Politics1990 Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 (edited) 42 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Does lying about it somehow make you feel better? not a lie 2 hours ago, Deluge said: 1. Insane. Deport ALL illegal aliens and start a line in Mexico. lol even the oklahoma govenor (major republican) said deporting every one isn't what americans want. good luck to the south if they did that no one would be working the crop fields and construction Edited January 27 by Politics1990 Quote
Hodad Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 5 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: You know he wasn't planning to use that on protestors. He clearly wasn't planning to use it on anyone. That would have been the moment, but instead he left it holstered--even while they beat him. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 3 minutes ago, Hodad said: He clearly wasn't planning to use it on anyone. That would have been the moment, but instead he left it holstered--even while they beat him. Yeah. Why didn't he just disclose it? Why did he reach for it? Why did he fight? Hes a terrorist, that's why. Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
Hodad Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 3 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: Officers were dealing with a woman that crossed the street to assault them. He got in the way. You must mean the woman the ICE agent crossed the street to violently shove to the ground. She was just filming. Quote
Hodad Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 1 minute ago, gatomontes99 said: Yeah. Why didn't he just disclose it? Why did he reach for it? Why did he fight? Hes a terrorist, that's why. I guess to fascists anyone filming then must be a terrorist, because he didn't attack them in any way, shape or form. You guys are just full fascist at this point. Anyone who resists the state, even non-violently, is a "terrorist." GTFO Quote
Politics1990 Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 Just now, Hodad said: I guess to fascists anyone filming then must be a terrorist, because he didn't attack them in any way, shape or form. You guys are just full fascist at this point. Anyone who resists the state, even non-violently, is a "terrorist." GTFO its sad isn't it calling him a terrorist .. the dude did more good at the hospital in one week then most of the no lifes on this forum did in there adult life . 1 Quote
eyeball Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 2 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: Why did he reach for it? There is nothing in the public record that indicates he reached for it. Maybe the body-cams worn by Pretti's killers will show something. You can live in hope. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
ironstone Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 2 hours ago, Politics1990 said: been multiple times they stopped people who is us citizens demanding id and papers clearly they don't know who they looking for either half the time. even stopped a off duty police officer lol I couldn't say exactly how ICE works step by step when they're looking for an individual, but when they do find him it's not at all unreasonable for them to want ID. There are actually anti-ICE nutjobs now going around and doing exactly that, demanding to see ID from anyone they suspect to be working for ICE. The difference couldn't be clearer, ICE need to ID suspects they're looking for, while anti-ICE want to see ID in order to protect the criminals. Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
CdnFox Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 17 minutes ago, Politics1990 said: not a lie Absolutely a lie. And you're weird insistence and use of dramatic language suggests that you're aware of this. So the question is why do you feel the need to lie. Is it a requirement to support your ideology that this be more tragic than it needs to be or something? Do you feel that you would not be able to criticize this situation unless you used emotionally charged language like that? Are you feeling that it would be emotionally painful in order to use more accurate less emotionally charged language because it might suggest that ice aren't the 'evil nazi barbarian orc destroyers' that some on the left like to paint them as? Murder is the premeditated intent to kill a man without lawful excuse. So far there's no evidence that that's what happened here. The evidence is in fact that there was lawful excuse and at worst an error may have occurred because one officer was disarming the man while the other officer thought he still had a gun. But there was a gun. So it's clearly not murder. It's either a justifiable homicide entirely or a justifiable homicide which is unfortunate because it was based on erroneous information. which would make it sad, POOOOOSSSSIBLY inch towards reckless homicide or manslaughter, but not get anywhere near murder. 8 minutes ago, Politics1990 said: its sad isn't it calling him a terrorist .. the dude did more good at the hospital in one week then most of the no lifes on this forum did in there adult life . You don't know the man and you don't know any of the other people here Yet you're sure that you're statement is true That's strongly points to the fact that you believe in fantasy more than reality and in fiction more than facts Why would anyone take you seriously? I mean honestly how do you know that none of the posters here are nurses as well? Or doctors or other medical professionals? Or that they don't contribute to society in a meaningful way? Once again you have to dehumanize your opponents in order to make your argument Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
gatomontes99 Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 11 minutes ago, Hodad said: You must mean the woman the ICE agent crossed the street to violently shove to the ground. She was just filming. Uh no. She crossed the street to accost the ICE agents. The ICE agents told them to watch out for the car. Then pushed them back to the curb. When she tried to come at him again is when she got pushed down. Pretti gets in the way and that is when he gets pushed around. That is when he starts to resist and get violent. Some think he reached on the gun here: And some here: Wither way, he may have tried to grab it. Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
Politics1990 Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 6 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Absolutely a lie. And you're weird insistence and use of dramatic language suggests that you're aware of this. So the question is why do you feel the need to lie. Is it a requirement to support your ideology that this be more tragic than it needs to be or something? Do you feel that you would not be able to criticize this situation unless you used emotionally charged language like that? Are you feeling that it would be emotionally painful in order to use more accurate less emotionally charged language because it might suggest that ice aren't the 'evil nazi barbarian orc destroyers' that some on the left like to paint them as? Murder is the premeditated intent to kill a man without lawful excuse. So far there's no evidence that that's what happened here. The evidence is in fact that there was lawful excuse and at worst an error may have occurred because one officer was disarming the man while the other officer thought he still had a gun. But there was a gun. So it's clearly not murder. It's either a justifiable homicide entirely or a justifiable homicide which is unfortunate because it was based on erroneous information. which would make it sad, POOOOOSSSSIBLY inch towards reckless homicide or manslaughter, but not get anywhere near murder. You don't know the man and you don't know any of the other people here Yet you're sure that you're statement is true That's strongly points to the fact that you believe in fantasy more than reality and in fiction more than facts Why would anyone take you seriously? I mean honestly how do you know that none of the posters here are nurses as well? Or doctors or other medical professionals? Or that they don't contribute to society in a meaningful way? Once again you have to dehumanize your opponents in order to make your argument 😆 trash from you like usual Quote
gatomontes99 Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 17 minutes ago, Hodad said: I guess to fascists anyone filming then must be a terrorist, because he didn't attack them in any way, shape or form. You guys are just full fascist at this point. Anyone who resists the state, even non-violently, is a "terrorist." GTFO Dude was violent. There were a agents trying to subdue him and it took bullets to make it happen. Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
Politics1990 Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 now bovino is losing his access to social media accounts LOL. this dude is cooked Quote
gatomontes99 Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 17 minutes ago, Politics1990 said: its sad isn't it calling him a terrorist .. the dude did more good at the hospital in one week then most of the no lifes on this forum did in there adult life . He was active in the Signal chat. He was heavily into tracking and tormenting ICE. He carried a weapon with plenty of ammo. His own parents begged him not to do something stupid. That means they didn't just think he was capable, they assumed it was likely. He was using violence and intimidation to force a political goal onbthe people he attacked. That is terrorism. He, and all the other "protestors" are terrorists. Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
Hodad Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 5 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: Uh no. She crossed the street to accost the ICE agents. The ICE agents told them to watch out for the car. Then pushed them back to the curb. When she tried to come at him again is when she got pushed down. Pretti gets in the way and that is when he gets pushed around. That is when he starts to resist and get violent. Some think he reached on the gun here: And some here: Wither way, he may have tried to grab it. Again, wildly creative imagination you've got. You post video of ICE violently shoving a woman who was filming, and then pretend that she assaulted them. Jeebus. Quote
Politics1990 Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 (edited) 5 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: He was active in the Signal chat. He was heavily into tracking and tormenting ICE. He carried a weapon with plenty of ammo. His own parents begged him not to do something stupid. That means they didn't just think he was capable, they assumed it was likely. He was using violence and intimidation to force a political goal onbthe people he attacked. That is terrorism. He, and all the other "protestors" are terrorists. nonsense lol. people like you spreading false info are the ones who seriously need a punch in the face . no one at that protest was a terrorist . 3 minutes ago, Hodad said: Again, wildly creative imagination you've got. You post video of ICE violently shoving a woman who was filming, and then pretend that she assaulted them. Jeebus. they live in they own little mindspace Edited January 27 by Politics1990 Quote
Hodad Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 (edited) 8 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: Dude was violent. There were a agents trying to subdue him and it took bullets to make it happen. That's complete bullshit. He could have attacked ICE. Instead he just tried to shield the woman they assaulted. Then they sprayed him, took him down, beat him, removed his holstered weapon and shot him in the back. That's all on video, no imagination required. Edited January 27 by Hodad 1 Quote
robosmith Posted January 27 Author Report Posted January 27 3 hours ago, ironstone said: I've asked this before, how do the protesters know who ICE is looking for at any given time? How can they possibly be certain that the person or persons ICE is looking for have no criminal convictions? (Apart from the fact that entering the country illegally is already a crime) How can they possibly know? IF they live in their community and know the person well. Quote
ironstone Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 2 minutes ago, robosmith said: IF they live in their community and know the person well. Sounds like more nonsense. The anti-ICE activists seem to be well funded and organized but it's extremely doubtful that they know in advance the names of those that ICE are tracking down. Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
gatomontes99 Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 25 minutes ago, Hodad said: Again, wildly creative imagination you've got. You post video of ICE violently shoving a woman who was filming, and then pretend that she assaulted them. Jeebus. I said accost. Do you not know the difference between accost and assault? Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
gatomontes99 Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 25 minutes ago, Politics1990 said: nonsense lol. people like you spreading false info are the ones who seriously need a punch in the face . no one at that protest was a terrorist . Nonsense? Try reality: "According to Jeanne Massey, a neighbor, Pretti was part of a “Signal ICE” group chat of volunteers who organized a sophisticated operation to track ICE activity in real time and alert each other when agents were in the area. " Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
gatomontes99 Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 32 minutes ago, Hodad said: That's complete bullshit. He could have attacked ICE. Instead he just tried to shield the woman they assaulted. Aka inteferred with a federal law enforcement officers. 33 minutes ago, Hodad said: Then they sprayed him, took him down, beat him, removed his holstered weapon and shot him in the back. That's all on video, no imagination required. Because he resisted and had a weapon. If he had just followed their instructions, at most he would have gotten a civil disobedience ticket. Instead, he fought back and now he is dead. He is a dumbass terrorist. Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
robosmith Posted January 27 Author Report Posted January 27 13 minutes ago, ironstone said: Sounds like more nonsense. The anti-ICE activists seem to be well funded and organized but it's extremely doubtful that they know in advance the names of those that ICE are tracking down. Because you don't know that ICE is canvassing the neighborhoods intimidating people to cooperate? LMAO Quote
Politics1990 Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 2 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: Nonsense? Try reality: "According to Jeanne Massey, a neighbor, Pretti was part of a “Signal ICE” group chat of volunteers who organized a sophisticated operation to track ICE activity in real time and alert each other when agents were in the area. " nope i seen the video enough times to know what happened Quote
gatomontes99 Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 2 minutes ago, Politics1990 said: nope i seen the video enough times to know what happened Not a video. It is a quote. He was heavily into tracking ICE and Flanigan's Signal chat. Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
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