Is Quebec Becoming The New Evil Empire?

[Zeitgeist]

Quebec, the jurisdiction with one of the lowest birth rates and highest assisted suicide rates in the world, is now attempting to ban prayer outdoors.  Make no mistake, this is undemocratic and unconstitutional.  Religious freedom and expression is a basic human right.  I didn’t think we did things that are Stalinist or Maoist in Canada until a few years ago. If this continues to be the direction of Canada, we’re in a very sad state.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/public-prayer-ban-quebec-1.7619985

Edited August 28, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Quebec, the jurisdiction with one of the lowest birth rates and highest assisted suicide rates in the world, is now attempting to ban prayer outdoors.  Make no mistake, this is undemocratic and unconstitutional.  Religious freedom and expression is a basic human right.  I didn’t think we did things that are Stalinist or Maoist in Canada until a few years ago. If this continues to be the direction of Canada, we’re in a very sad state.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/public-prayer-ban-quebec-1.7619985

Amongst other problem. US to wage Holy War on Canada? I'm trying to read between the line here but it might be targeted at Islam. Christians and Jews do not worship in the street. 

Edited August 28, 2025 by paxamericana

[Zeitgeist]

31 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Amongst other problem. US to wage Holy War on Canada? I'm trying to read between the line here but it might be targeted at Islam. Christians and Jews do not worship in the street. 

Quebec shot themselves in the foot culturally when they gave up their constitutional right to publicly funded Catholic education, which is the single most important protection of French culture besides perhaps the French language itself.  Now Quebecers resent the fact that Muslims in Quebec are actually interested in expressing their faith.  They don’t like seeing headscarves, so they imposed fascist Bill 20, a ban on religious garb in the public sector, including wearing crucifixes.

Quebec is ideologically captured by separatists, communists, and LGBTQ activists.  They turned their back on Christianity and have one of the world’s lowest birth rates, so they can only survive as a culture now through mass immigration from French speaking countries, many of which are Muslim or have cultures that the Quebeqois culture police dislike.

Quebec did this to themselves.  It’s ironic that Anglo Canada has done a better job propping up the Holy Roman Empire than Quebec has.  Quebec fled from its cultural roots in the Quiet Revolution and now has the highest suicide rate of the larger provinces and fascistic language and suppression of religion laws. Pretty place to visit but I wouldn’t want to live there.

Edited August 28, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[suds]

23 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Quebec, the jurisdiction with one of the lowest birth rates and highest assisted suicide rates in the world, is now attempting to ban prayer outdoors.  Make no mistake, this is undemocratic and unconstitutional.  Religious freedom and expression is a basic human right.  I didn’t think we did things that are Stalinist or Maoist in Canada until a few years ago. If this continues to be the direction of Canada, we’re in a very sad state.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/public-prayer-ban-quebec-1.7619985

For the last 7 months, Muslims have been holding Sunday prayers and protests outside Montreal's Notre-Dame Basilica. I would imagine the protests are largely anti Israel. Quebec politicians are calling it 'intimidation'. Are they right? Or is there some other significance for this particular location? The prayers and protests outside the Basilica are being met with counter protests by Quebec Nationalists. This is not good.

[Zeitgeist]

21 hours ago, suds said:

For the last 7 months, Muslims have been holding Sunday prayers and protests outside Montreal's Notre-Dame Basilica. I would imagine the protests are largely anti Israel. Quebec politicians are calling it 'intimidation'. Are they right? Or is there some other significance for this particular location? The prayers and protests outside the Basilica are being met with counter protests by Quebec Nationalists. This is not good.

It’s called democracy.  Why isn’t it good?  If people don’t have a means of expressing their opinions and opposition, tyranny is pretty much inevitable.  Peaceful protest must remain perfectly legal. Too bad if some people don’t like the sight of people praying or wearing certain garb.  

[suds]

8 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

It’s called democracy.  Why isn’t it good?  If people don’t have a means of expressing their opinions and opposition, tyranny is pretty much inevitable.  Peaceful protest must remain perfectly legal. Too bad if some people don’t like the sight of people praying or wearing certain garb.  

The most basic definition of democracy is mob rule, so let's not go there. As a rights issue, all rights are not absolute. Especially when one's rights, or a  group's rights, interferes with the fundamental rights of others. I'm not saying that's what's happening in this case, but it could be. Church goers may feel intimidated by their presence. Since they've been there praying and protesting every Sunday for the last 7 months, nobody can say their rights have been violated. At least so far. In Quebec, I believe you require a permit to protest in public places. When I made the statement of this being 'not good', I was referring to the involvement of the protesters and the counter protesters with the probability of the situation getting out of hand. In general I agree with your post but in certain situations there are limitations (on rights) and that's for the Courts to decide.

Edited August 31, 2025 by suds

[John Stone]

Gentlemen, what is really hilarious is Canada's so-called Constitution - specifically Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Any Constitution ruling upheld by our esteemed Superior Court by a bunch of hack politicians using the notwithstanding clause is not worth the paper it is written on. 

I believe Trudeau Snr. is responsible for that - Pierre sowed the wind with it and Canada is going to reap the whirlwind. 

[herbie]

On 8/30/2025 at 9:42 AM, Zeitgeist said:

It’s called democracy.

That's why the ban is for everyone praying in public, not just the ones you don't like.
That's why Nov. 11 they'll ask you to take a moment of silence (to think about and remember the sacrifices), not ask you to pray to some imaginary deity. Which you can still do should you choose so.

Edited November 5, 2025 by herbie

[BeaverFever]

On 11/4/2025 at 2:35 PM, John Stone said:

Gentlemen, what is really hilarious is Canada's so-called Constitution - specifically Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Any Constitution ruling upheld by our esteemed Superior Court by a bunch of hack politicians using the notwithstanding clause is not worth the paper it is written on. 

I believe Trudeau Snr. is responsible for that - Pierre sowed the wind with it and Canada is going to reap the whirlwind. 

The irony is since then the Liberal Party has become the anti-notwithstanding clause party and is attempting to persuade the courts that its application should be highly limited, while conservative parties, the dubiously self-proclaimed party of freedom, oppose limiting the NWC and are the only non-Quebec political entities to have used the NWC including for mundane matters and minor inconveniences like ending labour strikes, random tinkering with municipal government and stopping the dreaded homos from living a happy life with each other.  

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 11/4/2025 at 4:05 PM, John Stone said:

Gentlemen, what is really hilarious is Canada's so-called Constitution - specifically Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Any Constitution ruling upheld by our esteemed Superior Court by a bunch of hack politicians using the notwithstanding clause is not worth the paper it is written on. 

I believe Trudeau Snr. is responsible for that - Pierre sowed the wind with it and Canada is going to reap the whirlwind. 

What should Trudeau have done? 

[herbie]

We all know the Tories opposed a Constitution and Charter of Rights. And the now perfectly acceptable choice to use the notwithstanding clause is proof the still do. The hypocritical condemnation to attack Quebec for it's use of the same to protect it's own cultural identity rather than some petty labour dispute is the ultimate of that.

The claim that those who do uphold the Constitution are mere political hacks is proof of someone who does not want or refuses to respect such a document. 

Shame!

[John Stone]

20 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

The irony is since then the Liberal Party has become the anti-notwithstanding clause party and is attempting to persuade the courts that its application should be highly limited, while conservative parties, the dubiously self-proclaimed party of freedom, oppose limiting the NWC and are the only non-Quebec political entities to have used the NWC including for mundane matters and minor inconveniences like ending labour strikes, random tinkering with municipal government and stopping the dreaded homos from living a happy life with each other.  

CANADA has a constitution in name only - the regrets are only beginning. As the use of the NWC becomes more normalized expect Quebec increasingly to use it more often to further their own separatist goals. You are being incredibly naive to expect a politician's moral compass to trump his/her political ambitions. OMG, man .... the world is going the other way. 

[BeaverFever]

4 hours ago, John Stone said:

CANADA has a constitution in name only - the regrets are only beginning. As the use of the NWC becomes more normalized expect Quebec increasingly to use it more often to further their own separatist goals. You are being incredibly naive to expect a politician's moral compass to trump his/her political ambitions. OMG, man .... the world is going the other way. 

You’re exaggerating, the supreme court enforces the constitution regularly, usually causing conservatives to pull out their chest hairs in frustration. In this week’s headlines alone they’ve rejected the government’s mandatory minimum sentencing law and sent it back to government to re-work.   Do conservatives occasionally abuse the NWC for frivolous or political purposes?  Yes. But this is still the rare exception and not the rule, we’ve had the charter for several decades now and most of the time it works. In Quebec it’s more of a mixed story but only as it pertains to ethnic minorities and culture war.  Quebecers still have the ability to vote out a government that they feel abuses it and note that certain charter rights including democratic rights are immune from NWC. 

[August1991]

On 11/4/2025 at 2:35 PM, John Stone said:

Gentlemen, what is really hilarious is Canada's so-called Constitution - specifically Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Any Constitution ruling upheld by our esteemed Superior Court by a bunch of hack politicians using the notwithstanding clause is not worth the paper it is written on. 

I believe Trudeau Snr. is responsible for that - Pierre sowed the wind with it and Canada is going to reap the whirlwind. 

You make a good point.

Centuries later, people in Quebec still speak French:

Newfoundlanders still have their accent.

And people in Iceland - a few hundred thousand, no immigration, sustainable - still make good music:

 

[John Stone]

On 11/11/2025 at 1:19 PM, BeaverFever said:

You’re exaggerating, the supreme court enforces the constitution regularly, usually causing conservatives to pull out their chest hairs in frustration. In this week’s headlines alone they’ve rejected the government’s mandatory minimum sentencing law and sent it back to government to re-work.   Do conservatives occasionally abuse the NWC for frivolous or political purposes?  Yes. But this is still the rare exception and not the rule, we’ve had the charter for several decades now and most of the time it works. In Quebec it’s more of a mixed story but only as it pertains to ethnic minorities and culture war.  Quebecers still have the ability to vote out a government that they feel abuses it and note that certain charter rights including democratic rights are immune from NWC. 

Exaggerating, perhaps - hope so? 

On the other hand hack politicians thru the notwithstanding clause do have  the power to overpower  (defer) a Supreme Court ruling. 

 

[August1991]

On 11/12/2025 at 3:36 PM, John Stone said:

Exaggerating, perhaps - hope so? 

On the other hand hack politicians thru the notwithstanding clause do have  the power to overpower  (defer) a Supreme Court ruling. 

 

Pierre Trudeau wanted a method to amend our Constitution and a Charter of Rights to restrict the power of the State and protect the individual.

He was forced to compromise.

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You Americans have both: a clear method to amend and protection of the individual.  

[August1991]

In Victoria BC, in 1971, advised by Claude Morin, Robert Bourassa foolishly refused an agreement where we would continue to have the Constitution as such (BNA Act)- but the Quebec government would have veto on any constitutional change.

Why did Bourassa refuse? Morin advised him to ask for more.

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Nowadays, we have ridiculous 7/majority measures and notwithstanding clauses.

[I am Groot]

On 11/11/2025 at 12:19 PM, BeaverFever said:

You’re exaggerating, the supreme court enforces the constitution regularly,

You mean the Supreme Court imaginatively reinterprets the Constitution regularly in line with its social justice activist views.

[I am Groot]

On 8/29/2025 at 2:54 PM, suds said:

For the last 7 months, Muslims have been holding Sunday prayers and protests outside Montreal's Notre-Dame Basilica. I would imagine the protests are largely anti Israel. Quebec politicians are calling it 'intimidation'. Are they right? Or is there some other significance for this particular location? The prayers and protests outside the Basilica are being met with counter protests by Quebec Nationalists. This is not good.

This isn't simply a Quebec thing. Muslims have been praying in the streets and outside synagogues and churches now, from the US to the UK. France, Australia, and Germany. Yes, it's intimidation. They have lots of mosques. They don't gather in their dozens or hundreds, or even thousands, surrounding some Christian churches or occupying major thoroughfares to pray for any other reason. Islamists in Germany are now protesting Christmas markets and marching through them, chanting Allah Akhbar in large numbers because they don't believe in Christmas. The more the Left delays cracking down on this vermin, the more violence there is going to be.   

Canada, of course, will continue to import them and pander to them as long as the Liberals are in power. Nothing and no one matters to Liberals but votes, and Muslims vote Liberal. Not because they agree in the slightest with their leftist views or what they consider perverted beliefs in LGBT stuff, but because they know Liberals will do what they want, which is keep bringing in more Islamists and giving them more power.

Edited November 22, 2025 by I am Groot

[John Stone]

9 hours ago, August1991 said:

Pierre Trudeau wanted a method to amend our Constitution and a Charter of Rights to restrict the power of the State and protect the individual.

He was forced to compromise.

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You Americans have both: a clear method to amend and protection of the individual.  

They say hindsight is 20/20

 

Trudeau the senior was naive, not just in introducing the Notwithstanding clause as an enticement to Quebec, but  in believing that Canada as a whole could be relied upon to use the POWER that it provided in a responsible manner.  It is no exaggeration in saying that the clause could quickly easily become the seed that destroys a country. 

Trudeau did have a choice - he was after the glory - poor fool. Even Justin laments his own fathers initiative.  There is some validity to those that say Canada would have been better off letting  sleeping dogs lay wrt BNA. 

Yes, Canada's Supreme Court can rule on any number of things - but on any number of things the ruling can be overruled - one of the most outrageous is Quebec's language laws - LANGUAGE???? Spare me the reason - protecting French  culture - it is a divisive ploy to gain / retain power. 

Canada's Constitution is a useless utterance, and mark my words, it will be seen to become even more so. 

 

 

[CdnFox]

On 8/28/2025 at 1:22 PM, paxamericana said:

Amongst other problem. US to wage Holy War on Canada? I'm trying to read between the line here but it might be targeted at Islam. Christians and Jews do not worship in the street. 

Probably.  but once you open the door to restrictions on religion like that it'll wind up getting used and abused against christians as well. 

I'm not terribly religious but i do think it's important to protect the rights of those who are.  If you want to restrict large gatherings and such because they're disruptive that's one thing but then do that, don't tell people where they can and cannot pray 

[herbie]

OMG Quebec is forcing school children to wear berets and learn Arabic numerals!

Evil! Evil I tell you!

[CdnFox]

15 hours ago, herbie said:

OMG Quebec is forcing school children to wear berets and learn Arabic numerals!

Evil! Evil I tell you!

LOL  ahh yes your usual freak out when you realize the left is doing something stupid   They're banning religion outdoors, no mention of berets   

[John Stone]

18 hours ago, CdnFox said:

LOL  ahh yes your usual freak out when you realize the left is doing something stupid   They're banning religion outdoors, no mention of berets   

Bill 101 / Bill 96?

Not evil ................ just fascist!

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, John Stone said:

Bill 101 / Bill 96?

Not evil ................ just fascist!

I don't know if you can call that fascism, but there is no doubt that there are fiercely nationalistic to the point of repressing freedoms