Beware those who seem to love the cruelty of moral indignation. They do not seek a better world only the pleasure of punishment.

[ironstone]

On 12/21/2025 at 9:54 PM, Radiorum said:

In the US, transgender persons are not safe from Christian hate

I think people that choose not to go along with the whole trans agenda does not fit the definition of 'Christian hate'.

It used to be called gender dysphoria.

You did choose to single out Christians but not mention Muslim-Americans. I guarantee you that basically ALL Muslims categorically reject the trans agenda much more so than Christians.

Democracy, women's rights, lgbt rights, human rights in general, why does the leftist ideology push always suddenly become silent when it involves Islam?

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, ironstone said:

I think people that choose not to go along with the whole trans agenda does not fit the definition of 'Christian hate'.

I've been thinking about this lately because I started wondering:

How does the generation (mainly Gen X, which is me) of David Bowie, Grace Jones, Iggy Pop, Boy George, Prince (who said "I'm not a woman, I'm not a man" back in 1984), Debbie Harry (who loved trans people) and the entire gender-bending punk movement, suddenly become known as the most gay/trans hating people on the planet?

It's because it became soooooo politicized.

Everything we made in Gen X was optional - you could opt in, you could opt out.  No one cared.  Prince didn't care if you liked him or not.  Interesting people did interesting things and if you liked it, cool.  If you didn't like it, also cool.

The concept of "Accept me?" became der commissar demanding "Accept me!"  Or else you're a bad person.

That's not pushing boundaries.  It's coercive cultural domination.

As someone once said, What's the difference between a cozy little sleeping nook and a prison?  Being able to leave if and when you want to.

Bowie just did things, offered them up for people to like, ignore or criticize.

Now this generation wants laws that if we don't like and support you, it's a hate crime.

 

 

[WestCanMan]

On 12/21/2025 at 6:54 PM, Radiorum said:

The indignation is no more powerful than in the so called “Christian base” –

^^This^^ coming from a guy who just complained that "an article about the Bondi Beach terrorist attack failed to link the attack to the IDF's actions in Gaza." 

You're literally the poster child for "Moral indignation -> the right to murder children."

[User]

On 12/21/2025 at 6:54 PM, Radiorum said:

In the US, transgender persons are not safe from Christian hate

Safe… how? From what hate?

This is America, we have freedom of speech. We don’t have to go around pretending grown ass men are women or not caring when they beat up women in sports. 

[Radiorum]

13 minutes ago, User said:

Safe… how? From what hate?

several individual Baptist ministers have publicly called for the death penalty for transgender people and the broader LGBTQ+ community in their sermons and on social media:

• Grayson Fritts, a pastor and former detective in Tennessee, stated in a sermon that LGBTQ+ people were "freaks" and "worthy of death".
• Steven Falco and other leaders at the Sure Foundation Baptist Church in Indianapolis have made repeated calls for the LGBTQ+ community to face the death penalty, stating they should be executed by the government.
• Dillon Awes, a pastor at a church in Watauga, Texas, and later an employee in Oklahoma City, called for gay people and those who support them to "get the death penalty".
• Pastor Tom Haskell of Grace Baptist Church in Florida has also suggested that being gay should be a crime and appeared to support capital punishment for homosexual acts, citing biblical passages.
• Pastor Gabriel Graber from Spokane, Washington, called for the execution of parents who allow their children to undergo gender-affirming care, suggesting they be "shot in the back of the head". 

 

 

Then there is the recent speech made at Turning Point’s (founded by Charlie Kirk, now run by his widow Erica) Americafest. The angry man in the video below cites Charlie as a martyr, then delivers his warped version of Christianity. His chilling speech earned him a standing ovation.

“The person who pulled the trigger (on Charlie) is part of the demonic transgender ideology that warps the minds of our young children, that poisons them, that is antithetical to creation itself … God doesn’t make mistakes. Transgenderism is a lie from the pit of hell … and I’m sick of seeing transgender violence and murderers in my country … what a horrid and wretched ideology … it’s time to kick in doors, come on FBI, do some door-kicking, round them up.”

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DSi3WJiEewU/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

 

14 minutes ago, User said:

We don’t have to go around pretending grown ass men are women or not caring when they beat up women in sports. 

 

You don't have to pretend a thing, but why should others pretend they are who they are not for your benefit?

Besides, you can be pro-transgender without condoning men in women's sports

[User]

18 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

You don't have to pretend a thing, but why should others pretend they are who they are not for your benefit?

Besides, you can be pro-transgender without condoning men in women's sports

So… your list was all people saying mean things. So what?

No one is safe from that. 
 

Folks pushing this trans madness do in fact push laws, or policies, wherever they can forcing people to play along with the delusion of trans people.

It is not “pretend” for a dude who thinks he is a woman to not pretend to be a woman. 
 

Define what you mean by Pro Transgender. 

 

[Radiorum]

17 minutes ago, User said:

So… your list was all people saying mean things. So what?

No one is safe from that. 

You asked for demonstrations of hate, I gave them to you, and then you say, "So what?"

Do you understand that transgender persons are fearing for their lives?

18 minutes ago, User said:

Folks pushing this trans madness do in fact push laws, or policies, wherever they can forcing people to play along with the delusion of trans people.

It is not “pretend” for a dude who thinks he is a woman to not pretend to be a woman. 

No-one is pushing anything on you. The most you have to put up with is the nuisance of pronouns, lol. You have a very ignorant position on the trans identity, and can only process it in terms that centre around you.

 

19 minutes ago, User said:

Define what you mean by Pro Transgender. 

People who understand that that transgenderism is not a delusion but a state of being.

[User]

Just now, Radiorum said:

You asked for demonstrations of hate, I gave them to you, and then you say, "So what?"

Yes, and it turned out to be the silliness I thought it was, that you could be talking about anyone, not being “safe”

It was a meaningless point on your part. 
 

1 minute ago, Radiorum said:

Do you understand that transgender persons are fearing for their lives?

How so?

Last I checked it was transgender nuts going on mass shooting sprees and killing people.

2 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

No-one is pushing anything on you. The most you have to put up with is the nuisance of pronouns, lol. You have a very ignorant position on the trans identity, and can only process it in terms that centre around you.

 

This is a lie. The companies controlled by folks on the left push these policies on their employees, states, cities, and places where the left has the power push this madness onto children, schools, etc…

4 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

People who understand that that transgenderism is not a delusion but a state of being.

Then you contradicted yourself. 
 

How do you both understand being trans isn’t a delusion but also say a dude who thinks he is a woman cant participate as a woman in sports?

[Radiorum]

5 minutes ago, User said:

Yes, and it turned out to be the silliness I thought it was, that you could be talking about anyone, not being “safe”

It was a meaningless point on your part. 

You really are out of touch with anything outside of your little right-wing bubble.

 

6 minutes ago, User said:

Last I checked it was transgender nuts going on mass shooting sprees and killing people.

You are spreading false facts. Overwhelmingly, mass shooters are white cisgender males

four widely cited examples out of the 3,561 shootings translates to 0.11% being perpetrated by someone who is not cisgender — a very low number relative to the number of mass shootings total.

https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/ap-top-news/2023/03/30/fact-focus-no-incredible-rise-in-transgender-shooters

So, since about 1% of the population is transgender, they are actually underrepresented in mass shootings.

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/trans-adults-united-states/

13 minutes ago, User said:

The companies controlled by folks on the left push these policies on their employees, states, cities, and places where the left has the power push this madness onto children, schools, etc…

What policies?

14 minutes ago, User said:

Then you contradicted yourself. 
 

How do you both understand being trans isn’t a delusion but also say a dude who thinks he is a woman cant participate as a woman in sports?

 

Easy. A transgender identity is something produced by your  brain, in your brain. But a transgender female would still have a male body, and therefore an unfair advantage in female sprots.

[User]

1 minute ago, Radiorum said:

You really are out of touch with anything outside of your little right-wing bubble

This doesn’t follow the point being made. It’s just what you usually do when you get backed into a corner. You turn to making it about the person because you can’t engage intellectually on the merits. 
 

 

3 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

You are spreading false facts. Overwhelmingly, mass shooters are white cisgender males

Nothing false about what I said at all. The recent shootings and recent mass shootings have seen a dramatic increase from trans folks or whatever furry/trans thing the person who just killed Kirk was.

To the point, why are trans people in fear for their lives any more than anyone else is right now? 
 

5 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

What policies?

You gonna play Sea Lion with me now?

The kinds of policies that subjected girls like Riley Gains to having to compete against a dude, share her locker room space with a dude… the same ones pushed all over the country on girls. 
 

7 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Easy. A transgender identity is something produced by your  brain, in your brain. But a transgender female would still have a male body, and therefore an unfair advantage in female sprots.

What do you call it when someone thinks they are something they are not?

A delusion. 
 

You want to have it both ways now. You want to say we should accept it as a state of being… but they are not actually what they think they are. 

[Radiorum]

13 minutes ago, User said:

because you can’t engage intellectually on the merits. 

Lol! Says you

 

13 minutes ago, User said:

the person who just killed Kirk was.

The person who killed Kirk was a white dude from a red state whose parents are Trump supporters

14 minutes ago, User said:

What do you call it when someone thinks they are something they are not?

A delusion. 
 

You want to have it both ways now. You want to say we should accept it as a state of being… but they are not actually what they think they are. 

Says you.

The transgender identity is a complicated one, but it is not a delusion. that is well established scientifically.

[User]

16 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Lol! Says you

Proven by how you are responding now here and how you have run away from countless other threads or resorted to this behavior.
 

 

17 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

The person who killed Kirk was a white dude from a red state whose parents are Trump supporters

Might also have been a Walmart shopper too… you are completely ignoring the point. 
 

 

17 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Says you.

The transgender identity is a complicated one, but it is not a delusion. that is well established scientifically.

Says me what? 
 

You are the one who keeps claiming the science here and then never produces the science. 
 

Up until about 5 minutes ago for the entirety of human history we recognized this for what it was, either a fetish or a mental problem. 
 

It’s basic logic. A dude isn’t a woman, if he thinks he is, he has mental problems. 

 

[CdnFox]

On 12/21/2025 at 1:48 PM, robosmith said:

I'm looking at YOU @Nationalist, Trump and your fellow MAGAt zealots

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1097822822319811 VIDEO

 

Your hypocrisy is so huge that Mount Everest is like a speed bump in comparison

And you are so dense I'm mildly concerned you're going to collapse into a black hole.

It is you and your leftist allies who are the ones who are constantly taking joy and pleasure From cruelty of moral indignation.

You're literally professionally buthurt and you want others to pay and be canceled when that happens

[Radiorum]

20 minutes ago, User said:

Up until about 5 minutes ago for the entirety of human history we recognized this for what it was, either a fetish or a mental problem. 

Displaying your ignorance again, I see.

History is full of transgender persons. Read a bit, will you? From the 3,200 year old story of the Tale of two Brothers, in which the character Bata removes his penis and tells his wife "I am a woman just like you" - to the Galli priests of ancient Rome - who wore feminine clothes, referred to themselves as women, and often castrated themselves - (do you think eunuchs were forced?) - to the Two-Spirit Indigenous Peoples.

Read about Marina the Monk - 

Try to get it into your pea-sized brain that the human species is full of variation, and gender-identity is not an exception to this rule.

Yes, recent dogma has stifled this truth. But truth will win out in the end.

 

34 minutes ago, User said:

It’s basic logic. A dude isn’t a woman, if he thinks he is, he has mental problems. 

The brain develops its sex during the third trimester of pregnancy, in a separate process from the sexual differentiation of the body (ovaries or testes) during the first trimester of pregnancy. In some cases, these processes take different paths and the body develops a sex different from the brain. But the brain, barring unrelated problems, develops to function normally. Just in an opposite sex from the body.

[User]

2 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Displaying your ignorance again, I see.

No, you are just being dishonest as usual. The claim was not that trans people only existed 5 minutes ago, but that we rightly labeled it what it was, some fetish or a mental issue. 
 

 

4 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

The brain develops its sex during the third trimester of pregnancy, in a separate process from the sexual differentiation of the body (ovaries or testes) during the first trimester of pregnancy. In some cases, these processes take different paths and the body develops a sex different from the brain. But the brain, barring unrelated problems, develops to function normally. Just in an opposite sex from the body.

This is bullshit. Prove it. 

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

 

Quote

 

57 minutes ago, User said:

Up until about 5 minutes ago for the entirety of human history we recognized this for what it was, either a fetish or a mental problem. 

 

 

Displaying your ignorance again, I see.

History is full of transgender persons.

History is full of people with mental problems. 

Swing and a miss kiddo  

 

[Radiorum]

32 minutes ago, User said:

Prove it. 

There have been studies done to provide a biological basis for why gender identity could diverge from genital sex:

During the intrauterine period a testosterone surge masculinizes the fetal brain, whereas the absence of such a surge results in a feminine brain. As sexual differentiation of the brain takes place at a much later stage in development than sexual differentiation of the genitals, these two processes can be influenced independently of each other. 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0091302211000252?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Most of the anatomical, physiological and neurochemical gender-related differences in the brain occur prenatally. The sexual differences in the brain are affected by sex steroid hormones, which play important roles in the differentiation of neuroendocrine system and behavior. 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24592097/

… our gender identity (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and sexual orientation are programmed into our brain structures when we are still in the womb … There is no proof that social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity or sexual orientation.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19403051/

17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

History is full of people with mental problems. 

The scientific evidence overwhelmingly refutes that transgenderism is a mental disorder.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Radiorum said:

There have been studies done to provide a biological basis for why gender identity could diverge from genital sex:

During the intrauterine period a testosterone surge masculinizes the fetal brain, whereas the absence of such a surge results in a feminine brain. As sexual differentiation of the brain takes place at a much later stage in development than sexual differentiation of the genitals, these two processes can be influenced independently of each other. 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0091302211000252?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Most of the anatomical, physiological and neurochemical gender-related differences in the brain occur prenatally. The sexual differences in the brain are affected by sex steroid hormones, which play important roles in the differentiation of neuroendocrine system and behavior. 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24592097/

… our gender identity (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and sexual orientation are programmed into our brain structures when we are still in the womb … There is no proof that social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity or sexual orientation.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19403051/

The scientific evidence overwhelmingly refutes that transgenderism is a mental disorder.

Your problem is you don't know how to read research

Your own research shows that what you're saying isn't accurate. You speak in terms of absolutes, you say this is when gender is developed absolutely and such

In reality your actual studies talk about influence, and possibly, and no proof of certain things not that there's proof that they don't. It talks about how things are affected

This research is absolutely not saying what you think is saying. It's saying these factors can play a role

 

On top of it all it's wrong. Or at least grossly misleading

There is a great deal of evidence that suggests that gender development occurs substantially after birth

Research evidence of gender development after birth - Google Search

And in fact there's a lot of actual studies that show this. There is evidence that prenatal hormones and such have an impact but it is far from proof

And research done to take a look at male and female traits at very early ages failed to turn up differences. Which indicates that it's not set in stone at that stage. As an example:

Systematic Review and Meta‐Analyses Reveal no Gender Difference in Neonatal Social Perception - Karson - 2025 - Social Development - Wiley Online Library

In fact there is a huge amount of data showing very strong ties to post birth factors

 

So you're wrong. You only search for what you wanted to find and then you didn't read it on the slate, you read it through the eyes of your confirmation bias

Hormones may play a role. Genetics may play a role. But they are not proven to have done so nor are they the only factor if they do

Edited December 24, 2025 by CdnFox

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Your hypocrisy is so huge that Mount Everest is like a speed bump in comparison

And you are so dense I'm mildly concerned you're going to collapse into a black hole.

It is you and your leftist allies who are the ones who are constantly taking joy and pleasure From cruelty of moral indignation.

You're literally professionally buthurt and you want others to pay and be canceled when that happens

Ya know what's funny?

Im not even a Christian. 

[Legato]

1 hour ago, Radiorum said:

There have been studies done to provide a biological basis for why gender identity could diverge from genital sex:

During the intrauterine period a testosterone surge masculinizes the fetal brain, whereas the absence of such a surge results in a feminine brain. As sexual differentiation of the brain takes place at a much later stage in development than sexual differentiation of the genitals, these two processes can be influenced independently of each other. 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0091302211000252?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Most of the anatomical, physiological and neurochemical gender-related differences in the brain occur prenatally. The sexual differences in the brain are affected by sex steroid hormones, which play important roles in the differentiation of neuroendocrine system and behavior. 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24592097/

… our gender identity (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and sexual orientation are programmed into our brain structures when we are still in the womb … There is no proof that social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity or sexual orientation.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19403051/

The scientific evidence overwhelmingly refutes that transgenderism is a mental disorder.

Simple explanation.

A person with XY chromosomes is a male with all the male body parts.

If that person thinks they are a female ( note the word "thinks") then that is just a thought in their head which means it's a mental problem.

[User]

2 hours ago, Radiorum said:

There have been studies done to provide a biological basis for why gender identity could diverge from genital sex:

"could"

None of these studies predict someone will be trans, none of them followed anyone from birth to determine they were trans based on any of these indicators, there was and is no causation established here at all. 

The simple fact is that if you took anyone that was trans today, the only way you know they are trans is if they tell you. There is no scientific determination that shows that. 

If a trans person falls over dead, there is no autopsy or test to show they were trans. 

[Radiorum]

21 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

There is a great deal of evidence that suggests that gender development occurs substantially after birth

Of course environmental stimuli affect us after birth. But how the stimuli is interpreted and responded to depends on the brain we developed in utero.

 

[Radiorum]

2 minutes ago, User said:

the only way you know they are trans is if they tell you.

The question is - why won't you believe them? 

Anyway, there is a plethora of evidence to the contrary.

Here's a couple of scientific finds related to two concepts: "diachronic unity" and "alexithymia." 

Diachronic unity describes a stable sense of self over time. It is a sense of self-continuity, wherein memories linked to an internal narrative are able to say – “That was me then, this is me know.”

You’d think that undergoing transgender transition would disrupt diachronic unity, but the opposite is true. Transition restores and strengthens diachronic unity, makes them feel less alienated from themselves. They are able to develop a coherent internal narrative.

Some summarized scientific results:

… transgender participants rate memories from after coming-out with higher phenomenological quality than memories from before coming-out, and that these changes relate to well-being — i.e., coming-out/transitioned periods are experienced as more connected to the current self, supporting phenomenological continuity

Autobiographical memory phenomenology in transgender and cisgender individuals 

… qualitative literature showing that gender dysphoria often produces alienation from one’s life narrative and body prior to transition, and that many respondents describe transition and affirmation as restoring coherence and ownership of their life story. (Qualitative evidence that transition often repairs disrupted self-continuity.)

The phenomenology of gender dysphoria in adults

… participants narrate transition as a process of re-emplotment of life events; many describe the post-transition narrative as the one that best fits their autobiographical story — again, consistent with increased diachronic unity after transition.

Exploring trans people’s narratives of transition
 

The second aspect of self-identity I want to mention is something called alexithymia – which is difficulty with interpreting the signals that the body sends to the brain. The ability to connect the body’s internal signals to the brain is called interoception, and then those signals must be interpreted – meaning made out of them. For transgender persons, this is often a confused process, which results in a feeling of disembodiment.  

But gender-affirming care often restores the connection:

“Alexithymia changes were found after gender-affirming hormone therapy for transgender women in both fantasizing and identifying … These findings suggest a considerable influence of estrogen administration and androgen suppression on brain networks implicated in interoception, own-body perception and higher-level cognition.”
 

[Radiorum]

32 minutes ago, User said:

If a trans person falls over dead, there is no autopsy or test to show they were trans. 

Nor could I tell if you were a poet, a dreamer or a psychopath, but they exist

It's brain function that determines your identity

[Nationalist]

8 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

The question is - why won't you believe them? 

Anyway, there is a plethora of evidence to the contrary.

Here's a couple of scientific finds related to two concepts: "diachronic unity" and "alexithymia." 

Diachronic unity describes a stable sense of self over time. It is a sense of self-continuity, wherein memories linked to an internal narrative are able to say – “That was me then, this is me know.”

You’d think that undergoing transgender transition would disrupt diachronic unity, but the opposite is true. Transition restores and strengthens diachronic unity, makes them feel less alienated from themselves. They are able to develop a coherent internal narrative.

Some summarized scientific results:

… transgender participants rate memories from after coming-out with higher phenomenological quality than memories from before coming-out, and that these changes relate to well-being — i.e., coming-out/transitioned periods are experienced as more connected to the current self, supporting phenomenological continuity

Autobiographical memory phenomenology in transgender and cisgender individuals 

… qualitative literature showing that gender dysphoria often produces alienation from one’s life narrative and body prior to transition, and that many respondents describe transition and affirmation as restoring coherence and ownership of their life story. (Qualitative evidence that transition often repairs disrupted self-continuity.)

The phenomenology of gender dysphoria in adults

… participants narrate transition as a process of re-emplotment of life events; many describe the post-transition narrative as the one that best fits their autobiographical story — again, consistent with increased diachronic unity after transition.

Exploring trans people’s narratives of transition
 

The second aspect of self-identity I want to mention is something called alexithymia – which is difficulty with interpreting the signals that the body sends to the brain. The ability to connect the body’s internal signals to the brain is called interoception, and then those signals must be interpreted – meaning made out of them. For transgender persons, this is often a confused process, which results in a feeling of disembodiment.  

But gender-affirming care often restores the connection:

“Alexithymia changes were found after gender-affirming hormone therapy for transgender women in both fantasizing and identifying … These findings suggest a considerable influence of estrogen administration and androgen suppression on brain networks implicated in interoception, own-body perception and higher-level cognition.”
 

That's a long post just to explore psychological issues. And if a person is born a male, but cant shake this idea that he's a she, that person has psychological issues. Which you say here...

10 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

It's brain function that determines your identity

But your solution is to affirm a psychological issue rather than treat the psychological issue. 

Which is nonsense.