Poilievre is even losing votes in Alberta

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

1.  The guy isn't some new hotness coming to Canadian politics.   

2.  It's the overall party that needs to wake up.  

3. He needs to because too much of the country can't stand him and that's not likely to change.   

4. He's relying on things going poorly for Carney for any turnaround.  

1. 2. 3. The Liberals did change, on the surface at least, but anti-Liberal sentiment is also high among the 'never Liberal' types.  Carney will need split-second timing to find a sweet spot between the timepoint of: the "too soon" election backlash, some point where stability is perceived and reflected in polls, when the economy starts crashing.

4. That's the safe bet though.

[LinkSoul60]

4 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

He probably is capable...but I think it's too late for him to do it and have it be believable.  The guy isn't some new hotness coming to Canadian politics.  He's a lifelong politician who's been around forever.  Everyone knows who he is and what he's about.  Even 15 years ago he was widely disliked.  Opinions on him have crystalized and he's not going to convince the middle ground he's a new man at this point. 

It's not him who needs to change.  I think he's probably a lame duck at this point.  It's the overall party that needs to wake up.  

He needs to because too much of the country can't stand him and that's not likely to change.  His strategy appears to be firming up the support he has and strengthening the margins rather than reaching out.  He's relying on things going poorly for Carney for any turnaround.  

I'm still not sure he's capable of change... he is what he is, but at some point whether it's part of your inner make-up or not you have to change unless you want to be the opposition for as long as he's there.  He's a forever politician with a very nice pension waiting for him so ride it out for as long as he can....

You're right though....at this point and failing public opinion changing drastically for Carney it doesn't matter what he does with people already making their minds up about him.  As the saying goes... "hope is not a strategy', but it's all he's got.

 

[Moonbox]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. 2. 3. The Liberals did change, on the surface at least, but anti-Liberal sentiment is also high among the 'never Liberal' types.  

That's the reason why the Liberals won the last election.  They understood the environment and changed around it.  The Conservatives keep running the same playbook back and hope that the environment changes around them.  

 

[Army Guy]

38 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I'm still not sure he's capable of change... he is what he is, but at some point whether it's part of your inner make-up or not you have to change unless you want to be the opposition for as long as he's there.  He's a forever politician with a very nice pension waiting for him so ride it out for as long as he can....

You're right though....at this point and failing public opinion changing drastically for Carney it doesn't matter what he does with people already making their minds up about him.  As the saying goes... "hope is not a strategy', but it's all he's got.

 

Just a question what changes has Carney brought to the table....that has cemented your opinion of the liberals...And PP is what he is is, the leader of the conservative party....and in the polls he is fading fast, regardless i would have thought you liberals would be dancing in the streets, cheering him on...

Liberal voters will vote liberal regardless of what he does, which brings up this question, i know you don't like questions but here it is anyways, what has he accomplished to date, i mean he made a lot of promises during his campaign has he done or completed any of them....i get it campaign promises are never kept...but one could try to get one or two done....lets examine his priorities to Canadians priorities not sure they even line up...for me that says a lot when he can't be bother to even make a few promises to make it look like he cares .... what is he doing to swing Canadians votes

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, Army Guy said:

Just a question what changes has Carney brought to the table....that has cemented your opinion of the liberals...And PP is what he is is, the leader of the conservative party....and in the polls he is fading fast, regardless i would have thought you liberals would be dancing in the streets, cheering him on...

Liberal voters will vote liberal regardless of what he does, which brings up this question, i know you don't like questions but here it is anyways, what has he accomplished to date, i mean he made a lot of promises during his campaign has he done or completed any of them....i get it campaign promises are never kept...but one could try to get one or two done....lets examine his priorities to Canadians priorities not sure they even line up...for me that says a lot when he can't be bother to even make a few promises to make it look like he cares .... what is he doing to swing Canadians votes

Carney does nothing for Canadians. 

Actual Canadians don't like Carney at all.

He's a CBC puppet like Trudeau and the news and polling results will reflect that, and CBC cultists here will parrot it. 

[Michael Hardner]

56 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

  The Conservatives keep running the same playbook back and hope that the environment changes around them.  

I'm seeing some differences, and I'm disinterested so I am sure interested voters see them.

Subtle messaging around 'working together' is what I sense here.

[Goddess]

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

They understood the environment and changed around it.

They created the environment.

Before Trump, the Libs were losing because they have a terrible track record.  The main concern was the economy, jobs, housing, healthcare.

But Carney told you to poop your pants over Trump tweets instead.  And you did it! 🤣

Good boy!  Good boy!  **scratches you behind the ears **

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

The Conservatives keep running the same playbook

Ya.

Because now we have all those same problems and a government that doesn't give a crap about any of them.

If you're going to obey every time you're told to poop your pants, I hope you at least wear a clean pair of Depends next election and vote with whatever brain cells you have left.

[Moonbox]

6 minutes ago, Goddess said:

They created the environment.

Before Trump, the Libs were losing because they have a terrible track record.  The main concern was the economy, jobs, housing, healthcare.

But Carney told you to poop your pants over Trump tweets instead.  And you did it! 🤣

Good boy!  Good boy!  **scratches you behind the ears **

Ya.

Because now we have all those same problems and a government that doesn't give a crap about any of them.

If you're going to obey every time you're told to poop your pants, I hope you at least wear a clean pair of Depends next election and vote with whatever brain cells you have left.

It's fascinating that you typed this out and thought to yourself, "Yeah.  THIS is a compelling argument."

Thanks for coming out again Karen.  

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, Moonbox said:

It's fascinating that you typed this out and thought to yourself, "Yeah.  THIS is a compelling argument."

Thanks for coming out again Karen.  

You believe what you're told to believe.

You're an NPC.  Controlled by the algorithm.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

but anti-Liberal sentiment is also high among the 'never Liberal' types. 

Its more a hate the left type.

38 minutes ago, Goddess said:

But Carney told you to poop your pants over Trump tweets instead.

Word for word? Where, when? Hate for the left makes you people say the stupidest things. Poor Poilievre doesn't stand a chance with you representing him in public. He has to pander to you which makes him say stupid shit in turn. It's a self-defeating circle.

Just about everyone of you around here is a Randy White and multiply that by hundreds if not thousands of forums and other venues where you folks pipe up.

As for the right-wing brand in general sinking ever deeper into the toilet, you should definitely thank Trump for that. No one needs to be told to be wary of it.

[LinkSoul60]

5 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Just a question what changes has Carney brought to the table....that has cemented your opinion of the liberals...And PP is what he is is, the leader of the conservative party....and in the polls he is fading fast, regardless i would have thought you liberals would be dancing in the streets, cheering him on...

Liberal voters will vote liberal regardless of what he does, which brings up this question, i know you don't like questions but here it is anyways, what has he accomplished to date, i mean he made a lot of promises during his campaign has he done or completed any of them....i get it campaign promises are never kept...but one could try to get one or two done....lets examine his priorities to Canadians priorities not sure they even line up...for me that says a lot when he can't be bother to even make a few promises to make it look like he cares .... what is he doing to swing Canadians votes

I think the obvious change he's brought is actively and not too shyly trying to diversify trade opportunity with countries beyond the US.  For sure he's brought more of a 'we're open for business' approach with both foreign countries and all provinces and pretty clear in the change with China and India in saying we'll deal with you despite your warts...we just won't get wed.  Look at the change in approach with Alberta and conventional energy whether it's popular or not. There's no cheering for Poilievre's steady fall...it's old news now.

Governments only make the rules and agreements for trade..... it's private business that are the one's who ultimately trade which is where Carney's background and network come in real handy with the investment community.  Whether that starts happening takes time so we'll see what happens with investment proponents.  He's removed some of those trade barriers with China and India that greatly benefits SK in particular but will help other provinces as well.  We saw a 17% in exports last year with larger expected this year....all the while we're getting our industrial base slammed by Trump's US tariffs.  On the Homefront he's laid the foundation with more trade opportunity between the provinces, the Build Communities strong fund and Build Canada Homes.

I'm not sure what he's doing to swing Canadian's votes...  I dunno.... putting his head down and working rather than complaining and blaming somebody else? 

[Reg Volk]

48 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I think the obvious change he's brought is actively and not too shyly trying to diversify trade opportunity with countries beyond the US.  

and he's failed. 100%.  He hasn't diversified trade at all. He's been one giant loser failure. 

[Goddess]

16 hours ago, eyeball said:

you should definitely thank Trump for that.

Ya, everything that's going wrong in Canada is Trump's fault.  What a good little NPC you are.

Looks like the NDP can be bought now, too.

The guy you voted for in your riding could be next, so your whole, "I voted NDP, you should all be thanking me" rings a bit hollow and naive.

Realistically, the only hope for the remaining 6 NDP is to negotiate for fancy titles, big raises, world travel and unlimited expense accounts, to cross to the Liberals.  And pretend they're doing it for their constituents.

[Moonbox]

17 hours ago, Goddess said:

You believe what you're told to believe.

You're an NPC.  Controlled by the algorithm.

I don't get my news from the Facebook algorithm...like you.  🙃

You aren't even trying to debate here.  You're just having a tantrum.  

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, Moonbox said:

I don't get my news from the Facebook algorithm

You keep accusing me of this like if you say it often enough, others will believe you.

I have always linked to articles from both the right and left news, rarely from Facebook, unless it was a post made directly by the person under discussion.  and that is rare.

You are lying.

3 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

You're just having a tantrum.  

I'm stating a fact.

You get your thoughts, opinions and news from CBC.  I doubt you are even interested or care about in what just came out in committee meeting yesterday about the CBC.

You're an NPC.  

You believe what you're told to believe.

[Moonbox]

6 minutes ago, Goddess said:

You keep accusing me of this like if you say it often enough, others will believe you.

How do you miss the oblivious hypocrisy of this comment, right after you said this:

17 hours ago, Goddess said:

You believe what you're told to believe.

You're an NPC.  Controlled by the algorithm.

It's crazy how little self-awareness some of you people have - especially considering we have recent examples of you citing anonymous facebook posts as "evidence" for your conspiracy theories.  🤡

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

The guy you voted for in your riding could be next, so your whole, "I voted NDP, you should all be thanking me" rings a bit hollow and naive.

I still have what I voted for, a minority government. It's what I've had for years now and you're still sucking wind.

[Goddess]

25 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I still have what I voted for, a minority government. It's what I've had for years now and you're still sucking wind.

It'll be a majority in April.

And there's a good chance your guy will cross over to save his own political a$$.  You think he gives a sh!t about YOU?

[eyeball]

20 minutes ago, Goddess said:

It'll be a majority in April.

Oh well, better never then late but it is what it is.

 

22 minutes ago, Goddess said:

And there's a good chance your guy will cross over to save his own political a$$.  You think he gives a sh!t about YOU?

So far I do yup and there's still a chance our riding will be the last bastion against a majority.

[Goddess]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So far I do yup and there's still a chance our riding will be the last bastion against a majority.

I think the last 6 people are going to flip.

Maybe not Don Davies, but I'm sure he'll use the "We can do more good over here" excuse if he does.

[eyeball]

9 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I think the last 6 people are going to flip.

Maybe not Don Davies, but I'm sure he'll use the "We can do more good over here" excuse if he does.

I think that would be really unfortunate. I hope you're wrong.

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

I think that would be really unfortunate. I hope you're wrong.

Scuttlebutt is that another of the NDP is planning on leaving soon.  So that leaves 5.

The only way they can continue gorging at the taxpayer money trough is to join the Libs.

Link:

NDP's lone Quebec MP says he's considering jump to provincial politics | CBC News

Edited March 11 by Goddess