Abolish Property Taxes?

[Aristides]

On 8/20/2025 at 4:23 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

Well to be fair, the US taxpayer (and its debt responsibilities) pays for a lot of the defence of the western world, and its allies (including parts of Asia).  Trump has a right to have a beef on that.  At least he's not in the pockets of the military industrial complex, which is essentially corporate welfare for US defence companies and has been since WWII.

I guess it doesn't matter where the taxes come from, they need to be charged by government somewhere.  I guess the debate is from where and from who?

I guarantee one thing. Even if NATO countries to hit 5% GDP on defence, the US will not spend less. It may even spend more because the US has to be #1.

A huge part of US GDP comes from the military industrial complex and a big reason Trump is pushing higher defence spending from allies is to provide customers for that industry. Between the defence industry and huge tech companies, he is very much in their pockets.

https://www.aia-aerospace.org/news/2024-facts-figures-american-aerospace-and-defense-remains-an-economic-powerhouse/

Edited August 22, 2025 by Aristides

[Moonlight Graham]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

I guarantee one thing. Even if NATO countries to hit 5% GDP on defence, the US will not spend less. It may even spend more because the US has to be #1.

A huge part of US GDP comes from the military industrial complex and a big reason Trump is pushing higher defence spending from allies is to provide customers for that industry. Between the defence industry and huge tech companies, he is very much in their pockets.

https://www.aia-aerospace.org/news/2024-facts-figures-american-aerospace-and-defense-remains-an-economic-powerhouse/

This sounds like speculation. I don't see any real sign he's in their pockets, at least not nearly like the other politicians.  He's certainly not starting wars like the establishment GOP and Democrats do.

Canada also wants to buy as much defense equipment from non-US allies as they can given the trade war with Trump.

[TreeBeard]

13 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

He's certainly not starting wars like the establishment GOP and Democrats do.

Bombing Iran doesn’t count?

[Legato]

17 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Bombing Iran doesn’t count?

No.

[TreeBeard]

4 minutes ago, Legato said:

No.

Why not?

[herbie]

Your property taxes do not pay for guns and bombs and armies so WTF is this shit all about?
Your property taxes are so high because you're paying to protect the whole western world? Get back to Earth already...

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

Why not?

A surgical strike is not a war.  Should be pretty obvious. 

 

[Legato]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

Why not?

The action was to destroy Iran's nuclear capability so as to prevent any further war like actions.

But you knew that, so why make the statement.

36 minutes ago, herbie said:

Your property taxes do not pay for guns and bombs and armies so WTF is this shit all about?
Your property taxes are so high because you're paying to protect the whole western world? Get back to Earth already...

You sure?

[herbie]

Yeah they just put new water lines and repaved my street and didn't send National Guardsmen to to do it.

[TreeBeard]

44 minutes ago, Legato said:

The action was to destroy Iran's nuclear capability so as to prevent any further war like actions.

Odd.  Isn’t this the excuse for most bombing campaigns the last 20 years?

[Legato]

1 minute ago, TreeBeard said:

Odd.  Isn’t this the excuse for most bombing campaigns the last 20 years?

No.

[CdnFox]

26 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Odd.  Isn’t this the excuse for most bombing campaigns the last 20 years?

No. what the hell would make you even think that?

[Legato]

3 hours ago, herbie said:

Yeah they just put new water lines and repaved my street and didn't send National Guardsmen to to do it.

You sure?

[Moonlight Graham]

6 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Bombing Iran doesn’t count?

Is the US at war with Iran and going through gazillions of armaments to feed the defence contractors like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Ukraine?

[TreeBeard]

8 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Is the US at war with Iran and going through gazillions of armaments to feed the defence contractors like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Ukraine?

You don’t think it could have escalated?  
 

The “peace president” might be the silliest thing I’ve ever heard about Trump when he has sent his military in to American cities. Never mind other bombing campaigns ignored because they didn’t cost much money.  

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

You don’t think it could have escalated?  

No, and neither did trump, and you know what? Turns out we were both right  

[Moonlight Graham]

2 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

You don’t think it could have escalated?  
 

The “peace president” might be the silliest thing I’ve ever heard about Trump when he has sent his military in to American cities. Never mind other bombing campaigns ignored because they didn’t cost much money.  

I'm not a Trump fan, but credit where credit's due.

Protestors were the ones causing violence in California, not the National Guard or ICE.

Edited August 23, 2025 by Moonlight Graham

[TreeBeard]

On 8/22/2025 at 9:26 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

I'm not a Trump fan, but credit where credit's due.

Credit for what?  He bombed Iran after he messed up the nuclear agreement that was in place.  That’s not very peaceful. 

[Moonlight Graham]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

Credit for what?  He bombed Iran after he messed up the nuclear agreement that was in place.  That’s not very peaceful. 

More peaceful than any other president since at least Jimmy Carter.  On defense he's a leftists' wet dream.

Edited August 25, 2025 by Moonlight Graham

[Michael Hardner]

7 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

More peaceful than any other president since at least Jimmy Carter.  On defense he's a leftists' wet dream.

How so?

https://www.cfr.org/expert-brief/will-trumps-big-beautiful-defense-spending-last

 

To add: is saber rattling peaceful? 

 

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article311806681.html 

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-08-09/trump-us-military-action-mexican-drug-cartels/105631938

 

 

Edited August 25, 2025 by Michael Hardner

[herbie]

Trump promised to be a ‘peacemaker’ president. He launched nearly as many airstrikes in five months as Biden did in four years

But go on lie, lie, lie like a good Tumpalo

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Trump promised to be a ‘peacemaker’ president. He launched nearly as many airstrikes in five months as Biden did in four years

But go on lie, lie, lie like a good Tumpalo

Sorry but that's just an out and out lie. 

Biden is responsible for ukraine. start counting those airstrikes (although in fairness clinton recently tried to take credit for that war) 

Biden got more people killed in afghanistan than trump has in all his strikes combined 

You always have to lie to make your point. 

[herbie]

No it isn't a lie. A lie is an untruth, not what you personally claim it is.
First you state Biden is responsible for Ukraine. That's an outright baldfaced LIE right there. Putin is.
And Biden has no claim on the bombs Ukraine and Russia dropped. They did that.

2nd Biden started the withdrawal from Afghanistan, A botch job, but he wasn't dropping bombs there for 4 full years

So who's the f*cking liar? Billy?

[TreeBeard]

23 hours ago, herbie said:

Trump promised to be a ‘peacemaker’ president. He launched nearly as many airstrikes in five months as Biden did in four years

But go on lie, lie, lie like a good Tumpalo

 @Moonlight Graham - did you get a chance to read the article @herbie cited?  

[CdnFox]

22 hours ago, herbie said:

No it isn't a lie. A lie is an untruth, not what you personally claim it is.

And that was an untruth.  Therefore a lie 

 

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First you state Biden is responsible for Ukraine. That's an outright baldfaced LIE right there.

No it's not. That's a conflict that started due to Biden's policies or lack thereof

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Putin is.

Sure, that's true as well. But two things can be true.   And certainly that war would be over without american intervention so the fact that it went on was still bidens. 

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And Biden has no claim on the bombs Ukraine and Russia dropped. They did that.

Biden gave ukraine the bombs and it was his weakness that encouraged the attack by russia.  Remember this isn't coming out of the blue, america promised to protect ukraine in exchange for them giving up their nukes.  By showing he wouldn't biden invited the attack. 

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2nd Biden started the withdrawal from Afghanistan, A botch job, but he wasn't dropping bombs there for 4 full years

Got a lot of people killed in a military conflict.

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So who's the f*cking liar? Billy?

That would be you  

In your case the lie is the bait and switch where you claim that "peace" is ONLY dropping a bomb.  "he was the president of peace" you say BUT... he ISN'T according to you because he "dropped more bombs' which is not in any way shape or form the definition of war. 

The meaning of your claim is crystal clear, trump is not a president of peace compared to biden. But he is. Therefore, a lie. Biden has been directly involved in more and bloodier wars and conflicts that started under his term than trump.  Your attempt to claim otherwise is false.