paxamericana Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 Simple, it will run out of missiles and drones. Data currently shows attack frequency significantly decreased since the beginning of the war as attrition takes its toll and the expenditure of munitions exceed resupply. The Iranian strategy in a nutshell was to cause as much damage to the world’s economic engine as it could in hopes that the US would back down. Two glaring problem with that approach; 1) The US is no longer a net oil importer 2) the US economy does not rely on access to the Persian gulf. Quote
CdnFox Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 1 Probably correct. We will probably see iran's ability to launch attacks into the straight so degraded That it will be fairly easy for the Americans to guarantee the safety of ships passing through in the not too distant future. If not now then relatively soon. 2 Entirely wrong. It absolutely does. Read a book 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
robosmith Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 1 hour ago, paxamericana said: Simple, it will run out of missiles and drones. Data currently shows attack frequency significantly decreased since the beginning of the war as attrition takes its toll and the expenditure of munitions exceed resupply. The Iranian strategy in a nutshell was to cause as much damage to the world’s economic engine as it could in hopes that the US would back down. Two glaring problem with that approach; 1) The US is no longer a net oil importer 2) the US economy does not rely on access to the Persian gulf. Iran has a lot of missiles and drones left and can likely keep the Strait closed for much longer than Trump has the patience. He needs to get out BEFORE the midterm elections because he's toast if the Dems control the House and the Senate. Quote
paxamericana Posted March 17 Author Report Posted March 17 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: It absolutely does US shipping does not transit the straight in any meaningful quantity mmmkay. 1 hour ago, robosmith said: Dems control the House and the Senate. The guy isn’t up for reelection. The mid terms results won’t matter, US presidents have authority to decide when the war ends. 1 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 1 hour ago, paxamericana said: The guy isn’t up for reelection. The mid terms results won’t matter, US presidents have authority to decide when the war ends. I think you are right for another reason...mid-terms almost always means lost seats in the House, so it was going to happen anyway. Obama lost far more seats in Congress at 2010 midterms than Trump did during his first term. The Senate will be harder to flip because of states and candidates up for re-election. If President Trump can deliver a "friendlier" Venezuela / Cuba, and a disarmed Iran by November, he will most certainly think it was worth it. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hodad Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 6 hours ago, paxamericana said: Simple, it will run out of missiles and drones. Data currently shows attack frequency significantly decreased since the beginning of the war as attrition takes its toll and the expenditure of munitions exceed resupply. The Iranian strategy in a nutshell was to cause as much damage to the world’s economic engine as it could in hopes that the US would back down. Two glaring problem with that approach; 1) The US is no longer a net oil importer 2) the US economy does not rely on access to the Persian gulf. Isn't it already working? Trump is begging for help from the countries that he continuously ignores, insults and disrespects. His line yesterday was "maybe we shouldn't be here at all." He's a man of little conviction, on the verge of taking his ball and going home. 2 Quote
John Stone Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 (edited) The U.S. is a major exporter and importer (gasoline) ANY change in international trade or demand directly affect U.S. business and consumers. The Persian Gulf is important to the U.S. because it is a critical maritime chokepoint for global oil trade and it's derivatives Arguably the U.S. wouldn't be the Nation it is today without the global economy, designed by the U.S., post WWII. It's often asked, 'why is the U.S. seen as the global cop"? It's because stability is the life blood - the U.S. has by far the most to lose in commerce due to global instability and denied access to sea routes - think South China Sea - dash line? In any case whether the U.S. is a net energy exporter is moot - ask yourself why is the price of gas increasing? Simply put, the oil produced by fracking (high sulphur) in the U.S. is not suitable for the domestic refineries. Big oil has invested trillions, over decades, in developing refineries tailored to imported oil that is low sulphur. (ME) Why don't the refineries retool? Because the return of investment would never happen - non renewable energy is the past? Edited March 17 by John Stone 1 Quote
John Johnston Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 1 hour ago, Hodad said: Isn't it already working? Trump is begging for help from the countries that he continuously ignores, insults and disrespects. His line yesterday was "maybe we shouldn't be here at all." He's a man of little conviction, on the verge of taking his ball and going home. Well, America had to have a toddler running their country. The thing is, many more people will die because of this babyman's temper tantrums. That is the crux of this. Quote
Nationalist Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 15 minutes ago, John Johnston said: Well, America had to have a toddler running their country. The thing is, many more people will die because of this babyman's temper tantrums. That is the crux of this. Interesting. Do ya figure Trump stole Brandon's diapers? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
paxamericana Posted March 17 Author Report Posted March 17 24 minutes ago, John Johnston said: Well, America had to have a toddler running their country. The thing is, many more people will die because of this babyman's temper tantrums. That is the crux of this. Just set aside your TDS for a minute and see what is being accomplished, destruction of Iranian influence across the region and disruption/control of the Chinese economy. 1 hour ago, John Stone said: ANY change in international trade or demand directly affect U.S. business and consumers. Don’t forget, US presidents now has a Trump card, they can stop exports at anytime. Quote
paxamericana Posted March 17 Author Report Posted March 17 2 hours ago, Hodad said: Trump is begging for help from the countries that he continuously ignores, insults and disrespects. I didn’t read that as begging, it’s giving Trump wholesale excuse for not helping them with their problems. You simply don’t understand the Stable Genius. 1 Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 16 minutes ago, paxamericana said: Just set aside your TDS for a minute and see what is being accomplished, destruction of Iranian influence across the region and disruption/control of the Chinese economy. When the TDS card comes out it means you got nothing.... which is accurate here. You seem to be forgetting about the destruction that's happening throughout the region and why Russia and China will continue to facilitate this war in the background to keep America preoccupied in the region. Also, don;t worry too much about China's economy, worry about yours first that is being impacted here. 22 minutes ago, paxamericana said: Don’t forget, US presidents now has a Trump card, they can stop exports at anytime. That's great... except for the fact the US imports significantly more than it exports. Maybe the trump card sits elsewhere now with others willing to say FU. Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 22 minutes ago, paxamericana said: I didn’t read that as begging 100% begging and grovelling. That's what happens when you've fùcked up and need help getting out of your own way. Stable genius... that is bordering on dementia right now. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 21 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: You seem to be forgetting about the destruction that's happening throughout the region and why Russia and China will continue to facilitate this war in the background to keep America preoccupied in the region. Exactly. Iran is teaching a lesson to the Arab world about what it means to be an ally of the US. Hint: Infrastructure in flames, capital flight, etc. The degree of American myopia on how global politics works is surprising to me, and I don't mean the administration here but the public sphere. Unfortunately, it will definitely impact Americans and Canadians in material ways if not worse. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
CdnFox Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 8 hours ago, paxamericana said: US shipping does not transit the straight in any meaningful quantity mmmkay. Hows your gas prices MMmmmmkay? and any hit to the world economy hurts the us. There's no shame in being an uneducated dolt But there's no reason to flaunt it either. 2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Hint: Infrastructure in flames, capital flight, etc. Hint: your economy is going to take a hit whether you like it or not, pls try not to be stupid. You can argue that it's necessary pain to go through or that it's far less disrputive than getting a nuclear weapon upside the head later if this doesn't happen, but no, you cannot argue that it doesn't impact the us economy if the straight is closed you twat. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
User Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Exactly. Iran is teaching a lesson to the Arab world about what it means to be an ally of the US. Hint: Infrastructure in flames, capital flight, etc. The degree of American myopia on how global politics works is surprising to me, and I don't mean the administration here but the public sphere. Unfortunately, it will definitely impact Americans and Canadians in material ways if not worse. What an odd view. Iran is teaching the Arab world that they were right to be worried about Iran's threat of their military power over them. Iran is lashing out because that is all they are capable of doing, and so far it appears to be backfiring on them, as our allies in the region have been more resolved to support us rather than turn their backs on us. The United States stands with our allies and has provided them with the aircraft and defense weapons they are using now to counter Iran. 1 Quote
User Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 10 hours ago, robosmith said: Iran has a lot of missiles and drones left and can likely keep the Strait closed for much longer than Trump has the patience. He needs to get out BEFORE the midterm elections because he's toast if the Dems control the House and the Senate. You people live in a fantasy world where you are here cheering on Iran just to spite Trump. Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Exactly. Iran is teaching a lesson to the Arab world about what it means to be an ally of the US. Hint: Infrastructure in flames, capital flight, etc. The degree of American myopia on how global politics works is surprising to me, and I don't mean the administration here but the public sphere. Unfortunately, it will definitely impact Americans and Canadians in material ways if not worse. Spot on.... The US will try to exit as soon as they can but Iran won't stop targeting US assets and ME allies. For every ally citizen that gets killed or asset damaged the fingers will point directly at Trump in a 'see what you get for aligning with the US who abandoned you'. This will definitely be felt in North America and everywhere else in the world long after the US puts their tail between their legs and hustles on home. Pricing for food, gas and pretty much everything has and/or will increase noticeably and not go away any time soon. We 1 Quote
User Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 1 minute ago, LinkSoul60 said: Spot on.... The US will try to exit as soon as they can but Iran won't stop targeting US assets and ME allies. For every ally citizen that gets killed or asset damaged the fingers will point directly at Trump in a 'see what you get for aligning with the US who abandoned you'. This will definitely be felt in North America and everywhere else in the world long after the US puts their tail between their legs and hustles on home. Pricing for food, gas and pretty much everything has and/or will increase noticeably and not go away any time soon. We So, your big prediction is that the US will exit and Iran will continue to attack countries in the ME and the US will just ignore that? Once again, this stuff is little more than your fantasy for what you want to see happen. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 13 hours ago, paxamericana said: Simple, it will run out of missiles and drones. Data currently shows attack frequency significantly decreased since the beginning of the war as attrition takes its toll and the expenditure of munitions exceed resupply. The Iranian strategy in a nutshell was to cause as much damage to the world’s economic engine as it could in hopes that the US would back down. Two glaring problem with that approach; 1) The US is no longer a net oil importer 2) the US economy does not rely on access to the Persian gulf. Maybe (just maybe) they also tried to cause public outrage with a false flag attack. It is a possibility. Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
LinkSoul60 Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 23 minutes ago, User said: So, your big prediction is that the US will exit and Iran will continue to attack countries in the ME and the US will just ignore that? Once again, this stuff is little more than your fantasy for what you want to see happen. Yes, that's my prediction. Trump's a self-serving weak man who is looking to get out of dodge asap and the won't be coming back to risk further embarrassment. Quote
User Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 15 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: Yes, that's my prediction. Trump's a self-serving weak man who is looking to get out of dodge asap and the won't be coming back to risk further embarrassment. OK, lets play a game, what is it you think Trump should do right now? What do you want him to do? Quote
John Stone Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 4 hours ago, paxamericana said: I didn’t read that as begging, it’s giving Trump wholesale excuse for not helping them with their problems. You simply don’t understand the Stable Genius. It's not begging - it's whining - U.S. Presidents should never whine. NEVER! Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 2 minutes ago, User said: OK, lets play a game, what is it you think Trump should do right now? What do you want him to do? I'm not interested in playing games with you, but what I think he wants to do is get the hell out of there as quickly as possible. What I want him to do is an entirely different subject.... Allies that he's pissed on have told him to f' off which is real good to see and is keeping your guy stuck between a rock and a hard place. Karma is a bìtch, and so appropriate with it's timing right now! Quote
John Stone Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 9 minutes ago, User said: OK, lets play a game, what is it you think Trump should do right now? What do you want him to do? Stop whining? Quote
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