Biden immigration policies under fire after illegal immigrant with prior DUIs charged in 14-year-old's death

[Nationalist]

When is enough...enough?

How many need to die at the hands of illegals before Libbies finally admit this is disgusting and all these illegals must go?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/biden-immigration-policies-fire-illegal-immigrant-prior-duis-charged-14-year-olds-death

The whole "asylum" bullshit is killing people daily now.

Just how many lives will it cost Libbies?

[Michael Hardner]

If we're citing individual cases as a basis for criticizing policy, there are reports of American citizens being picked up by ICE.

[Fluffypants]

7 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

If we're citing individual cases as a basis for criticizing policy, there are reports of American citizens being picked up by ICE.

Probably those citizens who obstruct them from doing their jobs. 

[CdnFox]

26 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

If we're citing individual cases as a basis for criticizing policy, there are reports of American citizens being picked up by ICE.

And? People are picked up by the police and investigated and released when found to be innocent all the time. What's the problem?

You can't honestly expect the police to only take into custody guilty people before they've investigated   "You're honor, the proof that he's guilty is that we arrested him in the first place! We never arrest innocent people!"

[robosmith]

34 minutes ago, Fluffypants said:

Probably those citizens who obstruct them from doing their jobs. 

Probably you're JUST GUESSING.

[Legato]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

If we're citing individual cases as a basis for criticizing policy, there are reports of American citizens being picked up by ICE.

So how many need to die at the hands of illegals?

[Michael Hardner]

48 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Probably you're JUST GUESSING.

https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-citizens-arrested-detained-against-will

Based on this reporting, 40 cases where they weren't involved in protests.

[Deluge]

This is an acceptable loss for the democrat cult. What's most important to them is open borders, and queers dictating policy. 

[bush_cheney2004]

11 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Based on this reporting, 40 cases where they weren't involved in protests.

 

And they will get "due process" after detention and/or arrest.   This happens many times each day in the U.S. by local police, particularly in lower income neighborhoods.   It is intentional policing...all they need is reasonable suspicion for detention and probable cause for arrest.   Police don't care about "will".

I was detained at gunpoint, in cuffs by police many years ago for armed robbery of a local bar while on military leave just because I "fit the description".    Police detain and arrest innocent Americans all the time.   

[robosmith]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

And they will get "due process" after detention and/or arrest.   This happens many times each day in the U.S. by local police, particularly in lower income neighborhoods.   It is intentional policing...all they need is reasonable suspicion for detention and probable cause for arrest.   Police don't care about "will".

I was detained at gunpoint, in cuffs by police many years ago for armed robbery of a local bar while on military leave just because I "fit the description".    Police detain and arrest innocent Americans all the time.   

It is much more common among UNTRAINED ICE agents. That's what happens when they offer big bucks for MASS HIRING of 10,000 agents. 🤮

[Michael Hardner]

4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

I was detained at gunpoint, in cuffs by police many years ago for armed robbery of a local bar while on military leave just because I "fit the description".     

I am so sorry.  I know African-Americans such as yourself are routinely treated poorly by police.

Good thoughts, my friend.  

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

It is much more common among UNTRAINED ICE agents. That's what happens when they offer big bucks for MASS HIRING of 10,000 agents. 🤮

 

Thank you for admitting that it is still common for TRAINED police....many more instances than with ICE.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

I am so sorry.  I know African-Americans such as yourself are routinely treated poorly by police.

Good thoughts, my friend.  

 

Well, I didn't mean to be glib about it, but this is routine policing in America.   This is what the illegals wanted...the complete American dream !

[robosmith]

4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Thank you for admitting that it is still common for TRAINED police....many more instances than with ICE.

I never said that. My comment was ONLY about UNTRAINED ICE agents.

[gatomontes99]

7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

If we're citing individual cases as a basis for criticizing policy, there are reports of American citizens being picked up by ICE.

Don't you think intent has importance? In the case of illegals, the intent was to allow people that expressly violated the law to do so without consequences that led to new consequences for those that were not involved. Versus ICE mistakenly detaining and then releasing those with the legal right to live in the US. 

Edited November 3, 2025 by gatomontes99

[Nationalist]

7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

If we're citing individual cases as a basis for criticizing policy, there are reports of American citizens being picked up by ICE.

So.

Fcking 

What?

This is about illegals killing citizens. A KID in this case. What the fck is wrong with you?

[User]

9 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

If we're citing individual cases as a basis for criticizing policy, there are reports of American citizens being picked up by ICE.

The obvious difference here is that we don't support those mistakes, which is what they are. Those things are rectified and not OK.

As opposed to folks like you supporting the open borders lawlessness and madness that leads to these deaths, rapes, murders, violent crimes, and other crimes harming Americans. 

 

7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I am so sorry.  I know African-Americans such as yourself are routinely treated poorly by police.

How do you know this? What do you base that on?

 

[Michael Hardner]

14 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Don't you think intent has importance?  

Possibly, yes, but I'm always suspicious of anecdotal analysis.  We should always look at trusted summary numbers.

[Michael Hardner]

13 hours ago, Nationalist said:

 A KID in this case. What the fck is wrong with you?

I analyze facts with my brain.

It's tempting to look at sad stories, but The paradox is we actually have to ignore sad stories, and our emotions as a general approach and adopt a system thinking approach. 

This is not a thing that the bleeding heart liberals have ever been in favor of either by the way 

 

Back when I was debating the free trade agreement in the 1980s, people would actually make the case that there should not be a single layoff... No single person should see hardship as a result of trade agreements. 

Even if you're lowering groceries for tens of millions of Canadians, the argument went, you shouldn't lay off one single dairy Farmer. 

Although it's a heartless calculus, The smarter way to approach it is systems thinking

[User]

37 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Possibly, yes, but I'm always suspicious of anecdotal analysis.  We should always look at trusted summary numbers.

Except you don’t do that here either.

This is just one of your obfuscation tactics. 

[Deluge]

21 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

If we're citing individual cases as a basis for criticizing policy, there are reports of American citizens being picked up by ICE.

Catch and release. 

21 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

Probably those citizens who obstruct them from doing their jobs. 

This. 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

I analyze facts with my brain.

It's tempting to look at sad stories, but The paradox is we actually have to ignore sad stories, and our emotions as a general approach and adopt a system thinking approach. 

This is not a thing that the bleeding heart liberals have ever been in favor of either by the way 

 

Back when I was debating the free trade agreement in the 1980s, people would actually make the case that there should not be a single layoff... No single person should see hardship as a result of trade agreements. 

Even if you're lowering groceries for tens of millions of Canadians, the argument went, you shouldn't lay off one single dairy Farmer. 

Although it's a heartless calculus, The smarter way to approach it is systems thinking

Ignore the stories? Ignore this.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/09/16/ice-arrests-criminal-illegal-aliens-convicted-child-rape-murder-and-violent-assault

There is NO "systems thinking" that can or even should attempt to excuse this. Nor should citizens be in a position to be exposed to this filth.

Yet I must ask...

What reason might you be able to come up with to justify this...disgusting situation Brandon and his administration created?

[User]

58 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

 

What reason might you be able to come up with to justify this...disgusting situation Brandon and his administration created?

They can’t. It’s why he ignores it and refuses to actually address it.

It’s a dumb dishonest childish game. 
 

If one person falls off a building at a job site, because he had no safety harness and no railing, we don’t throw up our arms and say oh well, that’s just one anecdotal story, nothing to see here… no, we point out rightly that there were no railings and no safety harness and if there were the person would still be alive today. 
 

People like @Michael Hardnercant intelligently defend their positions so they obfuscate instead, or hide like cowards. 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Ignore the stories? Ignore this.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/09/16/ice-arrests-criminal-illegal-aliens-convicted-child-rape-murder-and-violent-assault

There is NO "systems thinking" that can or even should attempt to excuse this. Nor should citizens be in a position to be exposed to this filth.

Yet I must ask...

What reason might you be able to come up with to justify this...disgusting situation Brandon and his administration created?

Nothing justifies it. 

Systems thinking aims to reduce it on a wholesale level. 

So, that's just how it works

[User]

46 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Nothing justifies it. 

Systems thinking aims to reduce it on a wholesale level. 

So, that's just how it works

What systems thinking?

The point here is that Biden and leftists support the open borders lawlessness that leads to these situations.

This is the system folks on the left want, support, and ignore the negative outcomes of like this.

Then when we point out the consequences like this here, you ignore them.