Canada to stall electric vehicle rules as Carney seeks to boost auto sector

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

I think EV's will eventually be the future for personal vehicles regardless of what government does.

Well that's how the market is SUPPOSED to go 

We never needed a 'mandate' to switch from horses to cars.  People just realized it was for the best.  I don't think the tech is quite there yet but when it is people will switch naturally and you don't need to force the market. 

These mandates aren't productive. 

10 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

It's real hard winning a poker game when you show up with $20 in your pocket and the other guy has $2,000 in his....unless you get all the cards, which we certainly don't have.  

Take your bias away for a minute.... If you honestly believe that Poilievre is more qualified in ANY respect of business acumen your fascination with him is deeper than I thought 😂

He sang a different tune during the election  

The guy has zero experience with politics OR negotiations.  And it's showing. 

Canada did have a lot of cards to play. Carney just doesn't understand the game and he's relying on advisors and we all know how that turns out 

[Shady]

26 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

It's real hard winning a poker game when you show up with $20 in your pocket and the other guy has $2,000 in his....unless you get all the cards, which we certainly don't have.  

Take your bias away for a minute.... If you honestly believe that Poilievre is more qualified in ANY respect of business acumen your fascination with him is deeper than I thought 😂

Yeah, it's too bad that he didn't speak more realistically during the campaign.  That's not my fault, that's his.  He set the bar extremely high, but it was the only way he could get elected.  

I don't care about experience, I care about policy.  If you cared so much about business qualifications why did you support Trudeau over Harper?  I see, so after forcing an inexperience part time drama teacher on to the country for 10 years, NOW you care about qualifications?  LOL!

[LinkSoul60]

8 minutes ago, Shady said:

Yeah, it's too bad that he didn't speak more realistically during the campaign.  That's not my fault, that's his.  He set the bar extremely high, but it was the only way he could get elected.  

I don't care about experience, I care about policy.  If you cared so much about business qualifications why did you support Trudeau over Harper?  I see, so after forcing an inexperience part time drama teacher on to the country for 10 years, NOW you care about qualifications?  LOL!

That's what politicians do, tell people what they want to hear.  That said, I'm sure Carney thought he could sway Trump but that shipped sailed with Trump screwing the entire world.  

You're going 10+ years back but .... Harper's anti-democratic ways had worn people out. It was time for him to move on, and that's what the liberals had.  And yes, I do care about qualifications as most of the country does and it's why we have the PM we do.

[Aristides]

3 hours ago, Venandi said:

I can't help but wonder what we all would think if the entire situation was stood completely on its head... by that I mean if internal combustion engines were a recent invention.

No more battery recycling woes, no rare earth metal deals with potentially hostile trading partners and no rolling blackouts due to an aging power grid. Would it be heralded as cheap, light weight, more environmentally friendly, lest wasteful etc?

Not a rhetorical question BTW... I have no idea. We haven't seen the real world effects of 100% EV ownership to know for sure but I suspect it isn't the panacea some believe it to be. 

EV's present their own issues but will still be the future as they are eventually sorted out. The infrastructure to support ICE's wasn't built in a day. Battery technology is also in its infancy. 100% EV ownership would be a step, not a panacea.

[Legato]

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Imagine how Poilievre would be faring right now with zero business and practical experience in anything besides being a career politician.  He'd have been a deer in the headlights and sold us down the road to ruin from the get go because of his inexperience.

 

[Legato]

28 minutes ago, Aristides said:

EV's present their own issues but will still be the future as they are eventually sorted out. The infrastructure to support ICE's wasn't built in a day. Battery technology is also in its infancy. 100% EV ownership would be a step, not a panacea.

Battery have been around since 1800, before internal combustion. Infancy?

[Aristides]

8 minutes ago, Legato said:

Battery have been around since 1800, before internal combustion. Infancy?

Li batteries have only been around since the early 90's. There is so much R&D going on in the battery industry, I doubt they will still be the battery of choice 15 or 20 years from now

[Legato]

19 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Li batteries have only been around since the early 90's. There is so much R&D going on in the battery industry, I doubt they will still be the battery of choice 15 or 20 years from now

Yes but a quantum leap is needed.

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, Legato said:

Yes but a quantum leap is needed.

Energy density of Li batteries has increased an average of 7% per year over the last decade but there will be a limit. They are quite adequate for personal vehicles but there will have to be major increases in the energy density of batteries for heavy duty use and  they certainly won't be able to power large aircraft. Fossil or at least renewable fuels will be required to power a lot of things for the foreseeable future but personal transportation isn't one of them.

[Legato]

14 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Energy density of Li batteries has increased an average of 7% per year over the last decade but there will be a limit. They are quite adequate for personal vehicles but there will have to be major increases in the energy density of batteries for heavy duty use and  they certainly won't be able to power large aircraft. Fossil or at least renewable fuels will be required to power a lot of things for the foreseeable future but personal transportation isn't one of them.

Not adequate where we and millions of others like us live.

Yuppie family not far from us bought Tesla's 2 years ago, one winter later and a week long power cut, Tesla's replaced with GM's.

I have no doubt there will be a quantum leap, until then the EV mandates need to be dispensed with.

[Army Guy]

3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Imagine how Poilievre would be faring right now with zero business and practical experience in anything besides being a career politician.  He'd have been a deer in the headlights and sold us down the road to ruin from the get go because of his inexperience.

Just a question , how much business and practical experience did Justin have, he must have had something on the go he did get 3 terms in office...So really how much experience do you need...one can also say that Carney lacks the political experience while in office, and it shows when he tries to get anything done at speed....but i thought this is why we have public service employees heading up each department, to hold that experience and knowledge that all politicians need...

[Aristides]

3 hours ago, Legato said:

Not adequate where we and millions of others like us live.

Yuppie family not far from us bought Tesla's 2 years ago, one winter later and a week long power cut, Tesla's replaced with GM's.

I have no doubt there will be a quantum leap, until then the EV mandates need to be dispensed with.

If there is a week long power cut, the pumps at gas stations won't work either.

[Legato]

40 minutes ago, Aristides said:

If there is a week long power cut, the pumps at gas stations won't work either.

There were many gas stations still operating and we have always have 10 gal of gas stored for emergency.

You can't store 10 gal of electrons.

[BeaverFever]

12 hours ago, Shady said:

Carney is pausing the EV mandate, just like Pierre said should happen.  Another policy that Pierre was ahead of and correct on.  At this point, we really just need Pierre as PM, as Carney is just a middle man.

 

Canada to stall electric vehicle rules as Carney seeks to boost auto sector

https://financialpost.com/commodities/energy/electric-vehicles/canada-to-stall-electric-vehicle-rules-boost-auto-sector

 

 

1) It wasn’t Pierre’s idea, the auto industry has been asking for  this for a long time, which is where PP got it from

2)PP wanted to SCRAP, not pause the mandate 

3) The whole “Carney is copying PP” claim is a load of BS. In fact PP’s campaign platform which he released AFTER Carney was full of last-minute ripoffs from Carney after he finally accepted at the 11th hour his “just like Justin” campaign was a total flop. 

[LinkSoul60]

19 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Just a question , how much business and practical experience did Justin have, he must have had something on the go he did get 3 terms in office...So really how much experience do you need...one can also say that Carney lacks the political experience while in office, and it shows when he tries to get anything done at speed....but i thought this is why we have public service employees heading up each department, to hold that experience and knowledge that all politicians need...

Trudeau had none, and trust you'd note that with the record he left behind. 

I'll take an experienced economic, trade and business mind over a career portion any day and every day.

[Aristides]

15 hours ago, Legato said:

There were many gas stations still operating and we have always have 10 gal of gas stored for emergency.

You can't store 10 gal of electrons.

What was powering the pumps? You can store electricity in home battery banks. Nissan was building home storage systems using EV batteries that were no longer good for vehicle use but still OK for home storage systems. They can be replenished with wind or solar when not being used as a backup.

[Legato]

Just now, Aristides said:

What was powering the pumps? You can store electricity in home battery banks. Nissan was building home storage systems using EV batteries that were no longer good for vehicle use but still OK for home storage systems. They can be replenished with wind or solar when not being used as a backup.

Generators that run on guess what?

Stop clutching at the well maybe if this or that was around. Real life situations are real.

 

[Aristides]

58 minutes ago, Legato said:

Generators that run on guess what?

Stop clutching at the well maybe if this or that was around. Real life situations are real.

 

I’m just saying EV’s work for most people and will keep getting better. I’m an old gear head. I have a 66 Chrysler300 convertible with a 440 TNT I restored and my daily drivers are a pair of Audis, a Q5 and a S5 Cabriolet. Love them all but I’m not n denial about the future.

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Trudeau had none, and trust you'd note that with the record he left behind. 

I'll take an experienced economic, trade and business mind over a career portion any day and every day.

And yet it can be done....not many of our Countries leaders have had any of those career highlights to be honest...

As did a lot of Canadians, Carney problem is he is slow to act, i'm not sure if that's because he is having problems navigating politics or in reality getting anything done in this country is impossibly slow....And i truly hope he can get something going before Canadians lose patients right now Canada needs something to correct Justin's mistakes. 

[Legato]

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I’m just saying EV’s work for most people and will keep getting better. I’m an old gear head. I have a 66 Chrysler300 convertible with a 440 TNT I restored and my daily drivers are a pair of Audis, a Q5 and a S5 Cabriolet. Love them all but I’m not n denial about the future.

That's the point, they don't work for most people. For some yes. Remove incentives and that "some" gets smaller.

[Army Guy]

17 hours ago, Aristides said:

If there is a week long power cut, the pumps at gas stations won't work either.

Most gas stations have back up generators, to pump gas, your next option is to drive outside that power grid that is down and fuel up there....or use propane and natural gas to power your generator

[LinkSoul60]

1 minute ago, Army Guy said:

And yet it can be done....not many of our Countries leaders have had any of those career highlights to be honest...

As did a lot of Canadians, Carney problem is he is slow to act, i'm not sure if that's because he is having problems navigating politics or in reality getting anything done in this country is impossibly slow....And i truly hope he can get something going before Canadians lose patients right now Canada needs something to correct Justin's mistakes. 

I'm looking at this with open eyes and struggle to see where he's not moving quickly given the challenges and barriers in front of him.  To say that Carney has a lot of sh*t on his plate right now is an understatement and to think all the country's problems should have been fixed in 4 months is not even close to being realistic.  Agree with peoples patience though.... at some point people are going to look at the cost of living and their own livelihoods to ask if they're better.

[Aristides]

9 minutes ago, Legato said:

That's the point, they don't work for most people. For some yes. Remove incentives and that "some" gets smaller.

Actually they do. Most people live in or near urban areas and they work just fine. 

[Army Guy]

25 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I'm looking at this with open eyes and struggle to see where he's not moving quickly given the challenges and barriers in front of him.  To say that Carney has a lot of sh*t on his plate right now is an understatement and to think all the country's problems should have been fixed in 4 months is not even close to being realistic.  Agree with peoples patience though.... at some point people are going to look at the cost of living and their own livelihoods to ask if they're better.

He has a metric ton of Sh*t on his plate, so much that he may be paralyzed on where to start, he is a going to have to start something even if it is a small chunk, right now he is putting out small fires, and it seems to be distracting him, fro  the big picture....i do like his announcement on bail reform and delaying the EV program....but we need more.

[taxme]

On 9/5/2025 at 6:57 AM, Shady said:

Carney is pausing the EV mandate, just like Pierre said should happen.  Another policy that Pierre was ahead of and correct on.  At this point, we really just need Pierre as PM, as Carney is just a middle man.

 

Canada to stall electric vehicle rules as Carney seeks to boost auto sector

https://financialpost.com/commodities/energy/electric-vehicles/canada-to-stall-electric-vehicle-rules-boost-auto-sector

 

 

The lieberal EV mandate needs to be scrapped now. Nothing less will do. 🫠