston]

Because they were nuked probably, not to mention a couple meltdowns... 

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

And other questions that might occur and have occurred over the years about why we spend so much on healthcare and seem to get so little.

Evidently, we're now spending more per person than France. France has almost twice as many MRIs as we do.

France has 5.5 hospital beds per 1,000 people. Canada has 2.5.

We spend more than Japan. They have almost six times more MRIs.  They have over 12 hospital beds per person to our 2.5.

Why?

 

https://archive.is/qXb2N

If you read the same article I did, a big reason is because we spend way too much money money on elder and end-of-life care.  

[John Johnston]

42 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

If you read the same article I did, a big reason is because we spend way too much money money on elder and end-of-life care.  

Yes. Big part of it as well. I'm just cherry picking.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

We spend more than Japan. They have almost six times more MRIs.  They have over 12 hospital beds per person to our 2.5.

Why?

Maybe they're just better at healthcare than we are. Is there any reason to disbelieve we'd be better at it too if we adopted their system?

In the meantime it's their ability to maintain a better health system with a significantly older population that's shrinking at an accelerating rate that we should really study and try to emulate.

It seems to defy everything we're led to believe about growth.

Edited March 18 by eyeball

[ironstone]

50 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

If you read the same article I did, a big reason is because we spend way too much money money on elder and end-of-life care.  

The Liberals are trying to address that with MAID.

While health care in Canada has gone downhill, MAID is rather efficient by comparison.

In terms of inefficiency, Canada must rank near the top for most things.

[herbie]

WTF does the number of MRI machines have to do the overall measure of health care? They're for specific uses. Add on, the distribution of population is not the same in both countries.

Like I tell Americans using the number of MRIs to criticize our health system "Cdn doctors are so f-cking good they don't need an MRI to tell you that you shot your own leg off.
Neither do they earn a cut sending you for one.

Sure we could use more. Like in the central hospital, not one in each of the dozen smaller ones 150 kms away,

Edited March 18 by herbie

[LinkSoul60]

31 minutes ago, ironstone said:

The Liberals are trying to address that with MAID.

While health care in Canada has gone downhill, MAID is rather efficient by comparison.

In terms of inefficiency, Canada must rank near the top for most things.

What are Poilievre's solutions for the federal and each provinces governments?

[ironstone]

13 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

What are Poilievre's solutions for the federal and each provinces governments?

Things wouldn't be so bad in health care if mass immigration wasn't basically official policy. Poilievre has spoken out on that issue.

 

National Testing Standard    Poilievre proposes a "Blue Seal" National Professional Testing Standard to quickly license healthcare professionals, enabling qualified foreign-trained doctors and nurses to work more easily in Canada. This aims to alleviate the shortage of healthcare workers.
Streamlining Licensing    He aims to eliminate bureaucratic barriers that currently hinder foreign-trained professionals from obtaining licenses in Canada. The goal is to ensure that licensure is based on competency rather than on where someone studied.

The current system doesn't work well and there is rabid opposition to even considering allowing more private sector involvement. Other countries that have better rated health care allow a mix of public and private care so why not in Canada?

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

If you read the same article I did, a big reason is because we spend way too much money money on elder and end-of-life care.  

Our elder and end-of-life care sucks ass. How are we spending so much for that and getting so little?

[Moonbox]

1 minute ago, I am Groot said:

Our elder and end-of-life care sucks ass. How are we spending so much for that and getting so little?

I don't know, but if you read the article you'd see we spend more on this stuff without getting better outcomes. 

[I am Groot]

38 minutes ago, herbie said:

WTF does the number of MRI machines have to do the overall measure of health care? They're for specific uses. Add on, the distribution of population is not the same in both countries.

Like I tell Americans using the number of MRIs to criticize our health system "Cdn doctors are so f-cking good they don't need an MRI to tell you that you shot your own leg off.
Neither do they earn a cut sending you for one.

Sure we could use more. Like in the central hospital, not one in each of the dozen smaller ones 150 kms away,

There speaks a man who has never had to wait months for an MRI to tell him what's wrong with something.

2 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

I don't know, but if you read the article you'd see we spend more on this stuff without getting better outcomes. 

What we should have done a decade or two back was establish a royal commission on healthcare, or something similar to study and compare our system with other western nations and figure out what they're doing right and we're doing wrong and how to change our system to be more like theirs.

[eyeball]

7 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Things wouldn't be so bad in health care if mass immigration wasn't basically official policy. Poilievre has spoken out on that issue.

Things look like they could be even better if we started shrinking our population.

[Moonbox]

10 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

What we should have done a decade or two back was establish a royal commission on healthcare, or something similar to study and compare our system with other western nations and figure out what they're doing right and we're doing wrong and how to change our system to be more like theirs.

Yes.  It's not like we've had decades to do this or anything...better to just kick the can down the road some more I think, right?  

[eyeball]

13 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

What we should have done a decade or two back was establish a royal commission on healthcare, or something similar to study and compare our system with other western nations and figure out what they're doing right and we're doing wrong and how to change our system to be more like theirs.

What we're doing wrong is refusing to swallow our pride and admit we suck at governing our selves efficiently compared to our peers.

Everything usually starts at the top but I also have serious doubts about the willingness of Canadians to be governed without putting up a big fuss. It could well be it's us that sucks too.

[Michael Hardner]

If you ask Google the question, Gemini comes back and says Japan has better outcomes for Less money overall... So it's a two-tier system, but there's a copay of up to $600 a month. You will pay 30% 

 

For my family we would be paying the full amount, I'm not sure if that was per family. So we would be 7K up to 28k depending on that Factoid. 

 

I think a two-tier system could do better, but we have a terrible mindset around management of services. Generally.. It's not like the government, Rogers, Bell, Canada, or the rest of The crowd really stand above each other.

 

I work in services, in Tech, and I'm constantly pointing out to people that you have to think of the customer... The person who pays the bills. People are far more interested, in Canada, in making their boss happy

 

 

[LinkSoul60]

59 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Things wouldn't be so bad in health care if mass immigration wasn't basically official policy. Poilievre has spoken out on that issue.

 

National Testing Standard    Poilievre proposes a "Blue Seal" National Professional Testing Standard to quickly license healthcare professionals, enabling qualified foreign-trained doctors and nurses to work more easily in Canada. This aims to alleviate the shortage of healthcare workers.
Streamlining Licensing    He aims to eliminate bureaucratic barriers that currently hinder foreign-trained professionals from obtaining licenses in Canada. The goal is to ensure that licensure is based on competency rather than on where someone studied.

The current system doesn't work well and there is rabid opposition to even considering allowing more private sector involvement. Other countries that have better rated health care allow a mix of public and private care so why not in Canada?

There is no debate that immigration levels after the pandemic added to the challenge.  Just one of the reasons immigration is being scaled back.

We already have a national testing standard that is managed federally and was addressed last year with the express entry to better fast track applicants.  Canadian healthcare is not the sole responsibility of the Federal government who is charged with funding and standards, but each Province or Territory is responsible for delivering those healthcare services and regulating doctors and nurses.... with some provinces managing it better than others.  Fair to say there is blame both federally and provincially for where healthcare is at.

Can't say that I've dove too deeply into the what a hybrid healthcare system would look like but guessing it would be a shock for most if they had to pay out of pocket.  

[suds]

Comparing Japan's healthcare system with Canada is flawed to begin with. We have a policy of mass immigration while Japan's immigration is in the single low digits. Why can't we just copy some European country's healthcare system that works? We have too many bloody ideologues running things, and change is almost impossible. And that's with just about everything and not just healthcare.

[suds]

10 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Can't say that I've dove too deeply into the what a hybrid healthcare system would look like but guessing it would be a shock for most if they had to pay out of pocket.  

It's going to be a much larger shock (for the vast majority) when they find out that Auntie Emm needs an operation to live and can't get one.

[LinkSoul60]

3 minutes ago, suds said:

It's going to be a much larger shock (for the vast majority) when they find out that Auntie Emm needs an operation to live and can't get one.

Then they should hold their provincial governments responsible for Auntie Emm's lack of care.

[suds]

12 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Then they should hold their provincial governments responsible for Auntie Emm's lack of care.

That's going to fix things is it? Ok, so we'll just start pointing fingers and see if that works. And while were at it, pretend the feds policies have nothing to with anything.

[eyeball]

22 minutes ago, suds said:

Comparing Japan's healthcare system with Canada is flawed to begin with. We have a policy of mass immigration while Japan's immigration is in the single low digits. Why can't we just copy some European country's healthcare system that works?

Why not go a step further and hire the best to manage and operate our healthcare system for us? We clearly suck at it, we've proven that with 13 seperate jurisdictions that can't get it right. Maybe Cubans...they had healthcare outcomes that were amongst the best in the West before the West squashed them. They'd probably work for less than Europeans.

[LinkSoul60]

3 minutes ago, suds said:

That's going to fix things is it? Ok, so we'll just start pointing fingers and see if that works. And while were at it, pretend the feds policies have nothing to with anything.

The Fed's role is national health standards, national certification and funding.  The Feds had a huge role in opening the door to mass immigration that further burdened the system and last year tried to address staffing shortages with the Express Entry program.  Are you pretending this is all the federal governments doing and that provincial governments are not responsible for the management of their healthcare systems?  

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Moonbox said:

we spend way too much money money on elder and end-of-life care.  

At first I thought that John Johnstone's joke about Japan getting nuked was gonna be the most repugnant post in this thread. It appears that I underestimated how deep in the slime you guys all operate. 

[herbie]

6 hours ago, I am Groot said:

There speaks a man who has never had to wait months for an MRI to tell him what's wrong with something

I've never needed one. The wife had several and we had to travel vernight for each one. So what?
You had to wait your turn. Like everyone everywhere has to. The fact you're here posting means it was an inconvenience and not proof the whole country's falling apart.