Reg Volk Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 These are not serious people. Bruce Arthur unfortunately is either a true believer, or being paid to keep up the anti-US propaganda. What a total fool, and what total fools the Elbows Up losers are. Quote As Democrat and Liberal governments fall, Republicans and Conservatives come to the rescue.
Reg Volk Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 Quote As Democrat and Liberal governments fall, Republicans and Conservatives come to the rescue.
Reg Volk Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 Quote As Democrat and Liberal governments fall, Republicans and Conservatives come to the rescue.
BeaverFever Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 When Will the War End? Trump’s Responses Are All Over the Place. Now 11 days into an expanding military campaign, President Trump and his officials have given conflicting indications on how long the United States intends the war to last. Since the United States and Israel launched their assault on Iran on Feb. 28, President Trump has given conflicting indications on how long it will continue. After he said near the outset of the war that it could last “four to five weeks,” the president and members of his administration have given shifting statements on the timeline and the goals for the war. They have at times suggested that the United States was striving to topple Iran’s government and achieve an “unconditional surrender” and will continue an assault as long as it takes. At others, Mr. Trump and his officials have delivered the message that the war had already succeeded in its objective of decimating Iran’s military. That has left wide-open the possibilities for how the conflict with Iran could wind down and how long it will take, even as some in his administration try to assure the public that the United States will not be drawn into another long war in the Middle East. Here’s a look at officials’ often contradictory statements since the war began. March 1 President Trump ‘We intended four to five weeks.’ In an interview with The New York Times the day after the initial strikes on Iran, Mr. Trump already had contradictory visions of how the war would pan out. He said that the United States and Israel intended to continue the assault for about a month, and predicted that it “won’t be difficult.” But he did not seem to have decided on what changes among Iran’s government he would consider a victory. March 2 Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth ‘This is not Iraq. This is not endless.’ During a news conference at the Pentagon last week with Gen. Dan Caine, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mr. Hegseth suggested the campaign was being kept to a smaller scope compared with the “nation-building quagmire” of past American interventions in the Middle East. He suggested this campaign could take anywhere from two to eight weeks, not settling on a number. March 2 Gen. Dan Caine ‘This is not a single overnight operation.’ At the same news conference, General Caine dismissed any suggestion that the U.S. campaign in Iran might mirror the one in Venezuela earlier this year and said that the Pentagon’s military objectives would “take some time to achieve.” He added, “We expect to take additional losses.” March 2 President Trump ‘Whatever the time is, it’s OK, whatever it takes.’ As his defense secretary assured the United States would not be dragged into a long conflict, Mr. Trump said the United States was “substantially ahead of our time projections,” which had put the campaign at four to five weeks. But he added that the United States had the capability “to go far longer than that.” March 6 President Trump ‘There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER!’ Six days into the bombing campaign, Mr. Trump took to Truth Social to demand that Iran capitulate and said that the United States and its allies would “work tirelessly to bring Iran back from the brink of destruction, making it economically bigger, better, and stronger than ever before.” That appeared to shift the timeline further, into both regime change and rebuilding Iran, even as its current leaders have expressed defiance and expanded the battlefield by striking American bases across the Middle East. March 6 Karoline Leavitt ‘The achievable objectives of Operation Epic Fury we expect to last about four to six weeks.’ Later that day, Ms. Leavitt, the White House press secretary, was asked what the president would consider a surrender. She declined to give a timeline beyond the plan she said the president had laid out. But she seemed to soften his demand for a surrender, saying it would “essentially” occur when Mr. Trump concluded his war objectives had been met. March 7 President Trump ‘This is a short excursion.’ After attending the dignified transfer of six American service members who were killed when Iran struck a command center in Kuwait, Mr. Trump suggested to reporters that the United States was achieving its military objectives. “We’re winning the war by a lot,” he said. “We decimated their whole evil empire.” Asked if he was worried about high gas prices, which have risen nearly 17 percent since the war began, he said he was not and that the campaign would be “short.” March 9 President Trump ‘The war is very complete, pretty much.’ U.S. markets rebounded at the start of this week after Mr. Trump told CBS News that the war was “very complete, pretty much” and “very far ahead of schedule.” But after markets closed, in remarks to Republican lawmakers gathered for a retreat in Florida and in a news conference afterward, he left open the possibility of more comprehensive aims, even as he said the war would end “soon, very soon.” “We go forward more determined than ever to achieve ultimate victory that will end this long-running danger once and for all,” he said. March 10 Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth ‘It’s not for me to posit whether it’s the beginning, the middle or the end.’ At a news conference on Tuesday with General Caine, Mr. Hegseth joined others in the administration in asserting that Mr. Trump alone was in charge of the timeline. “He gets to control the throttle,” Mr. Hegseth said, though he added, “I want the American people to understand is this is not endless. It’s not protracted.” March 10 Karoline Leavitt ‘President Trump will determine when Iran is in a place of unconditional surrender.’ Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, the press secretary again appeared to qualify Mr. Trump’s demand of “unconditional surrender.” “When President Trump says that Iran is in a place of unconditional surrender, he’s not claiming the Iranian regime is going to come out and say that themselves,” Ms. Leavitt said. She added that Mr. Trump would decide when Iran no longer posed “a credible and direct threat.” https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/10/us/politics/trump-iran-war-how-long-timeline.html 1 Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 4 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: “When President Trump says that Iran is in a place of unconditional surrender, he’s not claiming the Iranian regime is going to come out and say that themselves,” Ms. Leavitt said. She added that Mr. Trump would decide when Iran no longer posed “a credible and direct threat.” In other words... when him and his equally inept Secretary of War decide they've had enough fun blowing people and things up with those really cool weapons they have to play with. Both appear to take far too much pleasure in the amount of destruction they're causing... Quote
BeaverFever Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 7 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: In other words... when him and his equally inept Secretary of War decide they've had enough fun blowing people and things up with those really cool weapons they have to play with. Both appear to take far too much pleasure in the amount of destruction they're causing... What hilarious is that with all the attacks he’s carried out on various countries, not to mention the embargo on Cuba (who is next on his attack list) and his threats to forcibly annex Greenland he is the most warmongering president in decades. The obvious tell that he wasn’t the “peace president” was when he renamed the Dept of Defense the Department of War despite having run for office as the supposed “peace president” who only wanted Ukraine to surrender to Russia because he believes no human life should be sacrificed for any cause. And now all the mindless MAGA sheep who foolishly believed that obviously false nonsense are cheering on as he aimlessly kills people without any kind of plan or strategy, just hoping for something to happen that he claim as a victory. Meanwhile the juvenile “secretary of war” rocks out to the death and carnage like a coked-out teenager. The difference between a Nobel Peace Prize and a FIFA Peace Prize. 2 Quote
CdnFox Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 46 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: In other words... when him and his equally inept Secretary of War decide they've had enough fun blowing people and things up with those really cool weapons they have to play with. Both appear to take far too much pleasure in the amount of destruction they're causing... So you're saying you're pro terrorist and rooting for the bad guys Fair enough 25 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: What hilarious is that with all the attacks he’s carried out on various countries, not to mention the embargo on Cuba (who is next on his attack list) and his threats to forcibly annex Greenland he is the most warmongering president in decades. Not really. So far this is his only war. He arrested an Illegitimate venezuelan politician. That's not actually a war. He never attacked Greenland so that's not a war. He inherited ukraine and the Israeli conflict So far he's actually pretty small in the war department. Of course it will depend on how long this one goes on for. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 Oh my...how long will the war last...so much concern...what is taking Trump so damn long ? Let's compare with another recent American president's war for "regime change": Quote AI Overview The U.S.-led NATO military intervention in Libya authorized by President Obama in 2011 lasted for approximately seven months. Key details regarding the duration and scope include: • Start Date: March 19, 2011, with Operation Odyssey Dawn. • End Date: October 31, 2011, when NATO officially ended its mandate following the death of Muammar Gaddafi. • Nature of Conflict: While the administration initially suggested the involvement would last "days, not weeks," the air campaign continued for over seven months. • Aftermath: Although the 2011 NATO mission ended in October, Libya subsequently entered a period of continued instability and a second civil war (2014–2020). • President Obama later identified the failure to plan for the aftermath of Gaddafi's ouster as the "worst mistake" of his presidency. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 (edited) 7 hours ago, CdnFox said: That is not what you said at all, Yes it is, on Oct 8th or 9th in 2023. 7 hours ago, CdnFox said: You said that it was fine to wipe out hamas but that unless they destroyed the iranian regime it was just 'mowing the grass'. Remember? Yup, I sure do. 7 hours ago, CdnFox said: So, now they're doing it! Yay right?!?! No, they're either wiping out Iran's nukes, or changing its regime, or getting back at them for causing Trump to be cheated, or because Israel said so or whatever pops into Trump's silly head. 7 hours ago, CdnFox said: Why would it be late now? Do you have some intel that says iran was going to stop funding these terror groups? Nope, but I can see that Trump and Netanyahu both desperately need to wag a dog at the moment. 7 hours ago, CdnFox said: Your whole point was that even if israel won and hamas was all but dead iran would fund them to rebuild. Well... now iran can't!! Yay right?!! No, I never said at all. What I said is that so long as Israel continues to violently oppress, dispossess and subjugate Palestinians they will face violent resistance. In any case Iran will be even more of a problem as a chaotic failed state. 7 hours ago, CdnFox said: Who knew trump would do exactly what you wanted him to do and take out the iranian regime. I'm sure you'll praise him for doing what you suggested right? You're clearly retarded. 7 hours ago, CdnFox said: And you should really do something about those fleas. Edited March 10 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 19 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Oh my...how long will the war last...so much concern...what is taking Trump so damn long ? Let's compare with another recent American president's war for "regime change": Sure, who can forget this classic? 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 7 minutes ago, eyeball said: Sure, who can forget this classic? Right...and Iran is 4X the size of Iraq with 2X the population. It's been 47 years in the making...so what is the hurry ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Right...and Iran is 4X the size of Iraq with 2X the population. It's been 47 years in the making...so what is the hurry ? Exactly. 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 37 minutes ago, eyeball said: Yes it is, on Oct 8th or 9th in 2023. Nope, those were not the only dates you discussed it. And evne then that's not really what you said if you post your whole quotes. So trump is doing what you said should be done and you're,,,, unhappy? Were you lying? Or just hate trump so much you can't admit he's doing what you wanted him to? 37 minutes ago, eyeball said: Nope, but I can see that Trump and Netanyahu both desperately need to wag a dog at the moment. So you agree then that it's not actually a bit late. And you're feeling uncomforable about that. 37 minutes ago, eyeball said: No, I never said at all. What I said is that so long as Israel continues to violently oppress, dispossess and subjugate Palestinians they will face violent resistance. You absolutely just say it. And more than once. Which is why I'm bringing it up now. It's hilarious to watch you squirm when your own statements get thrown in your face later just because you didn't like who did it You're such a hypocrite Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: So far this is his only war. What war? The last war the US officially declared on anyone was back in WW2. Everything since, has been little more than some 'action', an exercise in 'war powers' or some cobbled up 'authorization' to kill people and blow shit up. And while the US has declared war against only 10 different countries in its history, its declared dozens of wars on all sorts of social, economic, and political issues at home. The whole country is kind of weird that way. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 7 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Nope, those were not the only dates you discussed it. They would most certainly have been the time to give it some plausible credibility. There may have been an occasional time following that, but that was then. 11 minutes ago, CdnFox said: And evne then that's not really what you said if you post your whole quotes. Well, why don't you post them so we'll all know WTF your talking about. 13 minutes ago, CdnFox said: So trump is doing what you said should be done and you're,,,, unhappy? No. You're not paying attention. I'm entertained at the spectacle he keeps making of himself and everything he touches. 25 minutes ago, CdnFox said: So you agree then that it's not actually a bit late. And you're feeling uncomforable about that. I'm simply saying it's a little late to be taken sincerely or credibly. I mean sure, stopping Iran from sponsoring terror is on a growing list of excuses but its getting pretty mundane and old. Trump would probably get more traction if he said the US is going to make Iran woke. Which ironically enough is pretty much exactly what it needs. 32 minutes ago, CdnFox said: You absolutely just say it. And more than once. That so long as Israel continues to violently oppress, dispossess and subjugate Palestinians they will face violent resistance? Yes you're right I've said this several times. It is what it is. 38 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Which is why I'm bringing it up now. It's hilarious to watch you squirm when your own statements get thrown in your face later just because you didn't like who did it You mean your statements not mine. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
LinkSoul60 Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 5 hours ago, CdnFox said: So you're saying you're pro terrorist and rooting for the bad guys Fair enough Only in your mind would you interpret that from my comment.... It doesn't take much to amuse you does it. Quote
CdnFox Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 14 hours ago, eyeball said: What war? The last war the US officially declared on anyone was back in WW2 When did I ever use the phrase "officially declared"? Do you need me to post some dictionary references so that you can understand that not all wars are declared wars? I realize you've got the english comprehension skills of a fifth grader but surely even you understand that you do not need to declare war for something to be a war 14 hours ago, eyeball said: Everything since, has been little more than some 'action', an exercise in 'war powers' or some cobbled up 'authorization' to kill people and blow shit up. No, sorry but it's a war. Every reasonable person refers to these large conflicts as a war. We had the Afghan Wars we have the Iraq War even the US government gave up trying to call Vietnam a police action and admitted it was a war I was afraid it would come to this. ONCE AGAIN i'm forced to teach you basic english skills No, a formal declaration of war is not required for a conflict to be considered a war under modern international law. Actual, armed hostilities (an "armed conflict") are sufficient to constitute a state of war, regardless of whether it is officially declared. Declarations have been obsolete since 1945. Do you have to declare war for a conflict to be considered a war? - Google Search "DERP!! WHAT WAR?!? ME NO SEE WAR!!!" Don't make me post the dog chasing its tail meme again Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CdnFox Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 (edited) 14 hours ago, eyeball said: They would most certainly have been the time to give it some plausible credibility. There may have been an occasional time following that, but that was then. Well, why don't you post them so we'll all know WTF your talking about. No. You're not paying attention. I'm entertained at the spectacle he keeps making of himself and everything he touches. I'm simply saying it's a little late to be taken sincerely or credibly. I mean sure, stopping Iran from sponsoring terror is on a growing list of excuses but its getting pretty mundane and old. Trump would probably get more traction if he said the US is going to make Iran woke. Which ironically enough is pretty much exactly what it needs. That so long as Israel continues to violently oppress, dispossess and subjugate Palestinians they will face violent resistance? Yes you're right I've said this several times. It is what it is. You mean your statements not mine. Wow, I can always tell you're having a really bad day and are really emotionally hurt when you have to reply to me multiple times in a row and reuse the same memes So you admit that you said that this is what they should do, and that you continue to say that for a while, and now you're trying to say that somehow everything has changed. But you can't explain how everything has changed and everything's actually exactly the same. And it wasn't that long ago that you mentioned taking out Iran If you can't explain how things have changed and everything still the same then the only thing has changed is they actually did what you said they should and you're really angry because it's trump Which would make you a lying piece of shit hypocrite 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I just love rubbing your nose in the fact that that's who you are on a regular basis 14 hours ago, eyeball said: No. You're not paying attention. But i am , which is why you're story keeps changing. WHEEEE LOOK AT YOU GO!!!! 14 hours ago, eyeball said: I'm simply saying it's a little late to be taken sincerely or credibly. What you're simply saying is nothing has changed and they're doing exactly what Next slower you said they should do but now it's trump doing it so you're angry You said if anyone is interested in peace in the middle east and a permanently and the conflict the way to do it would be to take out the Iranian regime. That's what trump is doing 14 hours ago, eyeball said: You mean your statements not mine. Edited March 11 by CdnFox Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
BeaverFever Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 19 hours ago, CdnFox said: So you're saying you're pro terrorist and rooting for the bad guys Fair enough Not really. So far this is his only war. He arrested an Illegitimate venezuelan politician. That's not actually a war. He never attacked Greenland so that's not a war. He inherited ukraine and the Israeli conflict So far he's actually pretty small in the war department. Of course it will depend on how long this one goes on for. He carried out attacks on Venezuela, and a previous one on Iran, and numerous airstrikes against various groups around the world, most of which are pretty normal for USA. And his embargo on cuba and threats of forceful annexation of Greenland count They are destabilizing acts of aggression While the odd airstrike especially against terrorists is pretty much normal for any IS President, MAGA gaslighting tried to pretend this was bloodthirsty warmongering when it happened under Obama and Biden especially when it resulted in collateral damage. So for someone who campaigned on portraying his opponents as bloodthirsty warmongers and as a peace president who would avoid foreign wars and hilariously thinks he deserves the Nobel Peace prize thos is massive hypocrisy Quote
CdnFox Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 Just now, BeaverFever said: He carried out attacks on Venezuela, and a previous one on Iran, and numerous airstrikes against various groups around the world, most of which are pretty normal for USA. A two-way conflict is a war arguably but what you're talking about isn't a war. You drop one bomb on somebody it's not a war. You going and arrest a guy it's not a war. I think we can both agree it would be childish to pursue that sort of semantics. The current Iran conflict is a war that you would be absolutely 100% correct to say that he started that war. But the rest of it really isn't a war and vast majority of people understand that. And no, a threat is not a war nor is an embargo. Both could lead to war but they are not war. You were going to argue that you would say he started world war 3 because of the tariffs. You're engaging in pure hyperbole at this point. You might be able to convince yourself but you're not going to convince any other rational person is certainly not his supporters that embargoing Cuba is a war. I ran as a legitimate war and if you want to criticize him for starting wars you can talk about that and whether or not that should have happened or there are other ways to handle it but that's pretty much the only war you've got right now Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
BeaverFever Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 17 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Let's compare with another recent American president's war for "regime change": Except that campaign was a UN-sanctioned reaction to an event that unfolded in real time. Trump’s campaign was a 100% war of choice based on longstanding grievances and desires, not a reaction to event amd yet he didn’t campaign on it or even get approval from Congress much less the international community. 16 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Right...and Iran is 4X the size of Iraq with 2X the population. It's been 47 years in the making...so what is the hurry ? Tell that to Trump, he keeps giving conflicting answers about when it will end and what the objective is. He said 4-5 weeks then said as ling a sit takes them said it’s already done. He has no plan or objective in Iran and therefore no idea how long it the war will take to complete Quote
eyeball Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 33 minutes ago, CdnFox said: A two-way conflict is a war arguably but what you're talking about isn't a war. You drop one bomb on somebody it's not a war. You going and arrest a guy it's not a war. I think we can both agree it would be childish to pursue that sort of semantics. LMAO! Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 14 minutes ago, eyeball said: LMAO! I appreciate your surrender Looks like I'm educating all the lefties on what is and isn't a war today. It doesn't need to be a declared war to be a war. But dropping one bomb on somebody is not a war. Seriously how are you guys having this much trouble with this simple concept? Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Reg Volk Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 Quote As Democrat and Liberal governments fall, Republicans and Conservatives come to the rescue.
eyeball Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Looks like I'm educating all the lefties on what is and isn't a war today. Mission Accomplished? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
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