New poll shows majority of Canadians want NO new immigration.

[herbie]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

There is no incentive to raise wages.

You are obviously well off aren't you? Or were you hoping for a round of deflation to make the existing rates livable?
Kind of like shitting on immigrants when no one wants those minimum wage jobs. Or you can somehow force people to take them.
Go for a drive, any direction but South. Nobody lives there and you sure as hell won't even consider it. Then tell us we have no room for immigrants. Walk down the street and tell me Joe Smith runs the 7-11, started the cafe, runs the mall stand fixing iPhones, owns the gas station, drives the taxi or the dump truck.

[ironstone]

Breaking news...🙄

33,000 temporary workers all set to get permanent residency in Canada

Immigration minister Lena Metlege Diab says initiative is part of plan to reduce non-permanent residents while addressing labour shortages

In order to lower the number of non-permanent residents in the country...the Liberals will just give them permanent residency. The mainstream media will tout it as 'promise made-promise kept' even though the whole thing is bogus.

https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/chandigarh/33000-temporary-workers-all-set-to-get-permanent-residency-in-canada-10568683/

[Michael Hardner]

8 hours ago, I am Groot said:

 

 

1. A small number of wealthy/highly skilled individuals can make a small, positive difference. Add in tons of poor people and the difference is negative.

No, that is what I'd like, but no vetting takes place. Most people immigrate without any interviews or tests based simply on their application form and their 'stated' skills and education, which may be false.

2. Harper's level was too high, as was Chretien's. We know this from a report from Immigration Canada in 2016, which said Canada was losing its absorptive capacity, that integration was not guaranteed, that ethnic enclaves were growing, and that immigrants were no longer learning local languages as readily as before, and that their economic outcomes were deteriorating.

 

 

1. Maybe ?  Or maybe we just need their money, ie. investments.  I'm sure that's correct though - the net benefit of bringing in higher earners is better, I assume.

2. I stand corrected.  Someone, years back, posted that there was one but it doesn't appear to be true.  The vetting that is done is listed here: https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+vetting+of+Canadian+immigrants&oq=what+is+the+vetting+of+Canadian+immigrants&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDg1MDBqMGo5qAIAsAIB&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I have no response to the rest of your post, but it seems that the 'big picture' discussion on immigration is what you want to have.  At 100K immigrants, our population will shrink.  Do you have an economist who thinks that shrinking population would produce a better economy.

We seem to be in the domain of the 'no growth' economy discussions.  I have a relative who is an environmentalist, Green Party guy.  He talked about this before.

[eyeball]

9 hours ago, Goddess said:

This is what you visualize a Conservative to be and look like?

How do you visualize lefties? You people talk about them like they were awful loathsome...people.

If we were a race there'd be no mistaking what many of you people are at heart.

Edited March 9 by eyeball

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

How do you visualize lefties? You people talk about them like they were awful loathsome...people.

You mean like, they're the kind of people who'd wish folks they don't like to die or not care if someone dies as long as it's politically expedient??  That sort of 'loathsome' person?

Not all of them surely. 

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Not all of them surely.

No, just the occasional one.

Imagine how nicer the world would be if Thomas Crooks aim was better for example 

Are you honestly going to pretend you've never said the same thing about someone?

Are you oblivious to the fact if Trump croaked tomorrow there would be street celebrations around the world, most of them at home? They'd be the bigliest celebrations ever, way bigger than anyone else's.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

No, just the occasional one.

Well, at LEAST the occasional one anyway  

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Imagine how nicer the world would be if Thomas Crooks aim was better for example 

You think the world is better if democracy is repressed through violence do you.  Well.... no shock. 

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Are you honestly going to pretend you've never said the same thing about someone?

no need to pretend.  I don't wish people i don't like dead just because i don't agree with them. Have you EVER heard me wish trudeau or carney dead? I think they're 1000 times worse than trump, yet i've never suggested anything close to that. 

I've never wished any of the leftist numbars dead either, and that includes biden when it was announced he had a fatal illness.  

Normal, decent people don't do that very often. But the left does. They want trump dead, they want kirk dead, they want  executives in the medical insurance industry dead, they want the jews dead  and hell you even want me dead. 

That's just the kind of people you and the left are these days. But that's you, don't project your own mental health issues on us. 

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Are you oblivious to the fact if Trump croaked tomorrow there would be street celebrations around the world,

Not at all. The same could be said of the jews, the corporate execs, the christians and the right wing free speech advocates.  If any of them died your kind would be out celebrating the violence and their death.  I'm well aware of that. 

Like i said. It's the kind of monsters you are. 

[Goddess]

12 hours ago, eyeball said:

How do you visualize lefties? You people talk about them like they were awful loathsome...people.

I can only go by the things and policies they support.

Wanting rapists and pedos released as soon as possible back onto our streets, yes - it's loathsome.

Yet you keep voting for it.

Unvetted, mass immigration that is crashing our economy, letting foreign criminals into the country, crashing our healthcare, housing, jobs, education systems, and social fabric, yes - it's loathsome.

Yet you keep voting for it.

Giving away all our tax dollars to gender-sensitive rice farmers and bean farmers in the Congo and Vietnam while our own infrastructure crumbles, yes - it's loathsome.

Yet you keep voting for it.

Do I want you all to die?  Of course not.  I just hope you wake up before some of this has gone so far that it can't be fixed.

You're loathsome.  What else am I supposed to think?

[Goddess]

17 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

The vetting that is done is listed here: https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+vetting+of+Canadian+immigrants&oq=what+is+the+vetting+of+Canadian+immigrants&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDg1MDBqMGo5qAIAsAIB&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

This is not being done.  

I posted on this recently.  There was basically such a backlog of refugees and asylum seekers that immigration was told to just let everyone in.  As a result, I believe it was like 80% in the last year were admitted without ever seeing a live person in immigration.  And all that did was tell the world that Canada was an easy mark, they let anyone and everyone in, and the backlogs never decreased.

That's how we ended up with Khalistani gangs, 700 IRGC members, people who hate Jews and entire cities that are now Bangladesh.

If you watched the actual committee meetings on this, you'd know this.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

Wanting rapists and pedos released as soon as possible back onto our streets, yes - it's loathsome.

Yet you keep voting for it.

Okay. Why even arrest them in the first if that's what you think?

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

You're loathsome.  What else am I supposed to think?

I don't know, I eat kittens?

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Why even arrest them in the first if that's what you think?

You tell me.

You support the policy.

[eyeball]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Well, at LEAST the occasional one anyway  

So you do get it...  

But look at your buddies go! Wheee!

5 minutes ago, Goddess said:

You tell me.

You support the policy.

I'll say anything that makes your silly head explode...

Edited March 9 by eyeball

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'll say anything that makes your silly head explode...

It does bother me that so many of you Libs care so little about children & women, and so much about foreign criminals.

[eyeball]

19 minutes ago, Goddess said:

It does bother me that so many of you Libs care so little about children & women, and so much about foreign criminals.

What you think is hilarious.

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

What you think is hilarious.

I know, you think it's hilarious that rapists and pedos are let loose on the streets.

Ya, it's just so f*%king hilarious to you.

[eyeball]

8 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I know, you think it's hilarious that rapists and pedos are let loose on the streets.

Ya, it's just so f*%king hilarious to you.

No, I think it's hilarious how out of the way you go to live in such a deluded state. But it clearly makes you happy so...it's nice knowing I can contribute to that.

[Goddess]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No, I think it's hilarious how out of the way you go to live in such a deluded state. But it clearly makes you happy so...it's nice knowing I can contribute to that.

I'm deluded?

You support letting pedos and rapists out on the streets.

I don't.

 

[CdnFox]

59 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So you do get it...  ..

That you're a terrible person? Sure. That there may be a substantial portion of the left that is of similar quality as you? Sure

And as far as I can tell everybody is kind of pointing at you and laughing or shaking their head. Wheee i guess?

 

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I'll say anything that makes your silly head explode.

Nothing you can say ever has or ever will. You are literally the definition of inconsequential. Most of the time you just make me laugh. But there are times when you do make me a little sad, knowing that there are people like you out there in Canada who just don't care about human life and are so blinded by their ideology that they will actually hate other groups of people they've never met based solely on the fact that they believe differently will always make me a little sad.

Sometimes I look at people like you and think "Is that really the best we could do with 4 billion years of evolution?"  But, it is what it is Most of the time you make me laugh  

[eyeball]

35 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But, it is what it is Most of the time you make me laugh  

I'm glad I made your day. 

[I am Groot]

22 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. I stand corrected.  Someone, years back, posted that there was one but it doesn't appear to be true.  The vetting that is done is listed here: https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+vetting+of+Canadian+immigrants&oq=what+is+the+vetting+of+Canadian+immigrants&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDg1MDBqMGo5qAIAsAIB&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Note that if you read that, all it really says is we look for a police clearance certificate that says they're not wanted for anything, and check to see if they're on a terrorist watch list. That is not what I mean by vetting. Plus, that only applies to immigrants. The government stopped bothering with foreign workers and foreign students.

Any real vetting would require interviews with the subjects, which we do not do. I'm sure I'm not the only one who regularly hears from tradesmen about how this or that immigrant claiming to be an electrician or a bricklayer or welder or whatever turns out to know virtually nothing about them. I have heard at a distance removed stories of so-called engineers and various types of IT professionals knowing little or nothing as well. Fake documents are everywhere in our source countries. You can't even be sure the person is a professional at what he claims without an interview.

22 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I have no response to the rest of your post, but it seems that the 'big picture' discussion on immigration is what you want to have.  At 100K immigrants, our population will shrink.  Do you have an economist who thinks that shrinking population would produce a better economy.

 

First, we have to recognize that we obviously cannot grow our population indefinitely. It's not possible. Not without making life here miserable. There has to be an endpoint to the idea that simply adding people will grow our economy and make things better. I would suggest that we could cope with shrinking numbers by finally adopting the labour-saving technology that countries like Japan have long used. Add in AI and growing automation, and we could grow out economy by increasing productivity and production that way.

 

Edited March 9 by I am Groot

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

 

First, we have to recognize that we obviously cannot grow our population indefinitely. It's not possible. Not without making life here miserable. There has to be an endpoint to the idea that simply adding people will grow our economy and make things better. I would suggest that we could cope with shrinking numbers by finally adopting the labour-saving technology that countries like Japan have long used. Add in AI and growing automation, and we could grow out economy by increasing productivity and production that way.

 

It's idealistic, then again, maybe it's necessary.  

The model we use will have to change at some point. I agree.

[Goddess]

22 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

The model we use will have to change at some point. I agree.

It should have changed years ago, but it didn't.

I have no confidence that the Liberals will pivot on this.  The Century Initiative guy who promotes the idea that Canada needs 100 million population before 2050 and that vetting is a waste of time and re-wrote our Immigration Policy to reflect those goals - was just hired by Carney.  He also was advising Trudeau on immigration.

Mass immigration will not slow down as long as the Libs are in power.   They're not going to change anything.

[Michael Hardner]

18 minutes ago, Goddess said:

1. It should have changed years ago, but it didn't.

2. I have no confidence that the Liberals will pivot on this.  The Century Initiative guy who promotes the idea that Canada needs 100 million population before 2050 and that vetting is a waste of time and re-wrote our Immigration Policy to reflect those goals - was just hired by Carney.  He also was advising Trudeau on immigration.

3. Mass immigration will not slow down as long as the Libs are in power.   They're not going to change anything.

1. They tried.  Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Pinochet, Hitler, Castro, Mao.... 

2. Your problem isn't with immigration, it's with standard of living.

3. Conservatives aren't going to change it either, not drastically. They're not going to turn it to 100K. 

Really the zero growth thing is a green party idea.

[eyeball]

14 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Really the zero growth thing is a green party idea.

It's been around longer than the Green Party. They just grokked and promoted it first.

What is it that conservatives don't get about conserving? I've long wondered why Conservatives don't see more eye to eye with Greens. They seem like a natural fit 

[Michael Hardner]

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's been around longer than the Green Party. They just grokked and promoted it first.

What is it that conservatives don't get about conserving? I've long wondered why Conservatives don't see more eye to eye with Greens. They seem like a natural fit 

The Greens are kinda conservative no?

 

I heard that from NDP people.

Anyway they're the ones who own it today.