CARNEY Drops MORE Tariffs As Soon As Daddy Trump Tells him. Trump says he likes the guy.

[Aristides]

25 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Growing pain, its a good thing.

So what did any of that have to do with Biden?

I'm not worried about Canada in the long term.

[Shady]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

We dropped tariffs on CUSMA compliant goods, the tariffs on steel, aluminum and autos remain so basically we are tariffing the same things as the US.

We still have supply management in place, which puts tariffs on American dairy products if they exceed certain levels in order to protect Canadian dairy which means artificially higher dairy prices for Canadian consumers.

[Aristides]

2 minutes ago, Shady said:

We still have supply management in place, which puts tariffs on American dairy products if they exceed certain levels in order to protect Canadian dairy which means artificially higher dairy prices for Canadian consumers.

That's part of CUSMA which Trump negotiated in his first term.

I would say that Americans pay artificially lower prices because their industry is subsidized and ours is user pay. 

[Shady]

24 minutes ago, Aristides said:

That's part of CUSMA which Trump negotiated in his first term.

I would say that Americans pay artificially lower prices because their industry is subsidized and ours is user pay. 

No it’s not.  It’s existed long before Trump was in politics.  We have had tariffs up protecting Canadian dairy for decades.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Honestly trump could nuke our country, carney would say it's all part of the plan and you'd be defending him.

And you'd be telling us we had it coming. 

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

We dropped tariffs on CUSMA compliant goods, the tariffs on steel, aluminum and autos remain so basically we are tariffing the same things as the US.

The point isn't dropping tariffs. The point is, you shouldn't put them on if you are going to drop them without getting anything from the other side. Also that if we violate CUSMA then so can they.

[Aristides]

47 minutes ago, Shady said:

No it’s not.  It’s existed long before Trump was in politics.  We have had tariffs up protecting Canadian dairy for decades.

Which was negotiated in previous NAFTA agreements. The present tariffs were negotiated under Trump and Canada did give up more access to the Canadian market than the previous agreement. Try doing at least a little fact checking before you put your foot in it.

[I am Groot]

I've said all along that the way Trump has treated Canada has little or nothing to do with trade. It's other issues that he wants resolved. It's China's influence here and the influx of foreigners who aren't screened. It's the lack of military preparedness and the ignoring of money laundering by organized crime. The drug smuggling thing was an excuse, sure, since not much finds its way to the US, but it was also a clue. And Sam Cooper might have fleshed that out in a recent story.

https://www.thebureau.news/p/inside-the-falkland-superlab-how

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, I am Groot said:

The point isn't dropping tariffs. The point is, you shouldn't put them on if you are going to drop them without getting anything from the other side. Also that if we violate CUSMA then so can they.

They were put on by Trudeau,  not Carney. They did in fact violate CUSMA so it isn't really surprising that keeping them on would make negotiations more difficult.

[Shady]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Which was negotiated in previous NAFTA agreements. The present tariffs were negotiated under Trump and Canada did give up more access to the Canadian market than the previous agreement. Try doing at least a little fact checking before you put your foot in it.

You’re making my point.  Canada has had a tariff system in place against American dairy goods for decades.  There was no American equivalent.  Canada gave up more access because Trump demanded it, because there are no American tariffs on Canadian dairy products.  These tariffs Canada still has on American dairy are tariffs that you and Carney seem to be fine with, despite acknowledging that it increases prices for Canadians, and the tariffs being paid by Canadians, despite your recent conversion away from eMobile’s up, dollar for dollar tariffs.  I guess that was just to win the election.  But I can only imagine what you Carney cultists would be saying if within a few months of winning the election, Pierre dropped almost all the reciprocal tariffs put in place by the Liberal government.

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, Shady said:

You’re making my point.  Canada has had a tariff system in place against American dairy goods for decades.  There was no American equivalent.  Canada gave up more access because Trump demanded it, because there are no American tariffs on Canadian dairy products.  These tariffs Canada still has on American dairy are tariffs that you and Carney seem to be fine with, despite acknowledging that it increases prices for Canadians, and the tariffs being paid by Canadians, despite your recent conversion away from eMobile’s up, dollar for dollar tariffs.  I guess that was just to win the election.  But I can only imagine what you Carney cultists would be saying if within a few months of winning the election, Pierre dropped almost all the reciprocal tariffs put in place by the Liberal government.

There is an American equivalent, the same quotas apply to Canadian dairy going to the US. Except going over the quota is simply not allowed. So you are correct, there are no US tariffs, they just don't allow us to exceed them, period.

If you want billions of your tax dollars spent on matching US dairy subsidies so our farms can remain competitive, just say so. 

 

[Legato]

5 minutes ago, Shady said:

But I can only imagine what you Carney cultists would be saying if within a few months of winning the election, Pierre dropped almost all the reciprocal tariffs put in place by the Liberal government.

Yup. I would be buying shares in megaphine companies.

[Aristides]

We only dropped tariffs on things that were CUSMA compliant. The US doesn't tariff those either.

[Aristides]

Canada imported $877 million in dairy from the US last year while exporting $524 million to the US so the US has a substantial trade surplus in dairy. Most of the US demand is for premium cheeses, particularly goat and sheep's milk cheeses which are rare in the US.

https://www.producer.com/news/u-s-dairy-exports-to-canada-up-67-per-cent/

https://agrimoon.com/canadian-dairy-exports-to-the-u-s-flourish-amid-specialized-demand/

[WestCanMan]

14 hours ago, herbie said:

Shit excuse for a Canadian without a clue regarding negotiations nor the economy used yet another event to belittle his PM.
No wonder he loves PP. Should apply to the National Post.

You can't admit that Carney is losing again? 

FYI it isn't Cdn's fault that Carney failed again. You're the one who voted for that worthless bag of garbage. 

What has carney even accomplished thus far while he wasn't on his knees in the Oral Office? 

2 hours ago, Shady said:

We still have supply management in place, which puts tariffs on American dairy products if they exceed certain levels in order to protect Canadian dairy which means artificially higher dairy prices for Canadian consumers.

A small price to pay for protecting Quebec's economy. I guess? 

[Aristides]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

 

A small price to pay for protecting Quebec's economy. I guess? 

So you would also like your tax money going to match US dairy subsidies. Small price to pay I guess. Some conservative you are.

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

So you would also like your tax money going to match US dairy subsidies. Small price to pay I guess. Some conservative you are.

Id like the Quebec dairy cartel to lose a round. What the F is wrong with that, Aristedes?

How is that "unCanadian"? 

And isn't your position on all things related to tariffs "TARIFFS ARE BAD, THEY RAISE PRICES FOR EVERYONE!!!!"?

Why don't you dislike the dairy tariffs? Are they an exception?

Can you come up with a consistent position on whether tariffs are good or bad? 

Edited August 23, 2025 by WestCanMan

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

Id like the Quebec dairy cartel to lose a round. What the F is wrong with that, Aristedes?

How is that "unCanadian"? 

Lose what? You want an entire industry taken over by subsidized US dairy. Yes, that is "unCanadian".

[WestCanMan]

Just now, Aristides said:

Lose what? You want an entire industry taken over by subsidized US dairy. Yes, that is "unCanadian".

Make our dairy quotas fair, then we'll talk. 

As long as this confederation is just a means of redistributing Canada's wealth into Quebec, I see no reason to support Canadian sovereignty. 

 

Again, do you think tariffs are good or bad? You have been 100% hypocritical to this point. Pick a side. 

[Aristides]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Make our dairy quotas fair, then we'll talk. 

As long as this confederation is just a means of redistributing Canada's wealth into Quebec, I see no reason to support Canadian sovereignty. 

 

Again, do you think tariffs are good or bad? You have been 100% hypocritical to this point. Pick a side. 

What is fair? There is one big problem with our quota system for western dairy farmers. Since the dairy board was taken over by the feds, milk prices are set nationally instead of regionally. Fraser Valley farmers are really suffering because the price they get isn't covering the higher costs of farming here. I know one multigenerational dairy farmer who looked at the fact he was slowly borrowing to stay in business until he went broke, so he sold his cows, quota and dairy equipment, paid off his debts and went into growing high quality hay for horse people. Business is booming and he is having to make sure he doesn't sell so much that he won't have enough to see his regular customers through the winter.

Tariffs can be necessary if your competition is being subsidized by governments. When the US drops all its farm subsidies, then we can talk about tariffs.

[WestCanMan]

36 minutes ago, Aristides said:

What is fair? There is one big problem with our quota system for western dairy farmers. Since the dairy board was taken over by the feds, milk prices are set nationally instead of regionally. Fraser Valley farmers are really suffering because the price they get isn't covering the higher costs of farming here. I know one multigenerational dairy farmer who looked at the fact he was slowly borrowing to stay in business until he went broke, so he sold his cows, quota and dairy equipment, paid off his debts and went into growing high quality hay for horse people. Business is booming and he is having to make sure he doesn't sell so much that he won't have enough to see his regular customers through the winter.

Tariffs can be necessary if your competition is being subsidized by governments. When the US drops all its farm subsidies, then we can talk about tariffs.

Nice anecdote, I guess.

https://thedeepdive.ca/how-quebecs-dairy-quotas-block-trade-and-hurt-consumers-and-why-supply-management-must-end/

• $11 billion of milk dumped between 2012 and 2024, near-300% import tariffs, and repeatedly thwarted trade negotiations.

• (you'll care about this one Aristedes) Environmentally, dumping 11 billion litres of milk over 12 years has wasted prodigious volumes of water, feed crops, and the greenhouse gases embedded in production—a half-decade of ecological loss under the banner of stability.

Look at that. The dairy quota contributed to AGW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

And you'd be telling us we had it coming. 

And if you keep  voting for the asswipes who made it happen would i be wrong?  

[herbie]

15 hours ago, eyeball said:

It's just too bad Carney couldn't do a better job of pointing out and convincing Canadians that tariffs ultimately do more economic damage to those who impose them.

You're arguing with Maple MAGAts that think paying $12 for a jug of orange juice hurts Americans and not them.
The right wing dogma that someone must be punished - even if it's you yourself.

The goal is neither side puts a tariff on anything other than extremely vital economic sectors. Like food production!

So now we're down to only steel aluminum and lumber and they paint that as a loss....

"Negotiation" is not defined as standing there stamping your feet shouting No! No! like a baby tossing a tantrum. So we recognize that even if Baby Donnie only does that, which in Canada's case he appears to be tiring of. Carney's cool headed approach appears to be working.

And the onus is on YOU doing your part by favouring Canadian products and vacations.

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, herbie said:

You're arguing with Maple MAGAts that think paying $12 for a jug of orange juice hurts Americans and not them.
The right wing dogma that someone must be punished - even if it's you yourself.

The goal is neither side puts a tariff on anything other than extremely vital economic sectors. Like food production!

So now we're down to only steel aluminum and lumber and they paint that as a loss....

"Negotiation" is not defined as standing there stamping your feet shouting No! No! like a baby tossing a tantrum. So we recognize that even if Baby Donnie only does that, which in Canada's case he appears to be tiring of. Carney's cool headed approach appears to be working.

And the onus is on YOU doing your part by favouring Canadian products and vacations.

Sigh.  So much stupidity in such a bitter angry package  

 I know! You can pay all the tariffs with your magic credit card and TRIPLE the value of trade!!!! LOLOL

Here's the truly funny thing. Carney is currently sounding exactly like Danielle Smith who also advocated for no tariffs and a cooperative negotiation instead of reprisals. A woman whom you called a Trader to Canada for the same beliefs that carney is promoting now and that you're trying to sell

Is hypocrisy was an Olympic sport you'd be gold

[eyeball]

58 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And if you keep  voting for the asswipes who made it happen would i be wrong?  

I never voted for you.