The Left's Violent Nature Reimurges

[User]

4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

The so-called “BLM riots” aren’t “left”. Thats black people protesting police brutality.

More of your pathetic lies. And the same old laundry list that you have run away like a coward from the last several times you peddled, and I responded to. 

The BLM summer of violence lasted months with Democrats fanning the flames, it was not just black people out protesting police violence. It was the left wing pushing this against Trump as they targeted federal property, the White House, federal law enforcement, and federal courthouses, with Nancy Pelosi out calling federal law enforcement brown shirts and saying they were kidnapping people while making lawful arrests of people who had assaulted them.

 

 

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Indeed. Except...my conscience is clean. Is yours?

ONLY because your "conscience" conveniently ignores ALL of the despicable things that your orange god does; either by denial or fake rationalizations.

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

The guy who shot Reagan wasn’t “left” he was just crazy and did it to try to get the attention of actress Jodie Foster, with whom he was obsessed.  If only he knew she was a lesbian he might have himself some trouble. Talk about barking up the wrong tree. 
 

But if you want to talk about historical figures getting shot you might want to start with JFK and Martin Luther King, both shot by right wing extremists. . 

And RFK.

[robosmith]

18 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

This happened: USA TODAY:Package containing explosives found near Arizona Supreme Court

This was probably someone that is mad about not having the right to discrimenately kill babies: Group launches campaign to oust 2 Arizona justices over abortion ruling

It is really sad what the left has become. They can't just protest and try to convince people to support them. They have to kill people or threaten to kill people to get their way. That should tell you just how unpopular their beliefs are. 

 

Nothing in your cite about "the left" except "probably."

BTW, it's REEMERGES. AKA, to emerge again. Duh

[gatomontes99]

9 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

The so-called “BLM riots” aren’t “left”.

So J6 was not a right wing violent protest. It was just Americans against stolen elections. 

[Nationalist]

5 hours ago, User said:

More of your pathetic lies. And the same old laundry list that you have run away like a coward from the last several times you peddled, and I responded to. 

The BLM summer of violence lasted months with Democrats fanning the flames, it was not just black people out protesting police violence. It was the left wing pushing this against Trump as they targeted federal property, the White House, federal law enforcement, and federal courthouses, with Nancy Pelosi out calling federal law enforcement brown shirts and saying they were kidnapping people while making lawful arrests of people who had assaulted them.

 

 

This is quite true. Unfortunately, Libbies like @BeaverFever choose to lie about those riots and any other they hold, in vain efforts to justify and excuse them. Its an ANTIFA thing.

Any violence is justified to fight "fascism". Thus, by labeling the US government and police officers as "fascists", they feel justified in using potentially lethal force (bricks, frozen water bottles, fireworks, arson, etc). They apply lethal force and hide behind the belief that police and government would never respond in kind.

IMO...the police and government need to stop playing games. If people threaten them with lethality, the police and government should be encouraged to respond in kind.

Send a few to their graves and they'll be quite willing to go to their rooms without dinner.

Edited January 7 by Nationalist

[gatomontes99]

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

Nothing in your cite about "the left" except "probably."

BTW, it's REEMERGES. AKA, to emerge again. Duh

You know I will be proven right. 

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

So J6 was not a right wing violent protest. It was just Americans against stolen elections. 

WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE that the election was stolen except your NAIVE belief in a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.

6 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

You know I will be proven right. 

I know all you have is SPECULATION and shitty spelling.

Edited January 7 by robosmith

[Hodad]

21 hours ago, ironstone said:

Studies like this and others should be taken with a grain of salt.

"Study on political violence omits pro-abortion attacks, BLM, and Antifa"

Cato Institute’s Alex Nowrasteh only counts murders and excludes the 9/11 terrorist attacks to get to the conclusion conservatives are more violent. He labels the 9/11 attacks as “Islamism,” not leftism. That might be fair to do, insofar as the single event would be an outlier that would account for 83 percent of all political murders.

What was included as right wing violence?

The project labels as right-violence murkier cases, including “Linda Mueller and two friends” who “were arrested for peacefully protesting outside of an abortion clinic in West Chester, PA. 

But in only choosing murder, Nowrasteh discounts the criminal activity of Black Lives Matter, Antifa, and pro-abortion groups that attacked pro-life groups in the wake of the reversal of Roe v. Wade in 2022.

Liberals rely on skewed studies to claim right-wing violence is more common

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/liberals-rely-on-skewed-studies-to-claim-right-wing-violence-is-more-common/ar-AA1N3jwk

If the killer doesn't fit the narrative...

 

SORRY, MEDIA, AARON LONG ISN’T THE WHITE SUPREMACIST YOU WERE HOPING FOR

Notably missing from the list is convicted killer Darrell E. Brooks, who deliberately drove into a Christmas parade in Waukesha, Wisconsin. Brooks posted anti-white and anti-police content on social media, comparing police officers to Ku Klux Klan members and advocating violence against white people. All six of his victims, including an 8-year-old boy, were white.

 

A. That's an entirely different report
B. Not surprising that, though it's measuring something different, it shows the same general conclusion.
C. For the record, Islamic violence IS far right violence. For the sake of more granular measurement you can certainly break our religious right vs secular right violence, but they are both far right. Doesn't get more conservative that the Taliban types, and the Christian Nationalists are just the American Taliban.  

[ironstone]

6 minutes ago, Hodad said:

C. For the record, Islamic violence IS far right violence. For the sake of more granular measurement you can certainly break our religious right vs secular right violence, but they are both far right. Doesn't get more conservative that the Taliban types, and the Christian Nationalists are just the American Taliban.  

But there is more of an alliance between the left and radical Islam. Any time there is some kind of Islamist terrorist attack, it is the left that usually is the first to cry 'ISLAMOPHOBIA'. 

https://fcpp.org/2025/03/12/how-radical-leftists-and-islamists-united-against-western-civilization/

https://www.news18.com/opinion/opinion-whats-behind-the-left-islamist-contract-9397481.html

Personally, I think it's absurd to consider Islamic violence as far-right since those who support Islamic terrorism despise Western values. Many on the left even despise the West.

[CdnFox]

On 1/6/2026 at 5:42 AM, gatomontes99 said:

This happened: USA TODAY:Package containing explosives found near Arizona Supreme Court

This was probably someone that is mad about not having the right to discrimenately kill babies: Group launches campaign to oust 2 Arizona justices over abortion ruling

It is really sad what the left has become. They can't just protest and try to convince people to support them. They have to kill people or threaten to kill people to get their way. That should tell you just how unpopular their beliefs are. 

 

What do you mean re-emerges? When exactly did it unemerge?  They've been violent for years now

[Hodad]

56 minutes ago, ironstone said:

But there is more of an alliance between the left and radical Islam. Any time there is some kind of Islamist terrorist attack, it is the left that usually is the first to cry 'ISLAMOPHOBIA'. 

https://fcpp.org/2025/03/12/how-radical-leftists-and-islamists-united-against-western-civilization/

https://www.news18.com/opinion/opinion-whats-behind-the-left-islamist-contract-9397481.html

Personally, I think it's absurd to consider Islamic violence as far-right since those who support Islamic terrorism despise Western values. Many on the left even despise the West.

No, there is no alliance whatsoever between the left and radical Islam. That's absurd. The same people who want to be free of Christian theocracy certainly want to be free of Islamic theocracy. The same people who repudiate nonsense like conversion therapy also disapprove of murdering (rather than "converting") gay people. Liberalism and fundamentalism (religious or otherwise) are diametrically opposed. 

Islamaphobia is very real, particularly among Christian conservatives, but acknowledging that has nothing whatsoever to do with support for or alliance with Islamic terrorism. That's just a super shoddy bit of marketing spin, like calling objections to Israel's actions in Palestine antisemitism. Paper thin, and very dumb. 

Edited January 7 by Hodad

[gatomontes99]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE that the election was stolen except your NAIVE belief in a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.

There is even less evidence that law enforcement targets black people. I am just illustrating the absurd by being absurd. You do that every day, without the illustration part. 

36 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

What do you mean re-emerges? When exactly did it unemerge?  They've been violent for years now

Last wedensday was a slow day.

[robosmith]

53 minutes ago, ironstone said:

But there is more of an alliance between the left and radical Islam. Any time there is some kind of Islamist terrorist attack, it is the left that usually is the first to cry 'ISLAMOPHOBIA'. 

https://fcpp.org/2025/03/12/how-radical-leftists-and-islamists-united-against-western-civilization/

https://www.news18.com/opinion/opinion-whats-behind-the-left-islamist-contract-9397481.html

Personally, I think it's absurd to consider Islamic violence as far-right since those who support Islamic terrorism despise Western values. Many on the left even despise the West.

Got news for you, Sharia law is much older than our Constitution, and conservatives are all about turning back the clock to when American WAS GREAT.

CONS always OPPOSE change, like the racists who opposed ABOLITION.

The left is all about PROGRESS.

[gatomontes99]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

Got news for you, Sharia law is much older than our Constitution, and conservatives are all about turning back the clock to when American WAS GREAT.

CONS always OPPOSE change, like the racists who opposed ABOLITION.

The left is all about PROGRESS.

Great Britain is older than the US, but we don't want to return to that. Good to know that you support Sharia law though. 

How do you reconcile supporting Sharia law (that supports killing gays, oppressing women and killing any that don't convert to Islam)? 

[ironstone]

39 minutes ago, Hodad said:

No, there is no alliance whatsoever between the left and radical Islam. That's absurd.

Edited January 7 by ironstone

[gatomontes99]

43 minutes ago, Hodad said:

No, there is no alliance whatsoever between the left and radical Islam.

Wtf? C'mon man. 

[Hodad]

 

47 minutes ago, Hodad said:

No, there is no alliance whatsoever between the left and radical Islam. That's absurd. The same people who want to be free of Christian theocracy certainly want to be free of Islamic theocracy. The same people who repudiate nonsense like conversion therapy also disapprove of murdering (rather than "converting") gay people. Liberalism and fundamentalism (religious or otherwise) are diametrically opposed. 

Islamaphobia is very real, particularly among Christian conservatives, but acknowledging that has nothing whatsoever to do with support for or alliance with Islamic terrorism.

8 minutes ago, ironstone said:

 

 I repeat (because I literally said it in the post to which you responded):
"That's just a super shoddy bit of marketing spin, like calling objections to Israel's actions in Palestine antisemitism. Paper thin, and very dumb."

Edited January 7 by Hodad

[Hodad]

6 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Wtf? C'mon man. 

One for you too.

[ironstone]

25 minutes ago, Hodad said:

 

 I repeat (because I literally said it in the post to which you responded):
"That's just a super shoddy bit of marketing spin, like calling objections to Israel's actions in Palestine antisemitism. Paper thin, and very dumb."

Perhaps alliance isn't the best adjective to describe the left's relationship with Islam. I think most Muslims deep down, have no respect for leftist 'values', but they are willing to tolerate them in the useful you-know-what role to further their own religious agenda in the West.

Leftists are a bit harder to pin down. They love Islam, but seem to be ignorant of the fact that Muslims don't feel the same way. Especially so when it comes to things like the trans/lgbt agenda and abortion. When push comes to shove, the left will probably back down from the Islamists because they are terrified of being called Islamophobic.

Kind of what happened in Hamtramck. A staunchly Democrat city where 4 out of 5 on the Hamtramck City Council members are Muslim. After they were elected, they removed pride flags which please the lgbt community(overwhelmingly left), but they didn't put up much of a fuss about it.

 

 

[gatomontes99]

44 minutes ago, Hodad said:

One for you too.

One-quarter of US Democrats supported Hamas

 

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, ironstone said:

Perhaps alliance isn't the best adjective to describe the left's relationship with Islam. I think most Muslims deep down, have no respect for leftist 'values', but they are willing to tolerate them in the useful you-know-what role to further their own religious agenda in the West.

Leftists are a bit harder to pin down. They love Islam, but seem to be ignorant of the fact that Muslims don't feel the same way. Especially so when it comes to things like the trans/lgbt agenda and abortion. When push comes to shove, the left will probably back down from the Islamists because they are terrified of being called Islamophobic.

Kind of what happened in Hamtramck. A staunchly Democrat city where 4 out of 5 on the Hamtramck City Council members are Muslim. After they were elected, they removed pride flags which please the lgbt community(overwhelmingly left), but they didn't put up much of a fuss about it.

 

 

"Leftists" do not love Islam. Full stop. They especially don't love radical or fundamentalist Islam. There is nothing aligned in those value groups. 

Leftists simply believe in tolerance and freedom of and from religion. You know, good old fashioned values the country was founded on. 

Conservatives, who are rapidly being devoured by the Christian right that they once used for votes, want to claim some kind of affinity so that they can demonize two rival ideologies in one broad, ludicrous brush stroke.

Personally, I think all religions are crap, doing far more harm than good. But whatever deluded fairy tales people want to use to cope with life are fine by me, as long as they don't try to impose their personal rules for living on others. That last part is the trick. Most of them aren't content with pluralism, and the fundies of most sects are eager to seize power on behalf of their imaginary gods and exact vengeance on the non-compliant.

American Christians don't really hate Islam because it's so different, but rather web because they're too similar. They are rivals. And there's a subset of both groups that are comfortable with violence to achieve their ends. 

When "leftists" don't join the radical Christians in demonizing and attacking ordinary Muslims, it has nothing to do with liking Islam, and everything to do with repudiating religious bigotry. Tolerance is NOT alliance or alignment. Your enemy is not your enemy's friend. 

[ironstone]

2 minutes ago, Hodad said:

"Leftists" do not love Islam. Full stop. They especially don't love radical or fundamentalist Islam. There is nothing aligned in those value groups. 

Leftists simply believe in tolerance and freedom of and from religion. You know, good old fashioned values the country was founded on. 

Conservatives, who are rapidly being devoured by the Christian right that they once used for votes, want to claim some kind of affinity so that they can demonize two rival ideologies in one broad, ludicrous brush stroke.

Personally, I think all religions are crap, doing far more harm than good. But whatever deluded fairy tales people want to use to cope with life are fine by me, as long as they don't try to impose their personal rules for living on others. That last part is the trick. Most of them aren't content with pluralism, and the fundies of most sects are eager to seize power on behalf of their imaginary gods and exact vengeance on the non-compliant.

American Christians don't really hate Islam because it's so different, but rather web because they're too similar. They are rivals. And there's a subset of both groups that are comfortable with violence to achieve their ends. 

When "leftists" don't join the radical Christians in demonizing and attacking ordinary Muslims, it has nothing to do with liking Islam, and everything to do with repudiating religious bigotry. Tolerance is NOT alliance or alignment. Your enemy is not your enemy's friend. 

If you don't take it from me, how about from Newsweek?

"How the Left Fell in Love With Militant Islam "

There has been a similar surprise for American moderates since the vicious, inhuman assault on Israel on Oct. 7 by Hamas. They have been shocked by the support for the Islamic extremists from Leftist academics and activists. How could ardently feminist supporters side with a culture that represses women? How could trans-rights activists back a society where any deviation from sexual or gender norms can result in death. What could the far left have in common with Islamists who seem to stand for everything they are against?

Dig down and you'll see Islamists and radical leftists have a lot more in common than meets the eye.

Prominent leftist scholars like Noam Chomsky and Judith Butler have expressed support for such terrorist groups as Hamas and Hezbollah and have described them as part of the international and progressive left.

[Hodad]

3 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

One-quarter of US Democrats supported Hamas

 

So what? So did 19% of Republicans and 20% of independents--in the same poll. That's just a 6 point delta for those playing along at home. What do you think that actually means? 

Let me fill in the blanks for you. The question was not "Do you support terrorism?" It asked which side you support more in the current conflict. It means that I'm the context of a brutal genocide 2/5 of Americans across the political spectrum think the side wantonly killing tens of thousands of innocent women and children is the one more in the wrong. Israel had the moral high ground after the October attacks, and near universal sympathy. Then they bombed the high ground into oblivion. 

[Hodad]

38 minutes ago, ironstone said:

If you don't take it from me, how about from Newsweek?

"How the Left Fell in Love With Militant Islam "

There has been a similar surprise for American moderates since the vicious, inhuman assault on Israel on Oct. 7 by Hamas. They have been shocked by the support for the Islamic extremists from Leftist academics and activists. How could ardently feminist supporters side with a culture that represses women? How could trans-rights activists back a society where any deviation from sexual or gender norms can result in death. What could the far left have in common with Islamists who seem to stand for everything they are against?

Dig down and you'll see Islamists and radical leftists have a lot more in common than meets the eye.

Prominent leftist scholars like Noam Chomsky and Judith Butler have expressed support for such terrorist groups as Hamas and Hezbollah and have described them as part of the international and progressive left.

Dude, that's an Op-Ed reprint from a pro-Israel advocacy group posing as a think tank. Their mission is to advance Israeli objectives in the media. 

Thanks for sharing, I guess, but that does not constitute an argument. I read it. It's a whole lot of words leading up to a wet fart of a conclusion that modern leftism and modern Islam are both derived from Marxism. Big eye roll on that one. 

At I said, it's politically convenient to demonize two "enemies" with the same broad brush, but it's a specious argument that simply can't stand up to scrutiny. You can find plenty of things that liberalism and Islam both oppose, but almost no values that they share in common. 

Try it out. Make yourself a venn diagram of values. See how that goes.

Edited January 8 by Hodad