Canada to stall electric vehicle rules as Carney seeks to boost auto sector

[Aristides]

54 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Yes, EV's are the way of the future bit we still have obstacles to overcome. Electrical infrastructure, not just at charging sites but in homes, range (we are a large country with wide open spaces), and cold weather to overcome.

As for how many are already here....."As of July 2025, there are over 901,545 zero-emission vehicles (ZEVs) registered in Canada, according to Transports Canada. This includes a mix of battery electric vehicles (BEVs) and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs)."

I get the resistance to mandates and incentives, I never liked them myself. I don't get the  hatred for the vehicles themselves, it's almost pathological.

[Nefarious Banana]

On 9/6/2025 at 5:18 PM, CdnFox said:

None the least of which is the current lethargic sales.

I live in the Fraser Valley too and there are not 'tons' of them.  There are a few. maybe one in 50, 1 in 100. 

i know some stratas are starting to ban them from being parked in an enclosed space like the undergrounds or carports due to the severity of the fires if they burn. 

There are definitely people for whom it's a good fit, and they should have that choice  But the number that it's actually suitable for is FAR BELOW 50 percent.  The number would grow dramatically if you included plug in hybrids but if we're talking actual EV's then NOPE.  Not even half of people would find them suitable or would want to own one even if they're the same price as an ice vehicle. Which they are not. 

BC Ferries doesn't want them onboard . . . broken Tesla's going for repair to the LML.

BC has bought electricity out of province.  Dam more rivers?  Salmon are the only thing keeping the Fraser River in its present state.  We have Site C on the Peace . . . .how about Site D, E, F, G . . . ?

Ah, ask some urbanite where electricity comes from . . . . um, out of the wall plug?

Vancouver Island and anywhere north of Hope has a huge work truck force and a Tesla 'truck' is not a truck!

[blackbird]

Government should stay out of the auto industry entirely.  They should not be enforcing EVs within a certain time period.  That is a direct infringement on the freedom of Canadians.  It is either Marxist, Fascist or authoritarian.  People should always be free to purchase whatever kind of car they wish, gas, diesel or EV.  Industry should be free to manufacture whatever they wish that makes business sense to them.

Government should also abolish the net zero agenda and get out trying to control the economy and energy industry.  That means they should also abolish C69, the no more pipelines law.  Also stop the carbon taxes on industry and all the regulations and red tape hampering growth of the energy industry.

I am afraid Carney is a Trudeau 2.0.  He is a globalist and environmental radical as well as an authoritarian.

Don't expect much to change under Carney.

 

 

 

[CdnFox]

9 hours ago, Aristides said:

A 3800% increase in 8 years. Do you not see a trend there?

Not really.  And if you actually look at the numbers neither would you. 

The "percent increase' is largely meaningless.  If 10 people buy an ev and then the next year the gov't offers a subsidy and 100 people buy one, that's  a 1000 percent increase.  But it's still a tiny number of vehicles and it wouldn't have happened without the false economy of rebates. 

If you actually look at the numbers closely what you see is there came a point when Evie's began to become practical for a small segment of the population. The government also began to offer an initiatives to make the vehicles more affordable which again made them more practical for a small segment of the population. That population really had nothing prior to that so all of a sudden there was a group of people for whom EVS would be a good idea that suddenly had access to them which really didn't before.

So EV sales began to fill that vacuum and that small segment of people began to acquire EVS. Which is great and all but it's still a small segment.

And it's worth noting that the moment that the government incentives come off sales plummet. Meaning that in and of themselves without government subsidy they are not practical to buy for the vast majority of people.

What the automakers have noted is that now that that segment of people for whom EVS are good idea have been satisfied the market is slowing down and EV sales are dropping. The overall percentage of EVS that are out there it's still pretty small, and it doesn't take much to realize why the people who haven't transitioned probably won't. There will always be SOME ev sales but there's zero chance of them replacing ice sales. 

In fact. a large percent of housholds who have an ev ALSO have an ice and probably wouldn't be comfortable with just an EV.  My friend down the way is like that and i hear that a lot. 

And as i noted in bc some stratas are starting to ban ev's because of the hazards if they catch fire. 

Right now the price and the technology don't work for a lot of people.  And it's not going to.  Over time, the tech and price issues will likely eventually be resolved one way or another.  And at that time people will move to the new tech without any need to be told or forced.  The market will demand it and the suppliers will move to provide. 

Nobody needed to subsidize cars to replace horses.  When the tech is there  then it'll happen quite naturally. 

 

 

[CdnFox]

And we've seen a few stories like this over the last year, here's one from today. The tech just isn't there yet

Canadians hit the brakes on EV purchases in second quarter even as overall auto sales remain brisk

Canada's EV sales plummet nearly 30% on end to government consumer incentive programs

[Army Guy]

21 hours ago, Aristides said:

What gets under my skin is people like you and your attitude that BC is a problem when your end of the country get its services subsidized to a degree that we don't and doesn't done shit to get any energy to tidewater. 

Me, I'm the problem, your sure it is not your sense of entitlement, and BC issues with Alberta, and BC'ers are all for BC just not for the ROC, Why would the ROC be supportive of BC nationalized projects when your already decided that Alberta gets sweet F*ck all in regards to pipelines....

I've already shown you BC ferries also gets subsidized sine 1977 in fact ....And if anyone has a right to b!tch it would be the maritime if we were going dollar for dollar ..BC gets more federal dollars than the entire Maritimes put together and yet it does not seem to bug us like it bugs you , that you receive more than we do...That refund for the bridge and the ferries is for all Canadians that use them....not just the people of the Maritimes....and if you want your share you'll have to travel....you make it sound like saving the 20 bucks would be worth it, and you'll get to see the Maritimes ... 

As for getting western oil and gas to the Maritimes , all the maritime province continue to find support from federal and major companies to drive this pipeline across Canada...we are not the problem here but since you went there Quebec is the problem...they are the stop gap. On the natural gas front they are building and will be building more natural gas plants, The problem before was Justin said there was no business case for such facilities.... 

 

 

[Army Guy]

17 hours ago, Aristides said:

A 3800% increase in 8 years. Do you not see a trend there?

And yet since trump has taken office EV sales have dropped off and then of course their is the Musk thing and for some reason Canadians hate musk, and then our own federal government dropped the rebates...And of course the auto makers saying the federal government mandates are not realistic...

 

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Year-over-year, Canadian EV sales then fell 41% in February, 45% in March, and then 32% in the second-quarter of 2025, according to Statistics Canada.

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What does that look like for individual models? To be sure, the overall EV market’s 32% second-quarter collapse is an amalgam of many models. And many models fared far worse than others.

 

 

 

https://driving.ca/column/driving-by-numbers/10-evs-declining-sales-canada-2025

[taxme]

On 9/6/2025 at 12:01 PM, CdnFox said:

They will likely evolve over time into something that suits everybody. Battery tech will evolve and perhaps electrical generation technology such as hydrogen cells etc will emerge,  in time the problems will be solved. 

but that's the thing. IN TIME.  not now.  If something is ready for wide scale production and adaptation, it will be produced and people will buy it.  The tech right now is just not there. And trying to force it just hurts everybody

It would appear as though lieberal Carnage is backing down on EV mandates and rightly so. I want choice, not be forced. 

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, taxme said:

It would appear as though lieberal Carnage is backing down on EV mandates and rightly so. I want choice, not be forced. 

Well he's half assing it tho, same as he's been doing with everything. He didn't just get RID of it, he delayed it for a year while they think about it for 2 months. Which does not give the auto industry the certainty it needed in these difficult times. 

He needed to just say 'it's gone, we'll look at alternatives later' and let them get on with business and investing but he didn't.  So now they're like 'ok well that's great but we still don't know if we can invest in the industry so guess your people stay out of work"

[taxme]

24 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well he's half assing it tho, same as he's been doing with everything. He didn't just get RID of it, he delayed it for a year while they think about it for 2 months. Which does not give the auto industry the certainty it needed in these difficult times. 

He needed to just say 'it's gone, we'll look at alternatives later' and let them get on with business and investing but he didn't.  So now they're like 'ok well that's great but we still don't know if we can invest in the industry so guess your people stay out of work"

I guess that the leftist troll will be along soon to give you a thumbs down meme. It is all the troll knows how to do here. The troll continues to make an azz of himself again and again. 🙄

PS: I hope that his plans for a cashless society here in Canada will not come to fruition. No more cash, no more freedom. ☹️

Edited September 9, 2025 by taxme

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, taxme said:

I guess that the leftist troll will be along soon to give you a thumbs down meme. It is all the troll knows how to do here. The troll continues to make an azz of himself again and again. 🙄

PS: I hope that his plans for a cashless society here in Canada will not come to fruition. No more cash, no more freedom. ☹️

well there's always bitcoin

I doubt we'll be entirely cashless anytime soon.  But - you never know. I'm sure the gov't would love it. 

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Me, I'm the problem, your sure it is not your sense of entitlement, and BC issues with Alberta, and BC'ers are all for BC just not for the ROC, Why would the ROC be supportive of BC nationalized projects when your already decided that Alberta gets sweet F*ck all in regards to pipelines....

I've already shown you BC ferries also gets subsidized sine 1977 in fact ....And if anyone has a right to b!tch it would be the maritime if we were going dollar for dollar ..BC gets more federal dollars than the entire Maritimes put together and yet it does not seem to bug us like it bugs you , that you receive more than we do...That refund for the bridge and the ferries is for all Canadians that use them....not just the people of the Maritimes....and if you want your share you'll have to travel....you make it sound like saving the 20 bucks would be worth it, and you'll get to see the Maritimes ... 

As for getting western oil and gas to the Maritimes , all the maritime province continue to find support from federal and major companies to drive this pipeline across Canada...we are not the problem here but since you went there Quebec is the problem...they are the stop gap. On the natural gas front they are building and will be building more natural gas plants, The problem before was Justin said there was no business case for such facilities.... 

 

 

 

BC got 37.8 million in federal ferry funding. Marine Atlantic got 195 million plus another 100 million to subsidize the 50% cut in fares. 

BC is not Quebec, we have pipelines to tidewater so stop whining. 

https://lop.parl.ca/sites/PublicWebsite/default/en_CA/ResearchPublications/201701E

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/pm-carney-st-johns-1.7627614

 

Remember, I had nothing to say on this subject until you started shitting on my province.

Edited September 9, 2025 by Aristides

[LinkSoul60]

On 9/7/2025 at 2:56 PM, Army Guy said:

Federal government should be withholding any funding for BC / EBY until it gets on board with pipeline projects, and the ferry thing.

A Northwest Coast pipeline is part of the draft of potential infrastructure projects for fast-track consideration but there is no proponent today.  Until then Eby has said the right thing.... show me a proponent for the project and we'll talk.  

Tough one with the ferries quote from China.  There was no made-in BC quotes because they knew they couldn't compete with China shipbuilders if BC material requirement wasn't specified.  BC ferries has an aging fleet that needs to be upgraded to reliably support the communities that depend on this essential service and it's ~$1.2B lesser cost than from a European quote.  Ideally built in BC but that's not any time soon.

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

A Northwest Coast pipeline is part of the draft of potential infrastructure projects for fast-track consideration but there is no proponent today.  Until then Eby has said the right thing.... show me a proponent for the project and we'll talk.  

Tough one with the ferries quote from China.  There was no made-in BC quotes because they knew they couldn't compete with China shipbuilders if BC material requirement wasn't specified.  BC ferries has an aging fleet that needs to be upgraded to reliably support the communities that depend on this essential service and it's ~$1.2B lesser cost than from a European quote.  Ideally built in BC but that's not any time soon.

Northern Gateway was a shit proposal but if someone comes up with one that goes to the open ocean over a right of way that was accessible year round, it would have to be considered IMO.

I'm sure everyone would like to have the ferries built locally but when a government is running large deficits, the bottom line has to be the biggest consideration. I would like to know what exactly it was about the tender that stopped Canadian companies from bidding. Seaspan has a pretty full order book with ships for the Navy and Coast Guard.

https://www.seaspan.com/seaspan-shipyards/shipbuilding/

Edited September 9, 2025 by Aristides

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

 

BC got 37.8 million in federal ferry funding. Marine Atlantic got 195 million plus another 100 million to subsidize the 50% cut in fares. 

BC is not Quebec, we have pipelines to tidewater so stop whining. 

https://lop.parl.ca/sites/PublicWebsite/default/en_CA/ResearchPublications/201701E

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/pm-carney-st-johns-1.7627614

 

Remember, I had nothing to say on this subject until you started shitting on my province.

That is not 1/300 th as you said it was....my math is bad but yours is much worse...

Well it should be , by all the anti pipeline rhetoric there is there....One of Alberta's national projects was two more pipelines in through BC....just saying those national projects were suppose to be to enrich the nation, it can't do that if EBY and the anti pipeline wacki doodles are preventing that from happening....hence the suggestion that we should freeze BC projects until things get rolling... 

Remember this all started when someone suggested combining all the maritime provinces into one election district...and some how pipelines got brought into the conversation....after those in the west attacked the Maritimes...Anyways this is above yours and mine pay grade, but i was hoping we as a nation could get on the same page and do what is best for the country not the provinces....or this once in a life time of creating one economic power house is dead and we might as well be 12 different countries. or 12 different states...what ever comes first..

[Army Guy]

46 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Northern Gateway was a shit proposal but if someone comes up with one that goes to the open ocean over a right of way that was accessible year round, it would have to be considered IMO.

I'm sure everyone would like to have the ferries built locally but when a government is running large deficits, the bottom line has to be the biggest consideration. I would like to know what exactly it was about the tender that stopped Canadian companies from bidding. Seaspan has a pretty full order book with ships for the Navy and Coast Guard.

https://www.seaspan.com/seaspan-shipyards/shipbuilding/

Koreans mighty have been able to build them, but then again anyone other than the Chinese would be preferable..

[Aristides]

17 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

That is not 1/300 th as you said it was....my math is bad but yours is much worse...

Well it should be , by all the anti pipeline rhetoric there is there....One of Alberta's national projects was two more pipelines in through BC....just saying those national projects were suppose to be to enrich the nation, it can't do that if EBY and the anti pipeline wacki doodles are preventing that from happening....hence the suggestion that we should freeze BC projects until things get rolling... 

Remember this all started when someone suggested combining all the maritime provinces into one election district...and some how pipelines got brought into the conversation....after those in the west attacked the Maritimes...Anyways this is above yours and mine pay grade, but i was hoping we as a nation could get on the same page and do what is best for the country not the provinces....or this once in a life time of creating one economic power house is dead and we might as well be 12 different countries. or 12 different states...what ever comes first..

Well let's get on the same page. Like I said, I didn't enter this conversation until you started throwing crap at my province. 

If Alberta can call the shots in my province, why can't they do the same with eastern provinces? Why the double standard?

It would make sense to combine the maritime provinces but we do a ton of things in this country that don't make sense. 

Edited September 9, 2025 by Aristides

[Aristides]

10 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Koreans mighty have been able to build them, but then again anyone other than the Chinese would be preferable..

 I would rather see them built in Korea as well but did any Korean companies bid on them?

[Army Guy]

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Well let's get on the same page. Like I said, I didn't enter this conversation until you started throwing crap at my province. 

It would make sense to combine the maritime provinces but we do a ton of things in this country that don't make sense. 

OK then i threw crap at your province, for that i'm sorry... that being said i think enough crap was thrown around to cover everyone in Sh!t and leave it at that...

It makes sense because you have no skin in the game...Not that it would make any difference because the Maritimes has about as much pull as my aunt Martha....while she's been drinking, everyone listens to her and nods, and says YUP and then everything is forgotten the next morning... Cutting the Maritimes off any transfers would be the best thing ROC Canada could do...which adds up to peanuts in the big picture... 

[Aristides]

8 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

OK then i threw crap at your province, for that i'm sorry... that being said i think enough crap was thrown around to cover everyone in Sh!t and leave it at that...

It makes sense because you have no skin in the game...Not that it would make any difference because the Maritimes has about as much pull as my aunt Martha....while she's been drinking, everyone listens to her and nods, and says YUP and then everything is forgotten the next morning... Cutting the Maritimes off any transfers would be the best thing ROC Canada could do...which adds up to peanuts in the big picture... 

I have no objection to trying to provide an equal level of services throughout the country. That should be part of being a country.

From an economic and political point of view it would make sense to combine the Maritime provinces but everything is not about economics and politics. Culture, language and history may be more subjective but at least as important.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

A Northwest Coast pipeline is part of the draft of potential infrastructure projects for fast-track consideration but there is no proponent today.  Until then Eby has said the right thing.... show me a proponent for the project and we'll talk.  

 

There isn't going to BE one until the gov't strongly shows it's made the changes necessary in the regulatory environment and knows how to work with the people. 

You've got it backwards, you don't say "make a proposal and we'll make it easy if we like it",  companies aren't intereted in spending the money to find out if it qualifies as one of your magic projects, \

You strip away the regulation and other things interfereing with it first and THEN they'll decide to put offers forward 

Carney isn't the least bit interested in getting pipelines built or the like, he knows what he's doing is turning off business and that they won't come forward. It is childish to say that you'll deal with these issues after someone comes forward, nobody is coming forward until these issues are dealt with and the companies have been very clear about that

[herbie]

On 9/8/2025 at 8:58 AM, blackbird said:

Government should stay out of the auto industry entirely

Are you kidding? The ONLY improvements in that sector were from govt mandates. We'd still be driving around spewing lead and nitrogen smog, with no seat belts or safety glass, etc. etc.  without them.
And this bullshit about the govt has no right to mandate - they have the right to mandate if you can even drive a car at all. You're supposed to know that the minute you study for a DL.

This whole shitshow has been a whiney parade of naysayers with the sole argument "I don't like EVs" and nothing else. The mandate as it's written says in 2035 (10 years from now) your car has to be electrified. You will still be able to buy a PHEV and never plug it in if you're dumb enought. If Dodge is still around they'll sell PHEV hemis with stickers on the window claiming 40 mpg.

Go look at a f*cking car lot these days. The hottest sellers are hybrids, we're already well into electrification. PHEVs are also gaining. BEVs have 300km+ ranges, chargers are everywhere and at home. Gas only cars are right up there in price and the Id1ot President has ditched mileage standards, so one jump in oil prices and allowing US makers to stagnate even more he's f*cked the whole auto sector.
Hopefully Carney is not nearly as simple minded.

HTG I'm sick of seeing these 'when cars were good' posts of Boss302s and HemiCudas. They were shit. Compare a 2005+ car to a 1968 Road Runner is like comparing the Roadrunner to a Model T

[taxme]

On 9/8/2025 at 9:08 AM, CdnFox said:

Not really.  And if you actually look at the numbers neither would you. 

The "percent increase' is largely meaningless.  If 10 people buy an ev and then the next year the gov't offers a subsidy and 100 people buy one, that's  a 1000 percent increase.  But it's still a tiny number of vehicles and it wouldn't have happened without the false economy of rebates. 

If you actually look at the numbers closely what you see is there came a point when Evie's began to become practical for a small segment of the population. The government also began to offer an initiatives to make the vehicles more affordable which again made them more practical for a small segment of the population. That population really had nothing prior to that so all of a sudden there was a group of people for whom EVS would be a good idea that suddenly had access to them which really didn't before.

So EV sales began to fill that vacuum and that small segment of people began to acquire EVS. Which is great and all but it's still a small segment.

And it's worth noting that the moment that the government incentives come off sales plummet. Meaning that in and of themselves without government subsidy they are not practical to buy for the vast majority of people.

What the automakers have noted is that now that that segment of people for whom EVS are good idea have been satisfied the market is slowing down and EV sales are dropping. The overall percentage of EVS that are out there it's still pretty small, and it doesn't take much to realize why the people who haven't transitioned probably won't. There will always be SOME ev sales but there's zero chance of them replacing ice sales. 

In fact. a large percent of housholds who have an ev ALSO have an ice and probably wouldn't be comfortable with just an EV.  My friend down the way is like that and i hear that a lot. 

And as i noted in bc some stratas are starting to ban ev's because of the hazards if they catch fire. 

Right now the price and the technology don't work for a lot of people.  And it's not going to.  Over time, the tech and price issues will likely eventually be resolved one way or another.  And at that time people will move to the new tech without any need to be told or forced.  The market will demand it and the suppliers will move to provide. 

Nobody needed to subsidize cars to replace horses.  When the tech is there  then it'll happen quite naturally. 

 

 

I see that the resident troll imbecile is at it again with his down arrow memes. Chalk it up as another win for you to post on your victory wall over the imbecile troll once again. Now watch me get a down arrow meme again. All those down arrow memes are just more victories for me to post on my victory wall over the imbecile troll. Just saying. LOL. 

 

[taxme]

19 minutes ago, herbie said:

Are you kidding? The ONLY improvements in that sector were from govt mandates. We'd still be driving around spewing lead and nitrogen smog, with no seat belts or safety glass, etc. etc.  without them.
And this bullshit about the govt has no right to mandate - they have the right to mandate if you can even drive a car at all. You're supposed to know that the minute you study for a DL.

This whole shitshow has been a whiney parade of naysayers with the sole argument "I don't like EVs" and nothing else. The mandate as it's written says in 2035 (10 years from now) your car has to be electrified. You will still be able to buy a PHEV and never plug it in if you're dumb enought. If Dodge is still around they'll sell PHEV hemis with stickers on the window claiming 40 mpg.

Go look at a f*cking car lot these days. The hottest sellers are hybrids, we're already well into electrification. PHEVs are also gaining. BEVs have 300km+ ranges, chargers are everywhere and at home. Gas only cars are right up there in price and the Id1ot President has ditched mileage standards, so one jump in oil prices and allowing US makers to stagnate even more he's f*cked the whole auto sector.
Hopefully Carney is not nearly as simple minded.

HTG I'm sick of seeing these 'when cars were good' posts of Boss302s and HemiCudas. They were shit. Compare a 2005+ car to a 1968 Road Runner is like comparing the Roadrunner to a Model T

Try driving an EV from Vancouver to Alaska and see how far you will get before you find yourself stuck in the wilderness with a dead battery especially in the winter time. I do not believe that there are that many EV chargers on that highway in the wilderness. No one in their right mind, except maybe yo lefty, would take a stupid chance on trying that. 😁

[taxme]

16 hours ago, Aristides said:

I have no objection to trying to provide an equal level of services throughout the country. That should be part of being a country.

From an economic and political point of view it would make sense to combine the Maritime provinces but everything is not about economics and politics. Culture, language and history may be more subjective but at least as important.

I can just picture over hundreds of millions of EV charging units lined up all over Canadian streets. What an eye sore that would be. If i owned and had to charge up my EV on my street, we would need to have dozens of them. It does not matter as to how far an EV can go on one charge one still needs to be able to charge up their EV. 

I have no problem with anyone wanting an EV, but they could be asking for plenty of problems. Just do not try and force me to have to buy an EV. But this is what we get when the millions of dumb downed stupid Canadians, like you lefty, listen and believe what the Marxist globalist lieberals in Ottawa try and tell you that going green is just great. There are plenty of not so bright Canadian people around that are making plenty of money on this green nonsense stuff. But hey.