BC Lower Mainland Cut off From Canada due to flooding and rock slides and sharks....

[CdnFox]

Ok, the national headlines WERE a tad dramatic i'll admit....

 

[Legato]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Ok, the national headlines WERE a tad dramatic i'll admit....

 

That's not a shark....

 

[ExFlyer]

I have relatives in Fraser Valley and in Surrey, so far, they are OK.

They had major flooding last year in mid October and then back in 2021.

I would think they are somewhat prepared and have mitigation in effect.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/livestory/bc-flooding-fraser-valley-sumas-river-live-updates-9.7010864

[herbie]

They're more prepared than last time, but future doesn't look bright. The water is coming cross border and it doesn't seem likely there;s gonna be an International solution anytime soon.
More pumps. bigger dikes at BC expense seems most likely.

My sister has a lovely view of the floods from her window up the hill.

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, Legato said:

That's not a shark....

 

We kind of appreciate it if you weren't helping mother's nature out right now......

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

I have relatives in Fraser Valley and in Surrey, so far, they are OK.

They had major flooding last year in mid October and then back in 2021.

I would think they are somewhat prepared and have mitigation in effect.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/livestory/bc-flooding-fraser-valley-sumas-river-live-updates-9.7010864

No, sadly mitigation is quite limited. This is already being brought up as a bone of contention, it's like we learned nothing from 2021.

I mean in some respects there's only so much you can do, the river that's flooding is in the American side of the border not ours. And all that land is supposed to be underwater, the royal engineers drained it back in the day and we still have a massive pump station complex to keep it dry. That pump station hasn't been upgraded in forever and can't keep up with the flood waters.

I think a lot of the people learned their lesson from last time and there's been a major effort to get animals and machinery to higher ground. But there's nothing you can do about the homes. Last time we had the bad flood people were literally showing up with boats to go get the cows out. and in a lot of cases it was too late. So it seems like we're better off this time or at least the farmers are.

It's bad. There's no doubt. But we'll get through it as soon as always

[ExFlyer]

26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No, sadly mitigation is quite limited. This is already being brought up as a bone of contention, it's like we learned nothing from 2021.

I mean in some respects there's only so much you can do, the river that's flooding is in the American side of the border not ours. And all that land is supposed to be underwater, the royal engineers drained it back in the day and we still have a massive pump station complex to keep it dry. That pump station hasn't been upgraded in forever and can't keep up with the flood waters.

I think a lot of the people learned their lesson from last time and there's been a major effort to get animals and machinery to higher ground. But there's nothing you can do about the homes. Last time we had the bad flood people were literally showing up with boats to go get the cows out. and in a lot of cases it was too late. So it seems like we're better off this time or at least the farmers are.

It's bad. There's no doubt. But we'll get through it as soon as always

My Brother said they built dykes but, as has been proven the past few days, they were not high enough.

He also said it will be over soon... It has almost become and annual expected event.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

My Brother said they built dykes but, as has been proven the past few days, they were not high enough.

He also said it will be over soon... It has almost become and annual expected event.

It's always a threat every year but honestly for most of the area it's manageable most years. 4 years ago we had the bad one which was definitely out of the ordinary, and this one threatens to be almost similar although not as bad. And it's only been 4 years.

We are supposed to get more rain next week and it's going to be problematic, but hopefully not as bad as it was in 2021. And it's really hard for them to build up dykes enough on our side of the border.

We will see what happens but the Americans have been very resistant to putting money into their side of the border to get it fixed. And obviously this is going to keep happening moving forward so bC has got to think of something to improve our side of things as well

[ExFlyer]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It's always a threat every year but honestly for most of the area it's manageable most years. 4 years ago we had the bad one which was definitely out of the ordinary, and this one threatens to be almost similar although not as bad. And it's only been 4 years.

We are supposed to get more rain next week and it's going to be problematic, but hopefully not as bad as it was in 2021. And it's really hard for them to build up dykes enough on our side of the border.

We will see what happens but the Americans have been very resistant to putting money into their side of the border to get it fixed. And obviously this is going to keep happening moving forward so bC has got to think of something to improve our side of things as well

I lived in the Lower Mainland for 20 years while growing up. I do not recall this much flooding. Then again, it was not near as populated and it was mostly farm land and the effects were not so harsh.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

I lived in the Lower Mainland for 20 years while growing up. I do not recall this much flooding. Then again, it was not near as populated and it was mostly farm land and the effects were not so harsh.

This kind of flooding is rare. historically anyway.  LIke a one in 60 years event.  But it's a very very warm wet year and we had very heavy rain fall and the temps went up so the snow on the mountains started to melt, and here we go again.  They say that moving forward there will probably be more periods of heavy rain in the future than in the past. 

[herbie]

There were a couple close calls in the 1970s and 1990s but the 2021 flood was the worst since 1948. That one was the Fraser flooding, 2021 and 2025 were the Nuksak in Washington State spilling over due to Atmospheric Rivers.
A solution isn't simple and will sure as hell be expensive. Might even involve letting some of it flood now and then.

 

[eyeball]

There used to be a lake where the most flood prone properties and farms are located.  Apparently it would be cheaper and easier to buy them out and let nature and the water take their natural course than keep throwing expensive mitigation measures like more dams, dykes and pumps at the problem.

The rain events and flooding will only worsen with climate change.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

There used to be a lake where the most flood prone properties and farms are located.  Apparently it would be cheaper and easier to buy them out and let nature and the water take their natural course than keep throwing expensive mitigation measures like more dams, dykes and pumps at the problem.

The rain events and flooding will only worsen with climate change.

I don't know that it's such a good idea to be giving up Prime Farmland in British Columbia. It's not like we have massive amounts of the stuff

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I don't know that it's such a good idea to be giving up Prime Farmland in British Columbia. It's not like we have massive amounts of the stuff

Let the farmers pay for it then if it's that valuable.

Besides which, climate change is going to transform Canada's North into an agricultural super-power or didn't-chya know?

We'll have so much farmland they'll be giving the stuff away.

Edited December 16, 2025 by eyeball

[CdnFox]

54 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Let the farmers pay for it then if it's that valuable.

They did. Who do you think bought the land.

Infrastructure and providing for such things is the government's responsibility. The farmers bought the land, they pay their property taxes, the government has a duty to care and maintain

What you're saying is a stupid as claiming that a city that was about to be overrun by a forest fire should pay for its own fire department to fight the forest fire.

These conversations really would go faster if you were a little less dense

[ExFlyer]

15 hours ago, eyeball said:

There used to be a lake where the most flood prone properties and farms are located.  Apparently it would be cheaper and easier to buy them out and let nature and the water take their natural course than keep throwing expensive mitigation measures like more dams, dykes and pumps at the problem.

The rain events and flooding will only worsen with climate change.

Where did you get that bit of information???   LOL

[herbie]

It's an old Indian legend about a lake there. There is no official history existing before the late 1920a.

All those canals. dykes and pump stations are leftist lies. 
And the feds could have planned, built, made international agreements and fixed the climate and put 100% effective solutions in place in 4 years if they weren't Liberals

[eyeball]

14 hours ago, CdnFox said:

They did. Who do you think bought the land.

Who do you think drained the lake their properties now occupy?

The taxpayer...we've been carrying this cost for farmers for nearly a hundred years and they keep asking for more.

5 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Where did you get that bit of information???   LOL

I saw it on the MSM and then I looked into it further on wiki.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumas_Lake

Fake history like herbie says I guess.

Edited December 16, 2025 by eyeball

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Where did you get that bit of information???   LOL

No, he's (strangely) Correct this time, that used to be a lake that was drained by the royal engineers ages ago to provide farmland and an easy route for the highway. 

But there are very good reasons why they did that and those reasons still apply today

[ExFlyer]

55 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No, he's (strangely) Correct this time, that used to be a lake that was drained by the royal engineers ages ago to provide farmland and an easy route for the highway. 

But there are very good reasons why they did that and those reasons still apply today

Well, if it was a challenge, I believe he is right waaaay more then you. LOL

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Well, if it was a challenge, I believe he is right waaaay more then you. LOL

That's because you're wrong slightly more than him  

As far as the hierarchy goes, it's you as stupidest, him as stupid, and me as patient person that puts up with stupid   

Robosmith is in a class of his own obviously

[ExFlyer]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That's because....

Repeat ...Pisses you off eh?? LOL LOL LOL

Awww... poor baby Loser still crying about LOSING..

Move on pedophile LOSER HA HA HA

[WestCanMan]

On 12/12/2025 at 3:37 PM, CdnFox said:

No, sadly mitigation is quite limited. This is already being brought up as a bone of contention, it's like we learned nothing from 2021.

There's a 200-yr floodplain map for the Fraser Valley, and flooding's always gonna pop up in those places.

[herbie]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

But there are very good reasons why they did that and those reasons still apply today

Lakebottom is almost always great farmland,as is floodplain. Thar lake was extremely shallow with many wetlands and a massive breeding ground for mosquitoes.

Being of a still entirely colonial mindset at the time, they didn't give a tinker's dam about the native tribes, they saw the opportunity to sell off prime farmland and profit and at the same time remove a public health problem. Unfortunately for them, profit never materialized and the reclamation costs exceeded sales. Intermittent flooding saw to that.

70 plus years pf mostly sheer luck after the flood of 1948 has made that land immensely valuable today. We shouldn't think of cementing it over with condos like the Okanagan and Richmond. Especially while we're complaining about the cost of food that would all be imported.

[eyeball]

33 minutes ago, herbie said:

70 plus years pf mostly sheer luck after the flood of 1948 has made that land immensely valuable today. We shouldn't think of cementing it over with condos like the Okanagan and Richmond. Especially while we're complaining about the cost of food that would all be imported.

We should probably be thinking about the fact AGW is forecast to cause worsening flooding over time.

It good be a good case study in the cost of action vs adaptation.

In the meantime...

From AI...

The cost comparison between adapting to and rebuilding from Sumas Plain flooding is the subject of intense debate between researchers and city officials. Recent 2024 and 2025 studies provide conflicting estimates based on whether they prioritize property acquisition (managed retreat) or infrastructure reinforcement.

Managed Retreat (Buyouts) ~$1 Billion Researchers (UBC) estimate that acquiring approximately 1,300 properties on the historic Sumas lakebed would cost around $956 million to $1 billion.

Infrastructure Upgrades $2.4 - $2.8 Billion The City of Abbotsford’s preferred long-term plan includes a new pump station, dike repairs, and floodways, with costs estimated up to $2.8 billion.

Recovery/Damage Costs $4 - $9 Billion Initial 2021 response and recovery costs were estimated at over $4 billion, while some later projections for total rebuilding and infrastructure reinstatement reached nearly $9 billion.

It shouldn't be difficult to predict how AGW will increasingly be what drives food costs higher not to mention public debt to pay for...come what may.