The bare-faced lie of the MAGA gun lobbyist movement.

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, blackbird said:

"Suspect charged with murder for fatally shooting 11-year-old boy playing ding dong ditch"

"

A suspect has been charged in the fatal shooting of an 11-year-old boy who was playing “ding dong ditch” in Harris County, Texas.

Gonzalo Leon Jr., 42, was arrested and charged with murder Tuesday in connection with the shooting, the Houston Police Department said. He is now in custody at the Harris County jail. Police also identified the victim as Julian Guzman, who witnesses said was running away from the house when he was shot."

Suspect charged with murder for fatally shooting 11-year-old boy playing ding dong ditch

This is just one example out of tens of thousands of cases which demonstrate what happens when millions of guns are in the hands of millions of people who should never have them in the first place.  So many people are so mentally unstable and irrational that they will shot anyone at the drop of a hat.  Yet they have guns at their fingertips ready to shot anybody on a moment's notice.

Her daughter is accused of stabbing a 6-year-old. She says she warned officials | CBC News

No gun.

Teen dies after reported stabbing in Abbotsford, B.C., park, police say | CBC News

No gun

Deadly stabbing of mom, child in Edmonton believed to be ‘completely random’: police - Edmonton | Globalnews.ca

no gun

Police seeking witnesses after boy, 15, stabbed to death on downtown Vancouver street - The Globe and Mail

no gun

1500 people killed with knives in the usa in 2023, not just stabbed but dead. 

No gun. 

But in your mind those deaths are just fine. You ONLY care about guns.  You don't care how many die 

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

But in your mind those deaths are just fine. You ONLY care about guns.  You don't care how many die 

  I never said anything about deaths by knives or other weapons.  You are making a false assumption when you say I don't care how many die by knives.  That is a dumb thing to say. Of course I care.  You seem to think you can just throw out any kind of insults that you make up.  No credibility.

If you read the O.P., you would see the subject is the lie that claims "guns don't kill; people kill".

Obviously the possession of guns could be controlled by laws and enforced if the U.S. wished to do so.  The statistics say 79% of murders involved guns.

"How many people die from gun-related injuries in the U.S.?

In 2023, the most recent year for which complete data is available, 46,728 people died from gun-related injuries, according to the CDC. That figure includes gun murders and gun suicides, along with three less common types of gun-related deaths the CDC tracks: those that involved law enforcement, those that were accidental, and those whose circumstances could not be determined. The total excludes deaths in which gunshot injuries played a contributing, but not principal, role. (CDC fatality statistics are based on information from official death certificates, which identify a single cause of death.)

What share of U.S. gun deaths are murders? What share are suicides?

Though they tend to get less public attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2023, 58% of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (27,300), while 38% were murders (17,927). The remaining gun deaths that year involved law enforcement (604), were accidental (463) or had undetermined circumstances (434), according to CDC data.

What share of all murders and suicides in the U.S. involve a gun?

About eight-in-ten U.S. murders in 2023 – 17,927 out of 22,830, or 79% – involved a firearm. That was among the highest percentages since 1968, the earliest year for which the CDC has online records.   unquote

What the data says about gun deaths in the US | Pew Research Center

 

 

[CouchPotato]

11 minutes ago, blackbird said:

About eight-in-ten U.S. murders in 2023 – 17,927 out of 22,830, or 79% – involved a firearm. 

And in each one of those it was a person that committed the crime not the gun. 😉

Edited September 3, 2025 by CouchPotato

[Nationalist]

Ok @blackbird...this has been bothering me all day.

Its "bald-faced lie"!

Now...please feel free to continue your blubbering. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

  I never said anything about deaths by knives or other weapons. 

 

 

That's the whole point kiddo.  In an act of complete irony you just stabbed yourself in the leg. 

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

You are making a false assumption when you say I don't care how many die by knives.

No. I'm not. 

The simple fact is if you cared about kids, and not just guns, you would be pushing just as hard for an end to knives. Or pools.

You would not be pretending that the presence of guns causes more deaths, you'd be realizing that bad people kill kids with whatever is at hand. 

But you ONLY care about guns. You care more about guns than you do the children. 

Like you said. You've said nothing about other deaths.  You're not claiming knives kill kids or pools kill kids or car accidents kill kids.....   just guns. That's what you care about. 

Severely disappointing.  It's one thing that you don't believe in following the law. But letting yourself put your own hoplophobia ahead of genuine concern for kids and holding up their  bodies for your politics makes you a ghoul of the worst order. 

"Christian" my ass. 

 

[Deluge]

23 hours ago, blackbird said:

The simpleton deceivers try to defend the lie that "gun's don't kill people;  people kill people".

It is clear to any reasonable person that if you give a loaded gun to child or to a mentally, troubled person or a felon, he might well use the gun and shoot someone.   

The reason why guns kill people is the people use the gun to do the job.

It is the combination of the gun and the potential murderer that kills people.  Use some common sense!

 

blackbird was held up at gun point by the gun itself. It was a very traumatic experience for him, so let's give him a hand for stepping up and speaking out...

 

Edited September 3, 2025 by Deluge

[gatomontes99]

17 hours ago, blackbird said:

Of course it is a lie.  The statement guns don't kill people is clearly implying there is nothing wrong with anyone having guns.

No. It is a statement that highlights the decision making. Guns don't kill people, people do means the decision is made by the individual. The vast majority ofnindividuals that own guns never violate the law. Your belief is that those people should be punished for following the law. Ironically, you are creating thread after thread supporting people that did violate the laws and in such a way that they harmed millions. 

[Deluge]

blackbird finds that when he accuses others of lying, it makes his lies a lot more palatable. 

[User]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

blackbird finds that when he accuses others of lying, it makes his lies a lot more palatable. 

Which is ironic because he ran away like a coward when I called him out for 2 of his own "bare-faced" lies on here. 

 

[Deluge]

11 minutes ago, User said:

Which is ironic because he ran away like a coward when I called him out for 2 of his own "bare-faced" lies on here. 

That's because he knows that you know he's a liar. 

[Nationalist]

If were gonna have some "bare-faced" truth about this, we need to examine overall homicide rates...not gun rates. Why? Because many nations have gun laws similar or the same as the anti-gun nuts want and think will solve the problems. 

Take a gander at this...

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/murder-rate-by-country

So the USA is tenth below Bermuda, which has the same gun restrictions as England. 

Guns are a "tool". But to assume the homicide rate will drop if guns are banned, is the idea of fools and dreamers.

Edited September 3, 2025 by Nationalist

[WestCanMan]

23 hours ago, blackbird said:

Of course it is a lie.  The statement guns don't kill people is clearly implying there is nothing wrong with anyone having guns. 

Wrong on 2 counts:

1) it doesn't mean that guns lack lethal power, it means that killing is a choice made by people. FYI guns actually do lack the ability to kill people on their own, and there's no shortage of other ways to for people to kill others if guns aren't available to them.

2) As far as the US is concerned, their belief is that the amount of safety and freedom that guns provide to the citizens outweighs the fact that people can choose guns to kill other people instead of using other methods. In case you've forgotten, America was born into tyranny, and used guns to free themselves. 

 

Are Americans wrong for being concerned about gov't tyranny?

We experienced gov't tyranny here just 3 years ago. We were at the point where the gov't built what appeared to be covid concentration camps, flatly denied their existence, called Randy Hillier a kook for mentioning them, called the entire notion a nutjob conspiracy theory, then changed course and admitted that the buildings existed but framed them as "voluntary self-isolation camps in the Yukon" 😂.

Is it possible that unvaxed, asymptomatic covid carriers were to be sent there? Let's face it, that's by far the most likely scenario imaginable, because it fits right in line with the way our gov't was behaving, and with Trudeau's threatening rhetoric about whether or not the unvaxed should even be tolerated (is Pfizer the new Bayer?). Who was ever gonna choose a camp in the Yukon? Americans in NY didn't even use the Javits Ctr or USS Freedom or Liberty, right in their own towns.

Edited September 3, 2025 by WestCanMan

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Are Americans wrong for being concerned about gov't tyranny?

We experienced gov't tyranny here just 3 years ago. We were at the point where the gov't built what appeared to be covid concentration camps, flatly denied their existence, called Randy Hillier a kook for mentioning them, called the entire notion a nutjob conspiracy theory, then changed course and admitted that the buildings existed but framed them as "voluntary self-isolation camps in the Yukon" 😂.

Is it possible that unvaxed, asymptomatic covid carriers were to be sent there? Let's face it, that's by far the most likely scenario imaginable, because it fits right in line with the way our gov't was behaving, and with Trudeau's threatening rhetoric about whether or not the unvaxed should even be tolerated (is Pfizer the new Bayer?). Who was ever gonna choose a camp in the Yukon? Americans in NY didn't even use the Javits Ctr or USS Freedom or Liberty, right in their own towns.

The issue of the bare-faced lie of the maga gun movement has nothing to do with Covid and the unvaxxed issue that took place in Canada.

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

it means that killing is a choice made by people.

Of course it is a choice made by people.  But you missed the point.

But if you give millions of people guns who have mental problems or are mentally unstable, then you get what is happening now, that is, about 48,000 people a year in the U.S. die by guns.

The claim that guns don't kill people is completely wrong.  We all know guns by themselves don't kill people.  But if you give them to the wrong people, which is what is happening now, then of course the guns will be used to kill people.

That is the point here.  It is foolishness to claim guns don't kill people when they are the weapon of choice for killing 48,000 people a year in America.

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

2) As far as the US is concerned, their belief is that the amount of safety and freedom that guns provide to the citizens outweighs the fact that people can choose guns to kill other people instead of using other methods. In case you've forgotten, America was born into tyranny, and used guns to free themselves. 

I think you're wrong there.  When the massive number of guns in the U.S. are in the wrong hands, mentally unstable and irresponsible people, you end up with 48,000 dead people a year from guns.  That cannot be claimed a benefit of the freedom of any individual to have guns when they are in the wrong hands.  It is ludicrous to think 48,000 must give up their lives so every nutcase or mentally ill person can have guns.  I'm afraid the claim that freedom outweighs the lives of all those people is complete lunacy.  No need to give guns to hundreds of millions of people with mental issues.

The Supreme Court has also already ruled that the government has the right to ban felons and mentally ill people from owning guns.  The problem is that action is not being taken to stop those kind of people from having guns.  Not every American thinks mentally ill or unstable people should have guns.  I think if you ask them, most would agree they should not have guns.  But there is a hard core group of NRI, MAGA, GOP people who don't want anyone to deprived of the right to own guns.  This is a cult mentality that is costing thousands of lives.

Edited September 3, 2025 by blackbird

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

1) it doesn't mean that guns lack lethal power, it means that killing is a choice made by people. FYI guns actually do lack the ability to kill people on their own, and there's no shortage of other ways to for people to kill others if guns aren't available to them.

 

This is the thing that hoplophobes like this Twat can't answer. 

People use guns to kill.

People use knives to kill

People use cars to kill

People use bats to kill

And the only thing in common there is... people.  NONE of those things has ever killed anyone on it's own. 

So the problem isn't the tool, the problem is that at some point a person decides it's ok to kill another person. 

ANd instead of dealing with that fairly basic fact, their anwer is "if we remove ONE of the MANY tools, we've solved the problem". 

The left is not known for logic, but that right there is the most amazing display of stupidity i've heard of since the flat earthers got drunk and tried to explain. 

And it makes it impossible to have a rational conversation about the issues and look for real resolutions 

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The issue of the bare-faced lie of the maga gun movement has nothing to do with Covid and the unvaxxed issue that took place in Canada.

 

Sure it does. 

[blackbird]

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

This is the thing that hoplophobes like this Twat can't answer. 

People use guns to kill.

People use knives to kill

People use cars to kill

People use bats to kill

And the only thing in common there is... people.  NONE of those things has ever killed anyone on it's own. 

I hope you don't give a gun to any mentally unstable person.  You don't know what you're talking about.

[Deluge]

20 hours ago, blackbird said:

  I never said anything about deaths by knives or other weapons.  You are making a false assumption when you say I don't care how many die by knives. 

Then talk about it. Stop being a gun grabbing psychopath and express your outrage over the deaths of Americans at the hands of illegal aliens. 

[WestCanMan]

28 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The issue of the bare-faced lie of the maga gun movement has nothing to do with Covid and the unvaxxed issue that took place in Canada.

Considering how close Canada came to 100% tyranny, it's not wrong for Americans to think of tyranny as more than an extreme outlier.

[WestCanMan]

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The left is not known for logic, but that right there is the most amazing display of stupidity i've heard of since the flat earthers got drunk and tried to explain. 

I wonder what eyeball, herbie, exflyer, MH and the other leftrds here would do if CNN and CBC said the earth is actually flat....

I know what at least 99% of them would do: start saying the earth is flat

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

I hope you don't give a gun to any mentally unstable person. 

I promise i will never give you a gun

Quote

You don't know what you're talking about.

I know everything i'm talking about. In great detail and with stats and facts. Not the fake bullcrap you peddle. 

You don't give a shit about mentally unstable people. You don't give a shit about who they kill. You don't give a shit about anything other than your hatred and irrational fear of guns.  You're a hoplophobe, not a philanthrope. 

Did you start your thread by saying "we need better controls for mentally ill people so they can't access weapons"? 

nope. 

You said that it was a "Lie" that people kill people, guns don't. 

Yet it's 100 percent true. 

You're a liar and a hypocrite and you're no Christian. 

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

I wonder what eyeball, herbie, exflyer, MH and the other leftrds here would do if CNN and CBC said the earth is actually flat....

I know what at least 99% of them would do: start saying the earth is flat

 

Eyeball would say he's been saying the earth is flat for decades now. 

Herbie would say "OF COURSE ITS FLAT AND WE WANT TO BE FLAT AND WE HAVE THE LEFT TO THANK FOR IT, NOT THE CANTSERVATIVES!"

Exflyer would post 100 posts with a meme saying that those who don't think the earth is flat are LOSERS!! YOU"RE THE LOSERS!! NOT ME!!!! NOOOOTT MEEEEEEEE!!!! (pay attention to me dammit, i don't have a father!)

MH would say "Why are we even talking about whether or not the earth is flat? Conservatives are such Chuds!"

Soul would say "My 6 year old told me it was flat already so  I knew that"

LOL Well they may not be bright but at leas they're predictable.   

 

Edited September 3, 2025 by CdnFox

[WestCanMan]

23 hours ago, blackbird said:

  I never said anything about deaths by knives or other weapons.  You are making a false assumption when you say I don't care how many die by knives. 

So knives kill people then, by your logic, correct?

If knives kill people, and cars kill people, and vans kill people, and ropes kill people, and hammers kill people, and bats kill people, and diesel and fertilizer kill people, and guns kill people, and doctors kill more people than all of those things put together, should we just pick one thing from that list to ban?  

[blackbird]

Another news report pointing out another person that should not have been allowed to own firearms.

"Texas man accused of shooting 19-year-old to death says he was ‘testing his cousin’s reaction’

A Texas man accused of shooting his 19-year-old cousin dead told police it was accidental — and that he was trying to test his reaction time.

Jose Magareno, 21, was arrested and charged with murder in the fatal shooting of his younger cousin, Emmanuel Najera, on Monday, The Dallas Morning News reported.

Najera and his younger brother were visiting Magareno at his home in Dallas to celebrate Najera’s birthday when the shooting unfolded around 5 p.m., according to a Dallas police arrest-warrant affidavit obtained by the outlet.

The group was in a bedroom discussing firearms and practicing concealed carry when Magareno asked Najera to test his “reaction time,” the affidavit said.

Instead, Magareno drew a loaded pistol and shot Najera in the chest, the affidavit said.

Magareno called 911 and told the operator he “accidentally” shot his younger cousin, according to the affidavit.

The 21-year-old later told police he regularly practiced using his firearm and believed he had removed the rounds from the gun before pointing it at his cousin and pulling the trigger.

Najera was taken to a nearby hospital where he was pronounced dead around 8 p.m.

Magareno was booked into the Dallas County Jail on a murder charge. As of Wednesday, his bond had not been set, according to jail records.  

Police investigation into the shooting remains ongoing.

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Texas man accused of shooting 19-year-old to death says he was ‘testing his cousin’s reaction’

Najero went to his cousins to celebrate his birthday and ended being shot to death.  

 

Edited September 4, 2025 by blackbird

[Legato]

5 hours ago, blackbird said:

I hope you don't give a gun to any mentally unstable person.  You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[blackbird]

27 minutes ago, Legato said:

 

"In British Columbia, approximately 84,000 school-aged students experience one or more mental health disorders at some point in their lives. However, only about one-third of these students receive the necessary treatment. This highlights the significant mental health challenges faced by students in the province. 

www.sfu.ca"

"

'Shocking' increase in number of B.C. youth who self-harm: Health survey

Latest survey of B.C. youths finds decreased optimism, increased self-harm and fewer connections to school and community"

'Shocking' increase in number of BC youth who self-harm: Health survey | Vancouver Sun

The combination of mental health disorders and guns is the problem.  Nobody with mental health issues should have access to guns.

The Bible can be helpful to those who believe it.

"

Bible Verses About Mental Health KJV

Finding Peace in Turbulent Times

In moments of confusion and turmoil, we often find ourselves seeking peace. God, in His infinite wisdom, reminds us that He is the source of true peace. The Bible verses about mental health encourage us to turn our worries into prayers and trust that God will guard our hearts and minds. It’s a wonderful assurance that, even in the throes of anxiety, we can experience tranquility through faith. As we share these verses, let’s remind ourselves of the peace that surpasses all understanding.

Philippians 4:6-7

“Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.” – Philippians 4:6-7

John 14:27

“Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.” – John 14:27

Isaiah 26:3

“Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.” – Isaiah 26:3

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30 Powerful bible verses about mental health kjv (Full Commentary) - Bible Study For You

Edited September 4, 2025 by blackbird

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

"In British Columbia, approximately 84,000 school-aged students experience one or more mental health disorders at some point in their lives. However, only about one-third of these students receive the necessary treatment. This highlights the significant mental health challenges faced by students in the province. 

www.sfu.ca"

"

'Shocking' increase in number of B.C. youth who self-harm: Health survey

Latest survey of B.C. youths finds decreased optimism, increased self-harm and fewer connections to school and community"

'Shocking' increase in number of BC youth who self-harm: Health survey | Vancouver Sun

The combination of mental health disorders and guns is the problem.  Nobody with mental health issues should have access to guns.

The Bible can be helpful to those who believe it.

"

Bible Verses About Mental Health KJV

Finding Peace in Turbulent Times

In moments of confusion and turmoil, we often find ourselves seeking peace. God, in His infinite wisdom, reminds us that He is the source of true peace. The Bible verses about mental health encourage us to turn our worries into prayers and trust that God will guard our hearts and minds. It’s a wonderful assurance that, even in the throes of anxiety, we can experience tranquility through faith. As we share these verses, let’s remind ourselves of the peace that surpasses all understanding.

Philippians 4:6-7

“Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.” – Philippians 4:6-7

John 14:27

“Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.” – John 14:27

Isaiah 26:3

“Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.” – Isaiah 26:3

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30 Powerful bible verses about mental health kjv (Full Commentary) - Bible Study For You

Yet most british columbian kids have access to guns or use them from time to time, and aren't shooting up other kids.  Shootings around here are crime related but i don't hear you demanding we crack down on crime. 

The only one with a mental health issue is you.