Misgendering Is Calling Someone Born With A Penis A Woman Or Someone Born With A Vagina A Man

[Venandi]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

For the same reason you can't identify as a giant, a truck, a dinosaur etc. 

I don't want to put words in your mouth but:

... you seem to be suggesting that a 60 something man who spends hours everyday training and can physically out preform the majority of 25-30 year olds currently serving rises to the spectre of a truck or dinosaur the moment he seeks to be identified as a capable contender for service after mandatory retirement age. 

.... on the other hand, you suggest that a man can morph into a women (and vice versa) simply because he/she feels like it.

If so, I think you have your dinosaur analogy exactly backwards and if you hope to gain support for you theory of "POOF" a man is a women" then you are going to have to expand the definition of identity outward to include identities (or even equivalencies) that can actually be certified with objective and scientifically backed performance standards.

 

Edited October 27, 2025 by Venandi

[Michael Hardner]

56 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

1. Is it just US being resistant to change, or now just accepting what ever life decides to change, that there is no boundaries or norms , that today WE as a collective have to accept people who think they are animals, or fire trucks, etc, or use the unlimited pronouns that they themselves have made up, and we are expected to use for their mental health.. Myself i go out of my way not to inter act with people who are having difficulties with mental health issues...

.2. ..and then the fact we already for the most part excepting trans people and their mental health issues, but now they want it all meaning the sports portion.... 

1. I would say that there are boundries and norms.  We don't have to accept that people are things that we all agree are ridiculous.

2. Like I said - 2 different issues.

[Michael Hardner]

5 minutes ago, Venandi said:

 

1. ... you seem to be suggesting that a 60 something man who spends hours everyday training and can physically out preform the majority of 25-30 year olds currently serving rises to the spectre of a truck or dinosaur the moment he seeks to be identified as a capable contender for service after mandatory retirement age. 

 

1.  No, I was answering the general case - "What if a person insists on identifying as [X]"  If people are challengeing ageist norms, then that indeed is something that has popular support.
 

[User]

11 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1.  No, I was answering the general case - "What if a person insists on identifying as [X]"  If people are challengeing ageist norms, then that indeed is something that has popular support.
 

No, you have no ability to offer a logical, rational, fact based response to defend your silly positions so you keep obscuring this with subjective “norms” or popularity, but even then won’t give any specific standards.

 

 

[User]

19 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. I would say that there are boundries and norms.  We don't have to accept that people are things that we all agree are ridiculous.

2. Like I said - 2 different issues.

We don’t have to accept things that are ridiculous because they are ridiculous. It doesn’t matter how many people play along.

Truth is truth. Reality is reality. Facts are facts.

You can’t argue those things, so you keep playing this game with giving no specifics.

They are the same issue. You can’t sit here defending a man saying he is a woman, that this should be accepted, and then in the next breath say it’s not the same thing when that man wants to be treated like a woman. 

 

[Venandi]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

We don't have to accept that people are things that we all agree are ridiculous.

It seems we're in agreement then and only the definition of profound ridiculousness is left to be considered, I doubt we'll manage to resolve it though.

While I used the example of a fit older person identifying as a 25 year old it was somewhat tongue in cheek even though the concept itself seems more credible and even measurable (by objective performance testing) than the spontaneous conversion of male to female by virtue of wishing it to be so,

To date, my roosters have been curiously uncooperative with egg production despite being repeatedly debriefed on their new identities. 

How's that for ridiculous?

IMO though, it's not far removed from what you seem to be supporting yourself whilst claiming parallel lines of ridiculous logic to be, well.... ridiculous.

 

 

Edited October 27, 2025 by Venandi

[Michael Hardner]

3 minutes ago, Venandi said:

1. It seems we're in agreement then and only the definition of profound ridiculousness is left to be considered, I doubt we'll manage to resolve it though.

2. While I used the example of a fit older person identifying as a 25 year old it was somewhat tongue in cheek even though the concept itself seems more credible and even measurable (by objective, performance testing) than the spontaneous conversion of male to female by virtue of wishing it to be so,

3. To date, my roosters have been curiously uncooperative with egg production despite being repeatedly debriefed on their new identities. How's that for ridiculous?

4. IMO though, it's not far removed from what you seem to be supporting yourself whilst claiming parallel lines of ridiculous logic to be, well.... ridiculous.

 

 

1. And as I said, it goes back to a numbers game.  For years people were appalled that shops would open on Sunday right ?
2.The change is actually to make "gender" a social construct vs biological definition.  It's not to change biological definitions.
3. Yeah, I get it.
4. Did I say I support it ?  I don't think I did.  I'm trying to help you navigate through the change, otherwise you might think everyone is insane.  Imagine how hard it would be to live in a world like that.  So, I'm helping you. 

[Venandi]

15 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

So, I'm helping you. 

Thanks...

What do I do about the damn roosters though?

[User]

16 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

2.The change is actually to make "gender" a social construct vs biological definition.  It's not to change biological definitions.

LOL, except people like you can’t explain the difference in any meaningful way especially when it comes to how under this guise gender is not just an identity but what someone is. 

when a man says he IS a woman, it’s not just a social construct anymore, it’s an objective claim that simply isn’t true.

 

 

[Venandi]

4 minutes ago, User said:

...when a man says he IS a woman, it’s not just a social construct anymore, it’s an objective claim that simply isn’t true.

 

You've been advising my roosters haven't you? That's what they think too.

 

Edited October 27, 2025 by Venandi

[eyeball]

8 hours ago, Venandi said:

If I can cut the medical and hang with the 20 somethings in terms of selection criteria, why can't I identify as 25 years old and be afforded the opportunities I'm currently denied solely by virtue of birth?

What opportunities are you being denied by virtue of your birthdate? Most of the people I work with are 25 year olds. I have to make the same medical cut as they do.

I mean sure, it's not like the old days where skippers could routinely make deckhands whither and cry - nowadays the labour board would be all over us. It's a world gone mad I tell you.

Anyway I've had a couple of theys and thems for deckhands that are keen to become Masters one day. It'll be interesting to see how they deal with the virtue of that on their certification.

I'm not aware of any skippers that are women who've insisted they be referred to as the vessel's Mistress yet.

Edited October 27, 2025 by eyeball

[User]

@Michael Hardner are you hiding from me or ignoring me?

Have the courage of your convictions and come out and defend your ideas from scrutiny! 

[User]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What opportunities are you being denied by virtue of your birthdate? Most of the people I work with are 25 year olds. I have to make the same medical cut as they do

What a silly question.

I want to identify as retirement age and start collecting my Social Security and Medicare.

I miss out on senior discounts too.

 

 

[herbie]

Defend your own fixation on other people's genitals, pervert.
You're the one that needs counselling if you're uncomfortable with that fetish.

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, User said:

What a silly question.

Yeah, I'm curious to see what they answer too.

4 minutes ago, User said:

I want to identify as retirement age and start collecting my Social Security and Medicare.

I miss out on senior discounts too.

Grow up...

[User]

5 minutes ago, herbie said:

Defend your own fixation on other people's genitals, pervert.
You're the one that needs counselling if you're uncomfortable with that fetish.

He screamed into the void…

[herbie]

4 minutes ago, User said:

He screamed into the void…

that's between User's ears.

[User]

5 minutes ago, herbie said:

that's between User's ears.

Oh wow, look at you! You can use the quote button and direct a comment towards someone.

Give yourself a yellow star!

[Michael Hardner]

14 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Grow up...

There's a segment of new populists who want to rule peoples' lives.

They complain about Democrats and Liberals who finger-wag but tell you who you can sleep with, how you can dress.

Soe of them don't like it when I explain that I'm conservative even...  

[Venandi]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

...but tell you who you can sleep with, how you can dress.

That's simply not true and I think you know it.

They don't care who you sleep with, how you dress, which of the 54 genders you identify with or what flag is at the end of your driveway.

They just don't want you mowing down young ladies on the soccer pitch, setting powerlifting records that will stand in perpetuity in the women's division, and then showering with their granddaughters after the game.

Ya I know, those populists sound "ridiculous" don't they? 

Now... back to my rooster problem if you please.

 

 

[Goddess]

So all the progressives here are IN FAVOUR of letting any man, who merely has to CLAIM he's a woman, stand in the bathroom staring at your daughter or granddaughter while she deals with a menstruation mishap. 

None of you have any concern that this makes nearly 100% of real, actual women uncomfortable.

So once again, women must bow and sacrifice to men's feelings.

It's amazing to me that men, even after they claim to be women, the first thing they want to do is marginalize and take rights away from women.

[WestCanMan]

8 minutes ago, Goddess said:

So all the progressives here are IN FAVOUR of letting any man, who merely has to CLAIM he's a woman, stand in the bathroom staring at your daughter or granddaughter while she deals with a menstruation mishap. 

None of you have any concern that this makes nearly 100% of real, actual women uncomfortable.

So once again, women must bow and sacrifice to men's feelings.

It's amazing to me that men, even after they claim to be women, the first thing they want to do is marginalize and take rights away from women.

Let's be clear: this isn't "men" doing anything. 

I'm not taking even 1% of the blame for the latest round of delusional BS that's being inflicted on women and children by Dem/LPOC cultists. 

[taxme]

On 10/25/2025 at 1:36 PM, Venandi said:

Does that mean you have no objection to me self identifying as a native woman and going fishing?

Personally, I think that's more reasonable than mowing down young ladies on the soccer pitch and joining them in the change room for a shower after the game.

You can go as a native woman and go fishing all you want, but please do not ask the taxpayer's of this country to have to buy you a fishing rod and lures. The taxpayer's have given you millions of their tax dollars for decades now to have been able to help you open up a few more fishing stores and be able to sell boats on the side. Just saying. 😇

[taxme]

On 10/25/2025 at 6:03 PM, eyeball said:

Speaking for myself I laugh at how much you people prioritize your opposition to issues you all too often need to go looking for to find.

Its like for very conservative reaction to something that isn't a big deal a progressive action follows that amplifies it.

It's like a feedback loop where fads are triggered as easily as they trigger.

How many boys grew their hair long and girls wore pants when it became obvious how easily these triggered the establishment and their parents back in the day?

 

At least in the good old days, men were seen as men and women were seen as women and all was good. Now we have men that want to change their gender and want to become a woman and be able to wear a skirt and swim and compete  with other women where the men will always win.

Those trans people cannot win with men in sports so they have decided that they want to become a woman and compete in women's sports so they can win and take home the trophy. 

It is a far cry from today when boys wearing long hair and women wore pants. At least in those days they did not want or even thought about switching genders like men and women are doing today. 

Do you think that it is alright for men to want to be able to change genders just so that they can compete and swim with other women and beat them in sports and also to be able to enter women's change rooms to change and show off their junk to the other women in that change room? Would you like to have your daughter get undressed and expose her private parts to a pervert who can now declare himself as a woman? 

All this trans nonsense bullshit is just more left wing lieberalism being allowed to run rampant and wild once again and try to phk up everything that was once normal and decent and make things now appear immoral and indecent? 

Leftist Lieberalism is truly a very dangerous and sick disease and needs to be eradicated now for human sake. 🤔

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Venandi said:

1. That's simply not true and I think you know it.

2. They just don't want you mowing down young ladies on the soccer pitch, setting powerlifting records that will stand in perpetuity in the women's division, and then showering with their granddaughters after the game.

3. Ya I know, those populists sound "ridiculous" don't they? 

4. Now... back to my rooster problem if you please.

 

 

1. I don't know it.  A lot of the neo populists want to tell you what you can and can't say. 

2. That's just an excuse. Look on this thread, people are gleeful that the number of trans people are going down. Down. Why do they care? According to you they don't. 

3. They are ridiculous people I would say, because their principles are skewed.

4. Eat the rooster. Cut your losses.