ICE Finally Fires Back!

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

What do you call this?

 

 

Holy shit. I didn't realize that the Biden administration invented the concept of federated government. Super good find.

Or, just another example of the laws being followed. The states are not responsible for borders or border enforcement. Full stop. All states. Texas is not a special snowflake.

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[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, Hodad said:

The states are not responsible for borders or border enforcement. Full stop. All states.

The Supreme Court, in Jan. 2024, agreed with you.

But the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals, in Nov. 2024, ruled the opposite until the matter is settled by the courts.

6 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Texas is not a special snowflake.

No.  But IT IS a state with a large border that illegals cross regularly.  I guess that's why we don't have the can-we-put-up-razor wire-or-not issue in, like.....Kansas.

The issue was that, although Texas had a right to secure its own borders and arrest people for state crimes (like trespassing), the Biden administration said the razor wire impeded border officials from doing their jobs.

 

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

until the matter is settled by the courts.

It will be interesting.  The Biden government wanted open borders and most border states did not.

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

No.  But IT IS a state with a large border that illegals cross regularly.  I guess that's why we don't have the can-we-put-up-razor wire-or-not issue in, like.....Kansas.

You're talking over his head. 

Hodad doesn't know Texas from Teotijuacan.

Just tell him that AOC wants to surround the pyramids in Nebraska with razor wire and he'll agree to it. Then tell him Nebraska is a county in Southern Texas. Boom! Done deal. 

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, Goddess said:

It will be interesting.  The Biden government wanted open borders and most border states did not.

Most non-border states loved the idea of a Texas being completely flooded by illegals, and then when illegals were trucked from Texas to their state, they all hated illegals.

I heard that the Dems started using the N word again, with their beloved hard "r", and revived some of their KKK chapters.

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, Venandi said:

 Stop the doxing then, if progressives would display the same integrity and decency they demand of others the face coverings wouldn't even be a thing now.

You seem surprised... at the beginning of the doxing craze you were warned this would be the predictable result of terrorizing wives and harassing children. As a result I find your manufactured outrage breathtaking... for a group of people who labeled half of the country too stupid to vote in another thread your ability to anticipate outcomes strikes me as sadly lacking. There was no other likely outcome here.

Is this the sort of bad behaviour on anonymous forums you referred to above?

This is just nonsense. Pure nonsense. 

A. This is the first example of doxing that I can find. "In 1997, a website known at the time as Nurnberg Files doxxed a list of abortion providers’ personal information as a hit list intended for anti-abortion activists. This was one of the first doxing campaigns in the US."   -- It also happened recently with the Sandy Hook parents and the gamergate, so stop pretending this is somehow the domain of "the left."

B. Every police officer in the country, AFAIK, must identify themselves and even produce a badge number when requested. Are they not at the exact same risk? Is it because they are of the community and tasked to serve and protect? -- As opposed to masked thugs abducting people off the street --not with warrants or as the outcome of an investigation, but literally just because of how the "look."

Should all police be the secret police? Trump's Tonton Macoutes? If some masked thug drags you off the street you have no right to resist, nor any right to even know who is abducting you or why. Sounds like you're embracing dystopia with open arms. 

C. Again, the answer to a fear of doxxing is to function as a professional organization, enforcing the law with discipline and rigor, but also wisdom and restraint. Don't do things you would be ashamed of doing if people were to find out. 

 

[Hodad]

9 minutes ago, Goddess said:

The Supreme Court, in Jan. 2024, agreed with you.

But the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals, in Nov. 2024, ruled the opposite until the matter is settled by the courts.

No.  But IT IS a state with a large border that illegals cross regularly.  I guess that's why we don't have the can-we-put-up-razor wire-or-not issue in, like.....Kansas.

The issue was that, although Texas had a right to secure its own borders and arrest people for state crimes (like trespassing), the Biden administration said the razor wire impeded border officials from doing their jobs.

 

Great. So we agree that was a nonsensical non-example of open borders. The separation of jurisdictions and powers exists for a reason. It's not a suggestion. Texas should stay in its lane.

 

[User]

25 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Holy shit. I didn't realize that the Biden administration invented the concept of federated government. Super good find.

Or, just another example of the laws being followed. The states are not responsible for borders or border enforcement. Full stop. All states. Texas is not a special snowflake.

Hodad the coward, hiding from the point. 

Which is that Texas was actually enforcing protecting their border BECAUSE Biden was not. 

Yeah, the federal government is SUPPOSED to protect the border, and to the point, they were not under Biden. 

[User]

5 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Great. So we agree that was a nonsensical non-example of open borders. The separation of jurisdictions and powers exists for a reason. It's not a suggestion. Texas should stay in its lane.

 

No, it was a perfect example of open borders. Biden was not protecting them, he was fighting to open them. There is nothing stopping the Federal Government from working with states to enforce Immigration laws like this, so why did Biden fight Texas? 

 

[Goddess]

2 minutes ago, Hodad said:

a nonsensical non-example of open borders.

Oh, please.

It was a total free-for-all at the Texas border.  And it let in a LOT of violent criminals.

There's 1,238 pages of them.  So far. 

Arrested: Worst of the Worst | Homeland Security

Left-wing radicals wanted open borders and let in a metric f*&%ton of violent criminals and now they're whining that they don't like THE WAY their mess is being cleaned up.

It's laughable, really.

 

[User]

17 minutes ago, Hodad said:

B. Every police officer in the country, AFAIK, must identify themselves and even produce a badge number when requested. Are they not at the exact same risk? Is it because they are of the community and tasked to serve and protect? -- As opposed to masked thugs abducting people off the street --not with warrants or as the outcome of an investigation, but literally just because of how the "look."

Should all police be the secret police? Trump's Tonton Macoutes? If some masked thug drags you off the street you have no right to resist, nor any right to even know who is abducting you or why. Sounds like you're embracing dystopia with open arms. 

AFAIK, you are an ignorant, cowardly liar. 

There is no federal law that demands all police must identify themselves and give a badge number, some states have this, and it might be a matter of policy for most agencies.

It is your characterization of ICE engaged in their lawful duties as being masked thugs, and it is people like you who are responsible for inciting people like Good to get themselves killed. 

You do not need a warrant to arrest someone in the act when you have probable cause. 

These are not just "masked thugs" they are uniformed Law Enforcement officers, they have lights, sirens, clearly marked uniform clothing, and most do in fact have badges that I have seen as well. 

 

[Hodad]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

Oh, please.

It was a total free-for-all at the Texas border.  And it let in a LOT of violent criminals.

There's 1,238 pages of them.  So far. 

Arrested: Worst of the Worst | Homeland Security

Left-wing radicals wanted open borders and let in a metric f*&%ton of violent criminals and now they're whining that they don't like THE WAY their mess is being cleaned up.

It's laughable, really.

 

You people are nuts. You believe any random thing you hear  in the conservative infobubble and adopt it as dogma. No facts required. You've simply swallowed the propaganda hook line and sinker.

Here are facts. With data visualization from the decidedly un-left CATO.

A. There never were open borders. That's a total and complete fabrication. The border laws were the exact same under Biden as they had been before. That is a fact. And Biden DID NOT cut enforcement.

B. Biden's enforcement was dramatically more impactful than Trump's, with far greater numbers expelled and removed. 

C. What did change is that far more people were coming. 

 

 

 

So you should ask yourself WHY your understanding of the facts is so radically inverted from the actual facts themselves? Who did you listen to to get the narrative backward? And maybe, you know, stop listening to them.

[User]

6 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You people are nuts. You believe any random thing you hear  in the conservative infobubble and adopt it as dogma. No facts required. You've simply swallowed the propaganda hook line and sinker.

Stop hiding like a coward then, respond to the criticisms of the shit you post. You are not interested in facts, you push lies and dishonest shit, and hide like a coward. 

[Goddess]

18 minutes ago, Hodad said:

 

C. What did change is that far more people were coming. 

This reminds me of a riddle.

Q:  Why were far more people coming?

A:  Because they heard the border was open.

🤣🤣

 

[Venandi]

50 minutes ago, Hodad said:

If some masked thug drags you off the street you have no right to resist, nor any right to even know who is abducting you or why. Sounds like you're embracing dystopia with open arms. 

You aren't paying attention.

This is one of several reasons I don't like face coverings, throw in jeans, sneakers, a baggy  t-shirt, coca Cola baseball hat, an ill fitting tactical vest and a rusty white van and there is serious potential for mistakes when dealing with capable individuals who would otherwise immediately comply with instructions from a uniformed officer.  

This is far from ideal, and I will tell you for the last time that I don't like face coverings and that I resent the fact that LEO have been driven to doing it out of necessity and for their own safety... that's why it's happening.

That said I understand it and on balance approve of masking due to conditions set in motion by Democrats, progressives and an abundance  of bloody nonsense from people like you.

Get a grip.  

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[Goddess]

2 minutes ago, Venandi said:

This is one of several reasons I don't like face coverings

Can we please drop the false claim that she had no idea who these people telling her to stop and get out of her car were and they were just "strangers" and unnamed "thugs"?

She clearly knew who they were.  She had been there all morning.

[Goddess]

I wonder how so many violent criminals got past Biden's "radically expanded" system?

Weird.

[WestCanMan]

27 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You people are nuts. You believe any random thing you hear  in the conservative infobubble and adopt it as dogma. No facts required. You've simply swallowed the propaganda hook line and sinker.

Here are facts. With data visualization from the decidedly un-left CATO.

A. There never were open borders. That's a total and complete fabrication. The border laws were the exact same under Biden as they had been before. That is a fact. And Biden DID NOT cut enforcement.

B. Biden's enforcement was dramatically more impactful than Trump's, with far greater numbers expelled and removed. 

C. What did change is that far more people were coming. 

 

 

 

So you should ask yourself WHY your understanding of the facts is so radically inverted from the actual facts themselves? Who did you listen to to get the narrative backward? And maybe, you know, stop listening to them.

Ask yourself why you just have to lie about everything. 

Biden didn't "do more to enforce border laws". He just let more people in, which led to more encounters with border agents, more asylum claims, more gotaways, more everything. 

The end result is spending more money to achieve far less success.  

You're the only person on earth who's trying to say that somehow Biden's border was more secure than Trump's. You get the coveted cultist of the year award. Tell robo and eyeball to kick rocks. 

[Venandi]

9 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Can we please drop the false claim that she had no idea who these people telling her to stop and get out of her car were and they were just "strangers" and unnamed "thugs"?

That's not what I was suggesting and the circumstances in this event don't even come close to meeting the parameters I'm talking about. The face coverings have become a necessity. I don't think anyone is suggesting that she didn't know who she was dealing with.

Are they?

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[Goddess]

7 minutes ago, Venandi said:

That's not what I was suggesting and the circumstances in this event don't even come close to meeting the parameters I'm talking about. The face coverings have become a necessity. I don't think anyone is suggesting that she didn't know who she was dealing with.

Are they?

Very sorry, I was not implying otherwise from you, yourself.  I lazily grabbed the quote from you, rather than go back through grabbing all the quotes, but it was really both Robo and Ho who are arguing that because of the masks, these people were "strangers" (according to Robo) and "thugs" (according to Ho).

I agree with you about the masks.  Not ideal, but unfortunately necessary given the current climate.

My point is that, even with the masks, she knew who these people were and what they were doing there.

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

That's because I'm a liar.

 

We know. 

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And you can take that to the bank.

If we do you'll just demand the liberals freeze our accounts  LOL 

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Radiorum said:

 

How about fair justice?

 

Those words don't really mean anything to you. You're saying that because you think it's hard for people to argue with things being fair without defining what fair actually means. Same with justice

 

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The Civil Rights division of the DoJ has refused to investigate the shooting of Renee Good.

Sure. They probably refuse to investigate cases of tax fraud as well. That is not the body that investigates police shootings. The group that does that would be the FBI. Guess who's investigating? The FBI.

 

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They are responsible for investigating the use of excessive force by law enforcement.

This isn't a case of excessive force. Either he was justified in firing the shot or he wasn't and the group that investigates that is the FBI

 

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The Civil Rights division is headed by Harmeet Dhillion, former personal lawyer for Trump, a loyalist and election denier. Under her leadership, the Civil Rights division has not investigated any of the egregious behavior seen by ICE this year.

You just blew your own argument out of the water. This guy's controlled by trump then he is exactly who they would want doing the investigation. If what you're saying is true this guy would be the first guy trump would send in and make sure that the report favored him and what he wanted

 

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There is no protection for civil rights in the USA

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTY37b2D7lA/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

 

There are tons of protections for civil rights in America. It is not a civil right to run over police officers with your car

[Radiorum]

4 hours ago, Goddess said:

Q:  Why were far more people coming?

A:  Because they heard the border was open.

Yeah, sure, noting to do with the political and economic instability in the countries they left. /s

if the border was so open, how was it that 

Between its start in March 2020 and its end in May 2023, migrants were expelled nearly three million times under this policy.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0jp4xqx2z3o

Why did Trump kill Biden's border bill?

[Radiorum]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That is not the body that investigates police shootings.

it most certainly is. For example, they investigated the killing of George Floyd.

 

12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The FBI.

Yeah, Patel's FBI. that's sure to be on the up and up. /s

 

13 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

a case of excessive force.

can't get any more excessive

 

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

This guy's

It's a woman

 

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If what you're saying is true this guy would be the first guy trump would send in and make sure that the report favored him and what he wanted

Oh, okay, then you are agreeing with me that the decision was politically motivated

 

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

here are tons of protections for civil rights in America. It is not a civil right to run over police officers with your car

SHE DID NOT RUN HIM OVER. HE STAYED ON HIS FEET, TAPED HER WITH HIS PHONE AND PULLED OUT HIS GUN AND KILLED HER. HE WAS F*CKING PISSED AT HER, IS ALL.

[User]

8 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Yeah, sure, noting to do with the political and economic instability in the countries they left. /s

if the border was so open, how was it that 

Between its start in March 2020 and its end in May 2023, migrants were expelled nearly three million times under this policy.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0jp4xqx2z3o

 

Why did Trump kill Biden's border bill?

Are you still pushing this stupid talking point? We never needed that shit border bill. We just needed a President willing to actually enforce immigration law and protect the border.