LIBERATION OF IRAN (PERSIA) FROM NAZI FASCIST ISLAMIC REPUBLIC HAS STARTED!!

[WestCanMan]

On 3/4/2026 at 5:46 PM, cannuck said:

First of all, you have no idea how military planning is done - but as a civvy not your fault.  The only thing the Orange reality TV character could plan is his next golf game.  ANYTHING that is a military campaign has been planned in extreme detail for a number of possible scenarios for months or more likely years in advance.  You might remember in my last post I pointed out someone had to provide boots on the ground as the population is unarmed and unorganized.  Today you also might have noticed that armed and I believe uniformed ex Iranian Kurds have entered Iran from the North.  No vacuums.  No extremists.  You can bet some serious green that Kurdish commanders were at the table a very long time ago.  After the Yanks hung the Kurds out to dry at the hands of the Republican Guard they owe them a big one.

Despite the snottiness of your post, it's quite accurate.

But THE THING THAT YOU SEE AS TRUMP'S WEAKNESS IS ACTUALLY A VERY RARE SUPERPOWER. 

1. Trump knows that he's not a tactician, so he relies on tacticians to make plans and do assessments of everyone else's plans. 
2. Trump knows that he's not in that theatre, with his finger on the pulse, so he's allowing decisions to be made and military strikes to be conducted by the commanders in the field. There's no bureaucracy 5,000 miles away making battlefield decisions "within 3 business days". Battlefield decisions are being made by the people with the most intimate knowledge of what's happening, who have the most to lose, and as long as that's working it's going to continue to be a large part of the plan. It worked against islamic state and now it's working against Iran.
3. Obama never gave that level of control away. Nor did Biden. They f'd everything up themselves while more qualified people were left standing around with their thumbs up their asses. 

Every battle that Trump has overseen has been a massive success, at every level. 

It sounds like bragging, but this war is as one-sided as an angry lion fighting a one-legged rabbit, and Iran's last leg has no luck in it.

America during the Afghan withdrawal was like a sleepy puppy with a Rubik's cube.

 

"I'd rather fight an army of lions led by a sheep than an army of sheep led by a lion." - Alexander the Great.

The US army is "an army of lions with frickin' laser beams led by advanced AI."

[500channelsurfer]

On 3/4/2026 at 8:46 PM, cannuck said:

ANYTHING that is a military campaign has been planned in extreme detail for a number of possible scenarios for months or more likely years in advance. 

Did they just forget to plan for the security of the Strait of Hormuz?

[cannuck]

1 hour ago, 500channelsurfer said:

Did they just forget to plan for the security of the Strait of Hormuz?

As I implied: EVERY likely or possible scenario would have been worked through.  There would have no doubt been several variations left to select from

[eyeball]

On 3/5/2026 at 3:00 PM, 500channelsurfer said:

I don't think this is what happened in Iraq or Afghanistan. Maybe they are doing better this time?

Iranians would be taking a chance trusting it given the way America abandoned Iraq's Marsh Arabs to Saddam's tender mercies after telling them to rise up against his tyranny during the Gulf War 1.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 31 by eyeball

[John Johnston]

The only thing Trump said is actually right this time. Smart people don't like him. 

[John Johnston]

On 3/20/2026 at 5:42 PM, 500channelsurfer said:

Did they just forget to plan for the security of the Strait of Hormuz?

They have forgotten, or just did know how things work in the real world. You have a Secretary of Stupidity, err Defense playing Call of Duty with other peoples lives and acting like a 12 year old. This "Excursion" will be ongoing for years now. This is America's new Holy War. 

When you appoint a Weekend Fox News Host to run the Department of Defense... Ridiculous, all of it. 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, John Johnston said:

They have forgotten, or just did know how things work in the real world. You have a Secretary of Stupidity, err Defense playing Call of Duty with other peoples lives and acting like a 12 year old. This "Excursion" will be ongoing for years now. This is America's new Holy War. 

When you appoint a Weekend Fox News Host to run the Department of Defense... Ridiculous, all of it. 

I doubt either is true. I reailze it's very important to your personal sense of identity to hate trump and for him to be a bad person in all respects but the reality is the military people around him and many advisors aren't incompetent at all and the israelis DEFINITELY are not. 

I think that they believed they'd be able to more effectively suppress the current gov't and either trigger regime change or force a negotiation or something. Obviously i don't know precisely but they appear to have had some plan in mind and it doesn't seem to have gone off as well as they'd hoped.  Unfortunately that's always the risk with war. 

Perhaps they'd hoped they could take out more of the leadership than they did or perhaps they had reason to believe insiders would take over and that failed, who knows. But it's pretty clear that they thought that by this stage they'd be down to a political situation rather than a military one and that obviously didn't pan out 

[John Stone]

“When are you going to know when it’s over?” Kilmeade (FOX)  asked.

“When I feel it,” Trump said. “When I feel it in my bones.”

 

OMG - reminds me of a Yogi Berra-ism

'when u come to the 'y' in the road, take it' / Yogi

[John Johnston]

15 hours ago, eyeball said:

Iranians would be taking a chance trusting it given the way America abandoned Iraq's Marsh Arabs to Saddam's tender mercies after telling them to rise up against his tyranny during the Gulf War 1.

 

 

 

 

Or the Kurds in Syria during the first Trump debacle. 

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, John Stone said:

“When are you going to know when it’s over?” Kilmeade (FOX)  asked.

“When I feel it,” Trump said. “When I feel it in my bones.”

 

OMG - reminds me of a Yogi Berra-ism

'when u come to the 'y' in the road, take it' / Yogi

' They give you cash, which is almost as good as money!" 

Yeah yogi was great   

Trump says a lot of dumb things but I suspect the problem here is not that he doesn't know how he wants it to end but rather he's not sure how it's going to end. I don't think it's going the way that he wanted it to go exactly so what he's doing is keeping expectations open.

By answering the way he did then at any moment he could declare victory saying that that's what he planned all along because he can now feel it in his bones. But that's just politicians being politicians, that's kind of what they do

[Moonbox]

16 hours ago, eyeball said:

Iranians would be taking a chance trusting it given the way America abandoned Iraq's Marsh Arabs to Saddam's tender mercies after telling them to rise up against his tyranny during the Gulf War 1.

Yeah it's almost like watching thousands of Shiites get slaughtered by Saddam after being thrown under the bus by fickle US foreign policy in the 90's was something the Shiite majority next door would remember.  

33 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I don't think it's going the way that he wanted it to go exactly so what he's doing is keeping expectations open.

There's the understatement of the day..

"Didn't go the way he wanted it to" will probably be the summary of his presidency.  

[John Stone]

28 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

' They give you cash, which is almost as good as money!" 

Yeah yogi was great   

Trump says a lot of dumb things but I suspect the problem here is not that he doesn't know how he wants it to end but rather he's not sure how it's going to end. I don't think it's going the way that he wanted it to go exactly so what he's doing is keeping expectations open.

By answering the way he did then at any moment he could declare victory saying that that's what he planned all along because he can now feel it in his bones. But that's just politicians being politicians, that's kind of what they do

......... military victory is falling behind in priority to a self-proclaimed  (political) victory. 

Normally you'd think that with the so-called, 'Bully  Pulpit' the President would have all the advantage communicating - his rhetoric is wasting that advantage. 

 

[herbie]

So aside from oil prices what's been liberated so far?

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, John Stone said:

......... military victory is falling behind in priority to a self-proclaimed  (political) victory. 

 

 

Well.. not sure that's accurate.  There were always two components, the military effort and the political one.  The first is the destruction of iran's ability to make war and produce nuclear weapons and the elimination of their leadership. The second is the installation of a new leader under conditions favorable to the us. 

The first part seems to have gone fairly well by all accounts. The second part is where they're having trouble at the moment and in fairness it's by far the harder of the two to achieve.  I don't think it's a case of either or,  i think it's a case of they needed both and they haven't quite got them both yet. 

 

1 minute ago, herbie said:

So aside from oil prices what's been liberated so far?

What were you expecting to be liberated

[John Stone]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Well.. not sure that's accurate.  There were always two components, the military effort and the political one.  The first is the destruction of iran's ability to make war and produce nuclear weapons and the elimination of their leadership. The second is the installation of a new leader under conditions favorable to the us. 

The first part seems to have gone fairly well by all accounts. The second part is where they're having trouble at the moment and in fairness it's by far the harder of the two to achieve.  I don't think it's a case of either or,  i think it's a case of they needed both and they haven't quite got them both yet. 

 

What were you expecting to be liberated

............... they say that the Iranian regime is in an existential struggle .............. the same might be said for Trump. 

The Midterms cometh. tic tok

I'd argue tho that with the President the political victory is by far the most important - they say that if u repeat a lie often enough people believe it and propagate it............ and that includes major media. 

 

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, John Stone said:

.............. they say that the Iranian regime is in an existential struggle .............. the same might be said for Trump. 

I'm not sure that actually makes sense as a sentence unless you're using those words differently than they are normally used.  I mean, it's true that there's a struggle in iran if that's what you mean by existential. 

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The Midterms cometh. tic tok

True enough. 

9 minutes ago, John Stone said:

I'd argue tho that with the President the political victory is by far the most important

I don't think you'd get one without the other in this case.  But there's no doubt that if the war isn't over soon there will be a very serious political cost.  It will begin to impart inflationary pressures, we're just going into the farmer's growing season, oil prices will continue to rise and god help us AND his political fortunes if he winds up having to commit troops. 

If he can't wrap this up favorably by the end of April, it's going to start to be a bit of an albatross. 

 

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, John Stone said:

I'd argue tho that with the President the political victory is by far the most important - they say that if u repeat a lie often enough people believe it and propagate it............ and that includes major media. 

It's certainly true with the MAGA clown parade.  There's very little that Orange Baboon could do that they wouldn't be tripping over themselves to defend. 

[500channelsurfer]

19 hours ago, eyeball said:

Iranians would be taking a chance trusting it given the way America abandoned Iraq's Marsh Arabs to Saddam's tender mercies after telling them to rise up against his tyranny during the Gulf War 1.

Yes, I agree 100%. USA has gone into ME countries, sometimes staying for much shorter than expected and not changing regime; and then other times USA goes in and stays for far too long, and after or as they leave the regime reverts back or similar.

When weakening the current regime, pockets of resistance or opposition can become problematic in more ways than one.

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I think that they believed they'd be able to more effectively suppress the current gov't and either trigger regime change or force a negotiation or something. ...  they'd hoped they could take out more of the leadership 

Yes, agree 100%

[eyeball]

32 minutes ago, 500channelsurfer said:

Yes, I agree 100%. USA has gone into ME countries, sometimes staying for much shorter than expected and not changing regime; and then other times USA goes in and stays for far too long, and after or as they leave the regime reverts back or similar.

Whatever they do over there just keeps making things worse.

If the world was a China shop, America would be the bull.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

It's certainly true with the MAGA clown parade.  There's very little that Orange Baboon could do that they wouldn't be tripping over themselves to defend. 

And he could cure cancer and your ilk would still be whining and crying about him. Cultists gonna cult

[herbie]

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

What were you expecting to be liberated

Gee it says the people of Iran are being liberated.Sure don't look like it.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Gee it says the people of Iran are being liberated.Sure don't look like it.

The government that killed tens of thousands of them was slaughtered. I don't recall reading about anything saying that they deliberated just that the current government regime was unacceptable and would not be allowed to kill its own people. They're dead now so...

[John Stone]

16 hours ago, Moonbox said:

It's certainly true with the MAGA clown parade.  There's very little that Orange Baboon could do that they wouldn't be tripping over themselves to defend. 

......... arguably Hildebeest would label them, 'deplorables'! lol

[CITIZEN_2015]

On 3/31/2026 at 8:09 PM, herbie said:

Gee it says the people of Iran are being liberated.Sure don't look like it.

Attacked have been very targeted on leaders and military and not on civilians. So far the regime is claiming that in over 30 days of bombing campaign by Israel and US about 1500 civilians have been killed which is very unfortunate now considering that the regime of mullahs massacred over 50,000 in less than 30 hours by comparison you see why Iranians inside out are asking for the war to continue till this f*cking Islamic murderous regime is fallen as they prefer death with dignity (in the very unlikely scenario that they die from bombardment) to slow torturous death (raped, tortured, executed, massacred) by the regime which is a certainty.

[herbie]

Looks like liberating the Iranian public has been abandoned and the whole fiasco has become Operation Save Face for Donny Diaper Sniper.