Nazi Democrat Party Member Wants to Criminalize the Truth

[WestCanMan]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ndp-mp-private-members-bill-residential-school-denialism-1.7334916

This NDP scumbag, Lee Gazan, who is too afraid of what people think of her to have a FB page, thinks that it should be a crime to question all the false narratives that left4rds are saying about the residential schools.

All that she wants you to be allowed to say about residential schools is:

• "The residential school system was a genocide designed to wipe out Indigenous cultures, languages, families and heritage. To downplay, deny or justify it is cruel, harmful and hateful."

If you say anything else about the residential schools, regardless of how true it is, she wants you to be convicted as an actual criminal. This is what they did in England, so she's not joking.

For example, you're not allowed to say "Their parents were the world's biggest Luddites, and they wanted their children and all of their future generations to continue to live in the stone age". (In case people - ok, I'm just talking about leftists lol - aren't aware, FN people still didn't have things like BRONZE when the Rez Schools started, which even Cleopatra's ancestors already had... for thousands of years) 

Yup. The only reason white people wanted FN children to go to res schools was to get raped and murdered, according to the new NDP Gospel. We have to pretend that every white person in Canada knew that children were being raped there, they took a secret vote on it, and were unanimously in favour.

It's as if they think that no white children were ever raped or abused by priests and nuns ffs. Leave it to an NDPer to have their head that far up their own ass. 

Edited November 18, 2025 by WestCanMan

[Radiorum]

Defensiveness will not solve the problem of the massive cultural genocide inflicted upon the First Nations people through the residential school system, whether intentional or not.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU.

[WestCanMan]

56 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Defensiveness will not solve the problem of the massive cultural genocide inflicted upon the First Nations people through the residential school system, whether intentional or not.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU.

1) Not welcoming fascism and false narratives from a stupid tw4t isn't really what you'd call "being defensive", and 2) if you're being honest, what they lost was an actual stone-age existence.

2) Was it reasonable for older generations of FN people to demand that their children never learn to read, write, drive a car, use an iphone, fly an airplane, use a computer, or watch a TV, etc?

And if not residential schools, then how do you propose we might have educated kids all across the far north, of no fixed address?

When you think of Rez school days don't think of your cute little neice or cousin who's a teacher,  driving her Mazda 3 with the heater/AC maintaining the perfect temperature all the way to a school with a fixed street address that shows up in a GPS, carrying a cellphone with which can call police from any point on her journey and reasonably expect them to be there within 2 minutes. Don't even think of your cousin's school with insulated walls, a furnace, doors that lock, electric lights, etc.

In 1885, if your cousin wanted to teach some first nations kid in northern BC (Kamloops area), she would have to ride a horse down a wilderness trail, through the wind, rain, and snow, with no cellular phone, and no hope of getting in touch with the police at any point ever on her journey, which was just to a general area where she would have to look for the kids she was supposed to teach, and then implore the parents to give them some time off from their daily tribal duties to attend. While she was on her journey to school she wouldn't be surrounded Timmy's and Starbucks and other cute places to get a cozy beverage, she'd be surrounded by wolves and bears other things that could kill her. She would literally have to carry a pistol, like my grandmother did when she was a teacher. There would be no lights when she got to where she was headed, no school, no fixed address to go even go to, no locking doors, and no furnace. She could only hope that the kids were in the same place as they were last week when she arrived on Monday morning, but there would never be any guarantee of that because the FN people lived in different places at different times of the year. 

Newsflash: your cute little niece or cousin wouldn't even do that job under 1885 conditions. No chance. None of the pencil-necked teachers that you know today would do that job under those conditions.  So the choices available at that time were: 1) stone age for the foreseeable future ,or 2) community schools where the kids congregated, like the rez schools. 

Yeah, I understand how that panned out for some of the kids, but NOT ALL OF THEM. And CANADIANS NEVER MADE THE CONSCIOUS DECISION TO HAVE ANY OF THAT SHIT HAPPEN, so don't act like it was somehow "the collective will of whitey" that some of them got raped and/or lived in terrifying conditions. 

You're supporting a narrative that's an absolute lie from top to bottom, and it's every bit as racist and hateful as rez school denialism or whatever that twat calles it.

FYI not every kid wanted to live the hunter/gatherer life until the end of their days, nor did they want their children to always be powerless stone-age gawkers in a world where they were surrounded by people of the space age. 

 

Can the bullshit, radiourum. What that Lee "twat" Gazan is saying is absolutely false, completely ret4rded, and it's every bit as hateful and racist as the denialism that she's talking about. Lee Gazan is a vile loser and she can go to hell.

[herbie]

Granting any recognition to any group whatsoever somehow depletes his personal rights.
Rights are like Pies, only so much to go around.

[Radiorum]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

And if not residential schools, then how do you propose we might have educated kids all across the far north, of no fixed address?

When you think of Rez school days don't think of your cute little neice or cousin who's a teacher,  driving her Mazda 3 with the heater/AC maintaining the perfect temperature all the way to a school with a fixed street address that shows up in a GPS, carrying a cellphone with which can call police from any point on her journey and reasonably expect them to be there within 2 minutes. Don't even think of your cousin's school with insulated walls, a furnace, doors that lock, electric lights, etc.

In 1885, if your cousin wanted to teach some first nations kid in northern BC (Kamloops area), she would have to ride a horse down a wilderness trail, through the wind, rain, and snow, with no cellular phone, and no hope of getting in touch with the police at any point ever on her journey, which was just to a general area where she would have to look for the kids she was supposed to teach, and then implore the parents to give them some time off from their daily tribal duties to attend. While she was on her journey to school she wouldn't be surrounded Timmy's and Starbucks and other cute places to get a cozy beverage, she'd be surrounded by wolves and bears other things that could kill her. She would literally have to carry a pistol, like my grandmother did when she was a teacher. There would be no lights when she got to where she was headed, no school, no fixed address to go even go to, no locking doors, and no furnace. She could only hope that the kids were in the same place as they were last week when she arrived on Monday morning, but there would never be any guarantee of that because the FN people lived in different places at different times of the year. 

Newsflash: your cute little niece or cousin wouldn't even do that job under 1885 conditions. No chance. None of the pencil-necked teachers that you know today would do that job under those conditions.  So the choices available at that time were: 1) stone age for the foreseeable future ,or 2) community schools where the kids congregated, like the rez schools. 

Yeah, I understand how that panned out for some of the kids, but NOT ALL OF THEM. And CANADIANS NEVER MADE THE CONSCIOUS DECISION TO HAVE ANY OF THAT SHIT HAPPEN, so don't act like it was somehow "the collective will of whitey" that some of them got raped and/or lived in terrifying conditions. 

You're supporting a narrative that's an absolute lie from top to bottom, and it's every bit as racist and hateful as rez school denialism or whatever that twat calles it.

FYI not every kid wanted to live the hunter/gatherer life until the end of their days, nor did they want their children to always be powerless stone-age gawkers in a world where they were surrounded by people of the space age. 

 

Excuse me if I accept the narrative of the First Nations people - the people affected - over yours.

[WestCanMan]

12 hours ago, Radiorum said:

 

Excuse me if I accept the narrative of the First Nations people - the people affected - over yours.

It's not wrong to say that some, or even a lot were sorely mistreated, in a way that should never have been tolerated and which destroyed their lives to an extent which was beyond repair. That was 10,000% real.

What's not real at all is the narrative that all Canadians were a party to a rape/genocide scenario.

Do you think that you're the first white Canadian who ever cared you f'n dipshit? 

Do you think tht no white Canadians cared about their education at all, and it was all about rape and genocide? 

That's so far out of the realm of possibility that you're just purely retarded if you believe that.

 

Just understand this: FN people lived. In. The. Stone age. In the 1800s. Simple fact.

Cleopatra's ancestors were smelting bronze 3,000-4,000 years before she was born, but FN people were still working with sticks and stones in the 1800s. Successfully mind you: it's an incredible feat of human ingenuity and perseverance that they survived 15,000 years in the frozen north with only stuff that you could pick up off the ground and some animal carcasses. But it was still stone age life.

Now here you are, one of the snotty little malcontents who doesn't contribute to society in any meaningful way aside from constantly accusing other people of things that they didn't do, and you're telling us how wrong our ancestors got it. But guess what: if we left the FN people alone to fend off wolves and bears using sticks and stones for the past 100 years, every time one of them got killed you'd blame our racist ancestors for not helping them out of the stone age. Every January you'd be saying "There are still kids living in teepees and igloos out there, sitting in the dark, while we sit in 21° luxury watching TV. Our ancestors were so racist!!!"

Your opinions are just completely founded in ignorance, Radiorum. You're just a guy who really sucks, but you wanna think that you're better than other people who are actually doing things, so you just scream at clouds and say that they're evil, no matter what they do.  

[eyeball]

18 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

We have to pretend that every white person in Canada knew that children were being raped there, they took a secret vote on it, and were unanimously in favour.

Well, contrast this with the Epstein files finally being released.

Ol' whitey, especially the right wing type, is still decades behind the times when it comes to acknowledging the rape of children.

[Nefarious Banana]

Residential schools were not genocide . . . period.  

They might have been bad, but they were not genocidal.

Stop with the genocide narrative.

[WestCanMan]

36 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Well, contrast this with the Epstein files finally being released.

Ol' whitey, especially the right wing type, is still decades behind the times when it comes to acknowledging the rape of children.

So much stupidity crammed into so few words. You've outdone yourself eyeball.

1) pedophilia isn't even a word in a lot of the world. Arabs/muslims marry children and have sex with them. Even mohammed did it.

2) Men having sex with boys is not illegal in the Arab world and parts of Africa

3) I've watched a lot of interviews and read a lot of articles about the Epstein case, and I've still never seen anyone write about any victims 16 or younger. While I'm personally offended by 21+ yr old men having sex with a 17-yr-old, 1) that's not a crime in Canada, 2) how do you know that a guy like Prince Andrew knew that girl was 17? What did she tell him? What did Epstein tell him? Did she come on to him? Was there some drug inducement involved? There's so much guilt heaped on him with almost zero understanding that it's outrageous.

4) The people holding the file are being so selective about what names they release that this will never be more than a series of hit jobs now. Justice is not on the menu. It's a CIA-level takedown/blackmail op at best.

Edited November 19, 2025 by WestCanMan

[Army Guy]

17 hours ago, Radiorum said:

Defensiveness will not solve the problem of the massive cultural genocide inflicted upon the First Nations people through the residential school system, whether intentional or not.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU.

This is about US, this is about every Canadian, accusations have been made but not yet proven.. 

[Legato]

13 hours ago, Radiorum said:

 

Excuse me if I accept the narrative of the First Nations people - the people affected - over yours.

You have no excuse.

I personally know a number of native people (Ojibwe) 4 of which attended a residential school, all say they did not like the schools but now realise they had positive beneficial effect.

[CdnFox]

18 hours ago, Radiorum said:

Defensiveness will not solve the problem of the massive cultural genocide inflicted upon the First Nations people through the residential school system, whether intentional or not.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU.

No massive cultural genocide was inflicted on anybody, and there is no such thing as cultural genocide. That's why genocide comes from the word genos. The only reason people try and shoehorn genocide into the discussion is because it's an emotionally charged word that they feel sounds really bad so if they can somehow include it they think it makes their case stronger. It doesn't

And if it's not about us then stop asking us to pay for it, stop taking our money, stop demanding that the government solve all your problems.

But most of all quit trying to pass laws that take away our rights while using the false claim that somebody took your rights away as an excuse. It's not only not true, it's stupid to say that if it was true

[Venandi]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Well, contrast this with the Epstein files finally being released.

Ol' whitey, especially the right wing type, is still decades behind the times when it comes to acknowledging the rape of children.

Well, we'll find out now and I'm looking forward to it.

I was initially opposed to the release as it would name innocent people and victims alike without much context and I doubt those who are quick to judge would read through thousands of pages to separate the wheat from chaff. In the end it was people of Herb  and Roboduh ilk that convinced me to throw innocents under the bus in the name of transparency.

I'm thinking it won't look good on democrats though and if I were Trump I would have wanted Congress to demand the release too... then cheerfully given them what they wanted. I wouldn't have done it voluntarily. 

Now the great axe can fall with impunity and I wonder if the end result will have Herb and Roboduh screaming foul as high level democratic names get sullied in the process... especially if Trump comes out of it clean as a whistle and I predict that he will. I say because I'm just cynical enough to believe that the Biden DOJ would have been all over it if Trump was implicated.

Now you get your wish... the bad guys probably will be "old whitey" but what if it's not "the right wing type" that's found to be decades behind. I think we may be see "left wing types" in the reticle under full magnification soon.  

As to residential schools, there are actually some native business types who have spoken in support of it as having changed the course of their lives and set them on a road to success that would never have happened without it.

GASP.... should they be muzzled for improper thinking too or should they be the first ones rounded up and charged? Watcha think Herb, jail time maybe?

Edited November 19, 2025 by Venandi

[Radiorum]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

What's not real at all is the narrative that all Canadians were a party to a rape/genocide scenario.

I've never heard this.

 

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Do you think that you're the first white Canadian who ever cared you f'n dipshit? 

Uncalled for. Just stick to the issues.

 

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

ust understand this: FN people lived. In. The. Stone age. In the 1800s. Simple fact.

Cleopatra's ancestors were smelting bronze 3,000-4,000 years before she was born, but FN people were still working with sticks and stones in the 1800s. Successfully mind you: it's an incredible feat of human ingenuity and perseverance that they survived 15,000 years in the frozen north with only stuff that you could pick up off the ground and some animal carcasses. But it was still stone age life.

What an ignorant statement. First Nations peoples had flourishing civilizations before the Europeans came.

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Now here you are, one of the snotty little malcontents who doesn't contribute to society in any meaningful way aside from constantly accusing other people of things that they didn't do, and you're telling us how wrong our ancestors got it. But guess what: if we left the FN people alone to fend off wolves and bears using sticks and stones for the past 100 years, every time one of them got killed you'd blame our racist ancestors for not helping them out of the stone age. Every January you'd be saying "There are still kids living in teepees and igloos out there, sitting in the dark, while we sit in 21° luxury watching TV. Our ancestors were so racist!!!"

You're still making it about you.

 

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Your opinions are just completely founded in ignorance, Radiorum. You're just a guy who really sucks, but you wanna think that you're better than other people who are actually doing things, so you just scream at clouds and say that they're evil, no matter what they do.  

Lol! You sound so ridiculous.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Venandi said:

Now you get your wish... the bad guys probably will be "old whitey" but what if it's not "the right wing type" that's found to be decades behind. I think we may be see "left wing types" in the reticle under full magnification soon.

I suppose except from where I'm sitting in Canada Democrats are right wing. They be considered Progressive Conservative or maybe Social Credit up here. 

But of course I also vote for Khmer Orange/Green...Trudeau was to right wing for my liking too.

Suffice to say it'll be the rich and powerful, the more relevant factor when distinguishing between right and left IMO, that's squirming under the magnifying glass. 

Edited November 19, 2025 by eyeball

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Radiorum said:

I've never heard this.

You missed the Truth and Reconciliation BS, and Trudeau's comments about genocide.

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Uncalled for. Just stick to the issues.

It's true, and you should deal with your issues.

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What an ignorant statement. First Nations peoples had flourishing civilizations before the Europeans came.

Google "Stone Age".

Here's a starter:

• The Stone Age was a broad prehistoric period during which stone was widely used to make stone tools with an edge, a point, or a percussion surface. The period lasted for roughly 3.4 million years [1] and ended between 4000 BC and 2000 BC, with the advent of metalworking. 

Metalworking... Can you point to when and where FN people in Canada started metalworking?

Didn't think so. 

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

 

Metalworking... Can you point to when and where FN people in Canada started metalworking?

Didn't think so. 

Actually always confused me a little. They knew that there was copper, they knew how to find copper but I guess they just never figured out how to turn copper into something useful. When Europeans showed up and showed them copper then you right away that they'd seen it before and where it was. That'll working tends to start with copper and it was around and it just seems odd to me that all across what would become Canada none of them ever realized what you could do with it.

[Legato]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

I suppose except from where I'm sitting in Canada Democrats are right wing. They be considered Progressive Conservative or maybe Social Credit up here. 

 

 

 

Time to vacate that seat.

The Democrats have not been right wing since Obama butchered the party with his divisive policies.

Today with the Occasional Cortex types taking over, they've become like the Stars & Stripes NDP.

[Radiorum]

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Truth and Reconciliation

Not bullshit. I'm very proud we live in a country that recognizes past harms and addresses them to move towards reconciliation. Otherwise, there will be a national trauma from which we cannot heal. All citizens deserve to feel that they are full and complete members of our nation, and if they don't we need to address that. It requires an openness to accepting the truth. We must make peace with the ghosts of our nation.

 

11 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Trudeau's comments about genocide.

Don't make it about Trudeau. It's not about Trudeau.

 

12 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Google "Stone Age".

Okay, so you seem to be saying the level of technology of a civilization determines their validity. I respectfully disagree. 

 

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Not bullshit. I'm very proud we live in a country that recognizes past harms and addresses them to move towards reconciliation. Otherwise, there will be a national trauma from which we cannot heal.

 

We don't seem to be able to heal now. When asked first nations are still saying that reconciliation may never happen or if it does it'll be hundreds of years from now. That's not reconciliation.

If we're talking about real truth and reconciliation it means that both sides have to look at what they can do different and their responsibilities in the process as well. First nations are quick to blame whitey, they're very slow to look at their own role that they played both in residential schoolsin the ongoing trauma that they are not resolving.

When does truth and reconciliation stop being truth and reconciliation and become guilt and exploitation? I feel like we might be getting close

[Radiorum]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

When asked first nations are still saying that reconciliation may never happen or if it does it'll be hundreds of years from now.

This is just false. Consider the First Nations Haida, in BC, given title to the lands on Haida Gwaii, marking a significant milestone in the journey to not only self-sufficiency, but reconciliation. They are a dynamic, robust community, and isn't that what we want for all First Nations?

12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

First nations are quick to blame whitey

Defensive and unsubstantiated

 

12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

stop being truth and reconciliation and become guilt and exploitation?

I know it's difficult to understand where the First Nations are coming from, but it helps if you don't make it about yourself, and read up on the history.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Radiorum said:

Not bullshit. I'm very proud we live in a country that recognizes past harms and addresses them to move towards reconciliation. Otherwise, there will be a national trauma from which we cannot heal. All citizens deserve to feel that they are full and complete members of our nation, and if they don't we need to address that.

You just don't understand the length and breadth of the accusations made against all Canadians, and the reasoning behind the intentional omission of all the goodwill involved.

FYI the residential schools weren't set up exclusively for the purposes of raping all FN children. 

FYI not all FN kids were raped. 

FYI not all Canadians were aware that so much harm was being done to so many children. 

You just have a total lack of understanding of the situation, and how badly it is being mischaracterized.

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It requires an openness to accepting the truth. 

There you go using the word "truth", as if it has any meaning to you, while you're supporting a narrative that is entirely false. 

Truth and Reconciliation is actually just Mistruths and Revisionist History. 

I get that the narrative works on rubes, cultists, and everyone who hates white people, but I simply won't be bound by some lying c--- to either keep my mouth shut or spread their lies.

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Radiorum said:

This is just false. Consider the First Nations Haida, in BC, given title to the lands on Haida Gwaii, marking a significant milestone in the journey to not only self-sufficiency, but reconciliation. They are a dynamic, robust community, and isn't that what we want for all First Nations?

You think they're satisfied, you think they don't want government money anymore, you think that story is done?

Sorry but no. If you ask any of them whether or not reconciliation is complete and they are reconciled with the Canadian government or the people of Canada they're going to say  not even close

5 hours ago, Radiorum said:

Defensive and unsubstantiated

I assume you're referring to your reply. Because it absolutely is. Mine was a simple statement of truth. You will not have to look very hard to find talk about how everything is the:Ial's fault and that we're all settlers and they use those terms in the most derogatory, if possible, expressions. And if you've never been called whitey before you've never lived in British Columbia

5 hours ago, Radiorum said:

I know it's difficult to understand where the First Nations are coming from, but it helps if you don't make it about yourself, and read up on the history.

It's not hard in the slightest. And I know where they're going now.

And unfortunately it's the first nations that make it all about me and people like me. That's the whole point of reconciliation isn't it. I need to do something to make their life better because they're unable to do it on their own. Canada needs to give them something and solve all their problems because they can't on their own.

I mean that's the whole point. I'd be entirely thrilled if they didn't involve me in it and I would wish them the best, but they insist that I am somehow involved

So if you don't think it should be all about me you have to speak to them. Because they are insisting it is.

[Venandi]

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Canada needs to give them something and solve all their problems because they can't on their own.

Agreed and I don't see a simple solution to it especially since they also want autonomy in addition to treaty (type) settlements. IMO, there are a number of practical limitations to what whitey can even do about it. I'm of the mind that if you want autonomy then cool... here ya go get er done

What do you think of the idea of simply turning over the entire proceeds of the departments budget to status holding natives in the form of personal income and allowing individual bands the autonomy to tax their own people at a rate consistent with their own (individual and unique) objectives.

That's pretty broad brush but I would see it as being a taxable income for those living off a reserve (in the previous tax year) and a tax free payment to those living on a reserve with the caveat that the band would tax any (or even claw back all) the payment in support of their own needs. 

In other words, instead of government spending vast sums and getting it wrong, give them the money directly and let em dance. 

Edited November 20, 2025 by Venandi

[WestCanMan]

This sounds mean, but I don't think that helping FN people, to the extent that we do, is good for them.

Look at the Jews, for example. In the ME and Europe, all anyone ever does is slaughter them or discriminate against them, and try to crush them economically. But the Jews are doing a pretty good job of making money and defending themselves from 2B muslims who want them all dead.

Im not saying that we should turn muslim and try to kill all the FN people, but the free homes, free money, free university tuition, free dental, free medical, lack of income taxes, etc, doesn't seem to be helping them.  

They survived 15,000 years in the frozen north with sticks and stones, but they're not doing so well in the age of cars and central heating.