Leftist Violence in Chicago....Again

[User]

6 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Disagree. Governors and Mayors say they don't need but Trump needs to further divide the country for his own self-serving interests.

Those Governors and Mayors are ignoring the violence, destruction of property and interference with federal law enforcement operations. 

[robosmith]

12 minutes ago, West said:

Chicago is a cesspool with a 23 in 100,000 murder rate. Afraid I wouldnt come out alive

So you have no idea what you're talking about. I went to college on the South side in the heart of the projects.

It's not nearly as dangerous as YOU BELIEVE.

[West]

31 minutes ago, robosmith said:

So you have no idea what you're talking about. I went to college on the South side in the heart of the projects.

It's not nearly as dangerous as YOU BELIEVE.

A 22 in 100000 murder rate is just normal stuff eh 😆 

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, Fluffypants said:

They say they don't need Trump because hes Trump if it were Biden they would roll out the red carpet and get on their knees to pleasure him in gratitude

They are only there to protect ICE facilities from left wing crazies because the Democrats refuse to do anything about the riots.

It has nothing to do with Biden.  This is all Trump, his ego and quest to divide the country.

[miketx]

On 10/4/2025 at 4:09 PM, robosmith said:

It was def right wing violence when ICE raided an ENTIRE APARTMENT BUILDING and BUSTED EVERY DOOR WITHOUT a WARRANT.

 

 

6:27

 

YouTube · MSNBC

 

'F--- them kids': ICE agents drag children out of bed, ransack ...

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1 day ago

ICE raids Chicago apartment building, detaining residents including children, sparking outrage and legal challenges.

 

Right wing don't do that stuff. Stop lying.

[Deluge]

On 10/4/2025 at 3:09 PM, robosmith said:

It was def right wing violence when ICE raided an ENTIRE APARTMENT BUILDING and BUSTED EVERY DOOR WITHOUT a WARRANT.

 

 

6:27

 

YouTube · MSNBC

 

'F--- them kids': ICE agents drag children out of bed, ransack ...

YouTube · 

1 day ago

ICE raids Chicago apartment building, detaining residents including children, sparking outrage and legal challenges.

 

Do as we say, not as we do. 

-- the left

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, West said:

A 22 in 100000 murder rate is just normal stuff eh 😆 

According to USFacts Cook County (Chicago and metro area) it's 15.8 per 100,000.

Los Angeles and Cook Counties are also the two most populated counties in the country. When adjusted for population, Cook County’s 15.8 homicides per 100,000 people ranked 17th among 63 large-central metro US counties with reliable data, and Los Angeles County’s 6.8 ranked 37th.

That's actually pretty good (if you can say that) when you compare it to some red cities like New Orleans (46), Memphis (41), St Louis (38), etc, etc, etc...   

County	Major City	Homicides per 100,000 people	Homicides
Orleans Parish, LA	New Orleans	46 46	166
Shelby County, TN	Memphis	41 41	372 372
	St. Louis	38 38	106
	Baltimore	36 36	205 205
	Washington, DC	36 36	244 244
Jefferson County, AL	Birmingham	28 28	187 187
Philadelphia County, PA	Philadelphia	26 26	402 402

https://usafacts.org/articles/which-cities-have-the-highest-murder-rates/

 

Red, blue, green or purple... fair to say the US has a problem here.

[User]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

It has nothing to do with Biden.  This is all Trump, his ego and quest to divide the country.

It has everything to do with Biden. He was the one who opened the floodgates to this illegal immigration madness more than ever before.

 

[Fluffypants]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

It has nothing to do with Biden.  This is all Trump, his ego and quest to divide the country.

Where the hell have you been? This country is already divided and has been for a very long time.

Here is the truth, the Democrats are doing everything to keep him from doing anything and then will turn around at election time and say Trump didn't do anything

So yeah its about his ego and the fact hes screwed if he does and screwed if he doesn't because you libs are going to demonize him no matter what.

Edited October 6, 2025 by Fluffypants

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, West said:

A 22 in 100000 murder rate is just normal stuff eh 😆 

I survived 4 years living there with NO PROBLEMS.

The thing you don't understand is the murder rate is fueled by black on black gang violence fighting over drug trade turf.

The ONLY time anyone else is involved is when they make mistakes.

12 minutes ago, Fluffypants said:

Where the hell have you been? This country is already divided and has been for a very long time.

Here is the truth, the Democrats are doing everything to keep him from doing anything and then will turn around at election time and say Trump didn't do anything

So yeah its about his ego and the fact hes screwed if he does and screwed if he doesn't because you libs are going to demonize him no matter what.

Trump's DOINGS are HUGELY UNPOPULAR. His POLLS are in the toilet for all issues.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

It has nothing to do with Biden.  This is all Trump, his ego and quest to divide the country.

It has everything to do with biden and it's childish to pretend otherwise. 

Biden had a number of choices. He inhereted a closed border and opened it right up. That was a choice and it made a lot of people angry, he could have handled that better.  In the 4 years he was in office biden could have enacted a pathway to legalize these people but chose not to. Biden further tried to call anyone who cared about the issue a racist. 

So. That leads to trump's response. There would have been no public support for trump's response during the election if biden had not openly and deliberatey promoted widescale illegal migration. 

Actions have consequences.  Trump is one of the consequences of biden's actions. 

16 minutes ago, Fluffypants said:

Where the hell have you been? This country is already divided and has been for a very long time.

Here is the truth, the Democrats are doing everything to keep him from doing anything and then will turn around at election time and say Trump didn't do anything

So yeah its about his ego and the fact hes screwed if he does and screwed if he doesn't because you libs are going to demonize him no matter what.

LIke i said. there wouldn't have been support for this if biden had just handled the situation better when he was in power, one way or another. But he took a closed border and threw the doors open and encouraged massive amounts of illegal immigration.  Well of course there's going to be a blowback to that, and his actions have consequences.  Trump is the consequence the left have to live with because they didn't do their job when they were in power. 

[CDN1]

3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

How about St Louis, or Detroit, or New Orleans, or Atlanta, or Memphis, or Kansas City, or Cleveland, etc, etc, etc....   Same thing, democrats?

Lol. Hmmmm.... what's the commonality there? Who is committing the overwhelming majority of murders in all of those cities? Same demographic votes nearly 90% Democrat.

 

 

Edited October 6, 2025 by CDN1

[LinkSoul60]

31 minutes ago, Fluffypants said:

Where the hell have you been? This country is already divided and has been for a very long time.

Here is the truth, the Democrats are doing everything to keep him from doing anything and then will turn around at election time and say Trump didn't do anything

So yeah its about his ego and the fact hes screwed if he does and screwed if he doesn't because you libs are going to demonize him no matter what.

Absolutely it has. When Trump left office the first time it was the most divided it's been since the civil war.  That's just the start of his lasting legacy.

I don't follow all your bills closely enough but thought it was a republican controlled house and senate?  Kudos to the democrats though for trying to block his scatterbrained ideas.  

Bang on...  the guys got an ego.  The thing is he brings it on himself pretty much daily, don't you think.  

[LinkSoul60]

16 minutes ago, CDN1 said:

Lol. Hmmmm.... what's the commonality there? Who is committing the overwhelming majority of murders in all of those cities? Same demographic votes nearly 90% Democrat.

 

 

Because democrats tend to live in the cities where Trump gets his vote from the rural.  Commonality for sure it's in the red States he's not addressing.  

[Legato]

2 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Absolutely it has. When Trump left office the first time it was the most divided it's been since the civil war.  That's just the start of his lasting legacy.

I don't follow all your bills closely enough but thought it was a republican controlled house and senate?  Kudos to the democrats though for trying to block his scatterbrained ideas.  

Bang on...  the guys got an ego.  The thing is he brings it on himself pretty much daily, don't you think.  

Horse puckey's. The massive division was when Obama left office.

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, Legato said:

Horse puckey's. The massive division was when Obama left office.

This is true. He was called by many of the time the most divisive president that had ever been. Well on the surface preaching unity he was all about creating intersectional coalitions and enraging them in order to gain their votes.

[LinkSoul60]

45 minutes ago, Legato said:

Horse puckey's. The massive division was when Obama left office.

Sure, whatever a horse puckey is...  I'll look up who came into office when Obama left. The name escapes me.

[West]

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

According to USFacts Cook County (Chicago and metro area) it's 15.8 per 100,000.

Los Angeles and Cook Counties are also the two most populated counties in the country. When adjusted for population, Cook County’s 15.8 homicides per 100,000 people ranked 17th among 63 large-central metro US counties with reliable data, and Los Angeles County’s 6.8 ranked 37th.

That's actually pretty good (if you can say that) when you compare it to some red cities like New Orleans (46), Memphis (41), St Louis (38), etc, etc, etc...   

 

 

County	Major City	Homicides per 100,000 people	Homicides
Orleans Parish, LA	New Orleans	46 46	166
Shelby County, TN	Memphis	41 41	372 372
	St. Louis	38 38	106
	Baltimore	36 36	205 205
	Washington, DC	36 36	244 244
Jefferson County, AL	Birmingham	28 28	187 187
Philadelphia County, PA	Philadelphia	26 26	402 402

https://usafacts.org/articles/which-cities-have-the-highest-murder-rates/

 

Red, blue, green or purple... fair to say the US has a problem here.

It has declined but 2022 was the number I quoted. Still a 15 in 100000 murder rate isnt that much better and really a very high murder rate. 

Edited October 6, 2025 by West

[LinkSoul60]

14 minutes ago, West said:

It has declined but 2022 was the number I quoted. Still a 15 in 100000 murder rate isnt that much better and really a very high murder rate. 

I agree that whatever the numbers are there are too many murders. Not sure I follow that a city with a homicide rate of 15 per 100k isn't that much better a city with 45 per 100k. That math is pretty far apart.

Wonder why he hasn't gone into these cities with the higher rates?

[Nationalist]

Good Lord just look at these Libbies trying everything they can think of to deny that Chicago and indeed all Demoncrat run cities, are crime ridden dumps that their own stupidity created.

Its phenomenal that the hatred of the duly elected POTUS, can force people to completely ignore that which is in plain view.

Can America be saved? Not without several years of leadership willing to do the job regardless of how much the Libbie fembots scream.

[Venandi]

A new low made relevent by the potential for unintended consequences in the future... I never thought we'd see officer assistance requests being ignored by other agencies for purely political reasons.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/national-police-union-calls-chicagos-refusal-help-ice-agents-shocking-violation-duty

When considered in the context of ignoring calls for emergency assistance during the commision of felony offences, It raises a bunch of legal, moral, and interoperability questions that would require a separate thread to adequately cover.

That said,  I'm going to bet that Roboduh can cover the entire spectrum in a single cap locked sentence ending with Duh. 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Venandi said:

A new low made relevent by the potential for unintended consequences in the future... I never thought we'd see officer assistance requests being ignored by other agencies for purely political reasons.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/national-police-union-calls-chicagos-refusal-help-ice-agents-shocking-violation-duty

When considered in the context of ignoring calls for emergency assistance during the commision of felony offences, It raises a bunch of legal, moral, and interoperability questions that would require a separate thread to adequately cover.

That said,  I'm going to bet that Roboduh can cover the entire spectrum in a single cap locked sentence ending with Duh. 

Cities aren't distancing themselves for political purposes. It's for entirely practical purposes.

Trump is the one putting on a political show with his Gestapo abductions, courtroom ambushes and other vile antics--often produced for TV. His rhetoric is declaring "war" on these cities. Makes a super fun sound byte for the authoritarian crowd, but is entirely unhelpful for engendering trust and cooperation.

But the show will eventually wrap and the camera crews will go home and the cities will be left to govern their people. So cities have a choice to make. Do they want to try to govern as the people who threw their lot in with ICE, alienating the communities they are left to govern? Or they can keep their distance and retain the trust of their communities? 

That's why sanctuary cities exist in the first place, now just amplified 10x by the divider-in-chief. 

[Venandi]

39 minutes ago, Hodad said:

That's why sanctuary cities exist in the first place, now just amplified 10x by the divider-in-chief. 

Sanctuary cities exist for a single purpose and that's to systemically ignore federal immigration law and inter-agency cooperation. It's also a double edged sword IMO, if you support the idea in principle you should have no issue with other incarnations of the same thing... say second amendment sanctuaries that openly ignore (meaning defy) any future gun control efforts you might support.

Like others, I may have my own views on a case by case basis but across the board I can't see it being a good thing. If nothing else, I think it makes a country difficult to govern and it might be wise to consider the unintended consequences of doing it for short term political gain.

39 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Cities aren't distancing themselves for political purposes. It's for entirely practical purposes.

I guess we can agree to disagree here... my point stands though, don't be surprised if (actually when) that very argument gets thrown back in your face at a later date. 

39 minutes ago, Hodad said:

His rhetoric is declaring "war" on these cities. Makes a super fun sound byte for the authoritarian crowd...

I see nothing "fun" in this and nothing fun about the predictable future backlash (in both directions) either. I do think you're right about the gleeful aspect of it for some voters though and it speaks to my continued fear of election outcomes becoming an inducement to political violence if (when) things don't go in the direction that people prone to endorsing politically motivated violence hope for.

IMO again, it's one of those "be careful what you wish for" things that people unwisely leave to the see-saw to decide... based on what I've seen of the world I think that's a bad idea because it usually comes with a laundry list of unintended consequences.

You're seeing that right now and you don't like it. Just imagine how much you won't like what comes next...  it's still a long voyage to Crazy Island IMO and we haven't crossed the PNR line yet. But I think we may be getting close and that gleefulness I mentioned above always adds a few shaft  revolutions to the engine room telegraph. 

Edited October 6, 2025 by Venandi

[Nationalist]

14 hours ago, robosmith said:

So you have no idea what you're talking about. I went to college on the South side in the heart of the projects.

And look how you turned out...

[Venandi]

34 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

And look how you turned out...

Guess I won't be sending my kids to college.