Pierre is back!

[LinkSoul60]

16 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And? That's a few people, how does that change what i said? 

You tried to claim these are the only people, i pointed out that it's affecting a huge number of kids. 

You couldn't refute that so....  guess you're just going to ignore the truth?

LOL wow, that's your signature admission of failure   So you really ARE just a kid! I kinda thought so from the writing 

It's the article you posted....read it FFS!

Again, you're compelled to throw out your typical childish comments...  *sshole is the most fitting description of you little man.

 

 

[I am Groot]

17 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Liberals hate native born Canadians.... really?   Kind of a weak argument if you're trying to say 'liberals' are giving away all our jobs to TFW's.  When was the last time you've seen line-ups of native born Canadian's clamouring to get those high paying jobs in the fast food restaurants, cleaning hotels, driving taxi/Uber, farming, greenhouses, etc, etc?  

You really want things to get to the point where Canadians are lining up for a job at McDonalds? How about these organizations just routinely hire Canadians? And if they can't find enough, they raise their wages/benefits? That's how it's supposed to work, you know.

I thought you were a lefty. But here you seem to be saying "Screw poor Canadians! If they won't line up and beg for a minimum wage job, we'll bring in some desperate third-world person instead! We can't have businessmen forced to raise their wages!"

13 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I doubt many native born Canadians want a minimum paying job. I also doubt companies hire foreign workers because they can get away with more. We have workers rights and labor laws. 

What kind of a strange world do you live in where TFWs are going to complain to the labour board?

[CdnFox]

53 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I understand that, but the only noticeable change in the trends have been with Abacus +2% CPC.  Otherwise the rated as more reliable Nanos and Leger data have remained consistent with +10% - 12% LPC leads.  

Both nanos and leger were less accurate through most of the last election, and they use models that tend to lag. 

It's way too soon to celebrate of course.  Even if the poll is accurate, one poll in a series doesn't mean much regardless of the pollster. 

But the questions and methods they used and the sample size all are strong. And the responses tend to overlap well. I saw the interview with the pres of Abacus talking about the results and he had some solid reasoning for it. 

I think one of the reasons that pp was poling lower is that he was invisible. The media wanted nothing to do with him after the election and his name was almost never mentioned. As the fight for battle river finished he started getting more air time again and did a few interviews that got attention and suddenly his polling numbers are shooting up 

That effect will be Even larger as we go back to the house in a few weeks. He's also back out on the campaign trail doing ralleys and such and that's going to have a big effect. 
 

We'll have to see how the poling continues but i have a funny feeling that within the next month the other pollsters will sheepishly start to increase and agree with this one.

35 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

It's the article you posted....read it FFS!

And has nothing to do with what i said. FFS. 

How weak ARE your comprehension skills?  You claimed it was JUST those people i pointed out that it actually affects a HUGE range of people and you can't seem to get your head around the concept. No where in that story does it say they're the ONLY people affected. 🙄

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You need to learn to read what you post before doing so....

'She hasn't been able to find a job in her field and said she intends to pursue a master's degree'.

You don't have any curiosity as to why she has a degree in mechanical engineering and can't get any interest? Do you have any idea how many immigrants and foreign workers come in with engineering degrees?

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

"It is disheartening," said Thivian Varnacumaaran, an electrical engineering student in his final year at York University who estimates that he's applied for 400 to 500 jobs — with no luck — since he started searching in December.

Electrical engineering grad and can't get any interest. Why? Either his university is pumping out graduates of an unwanted course, or we're filling these jobs with foreigners and immigrants. In either case, we should be looking to do something about it.

AI Overview

While specific counts of all foreign-trained engineers arriving in Canada aren't readily available, data shows that foreign-born individuals constitute 43% of all engineers and are a significant portion of the workforce in scientific and engineering fields. Recent international students in Canada also show high interest in engineering programs, with 15,365 international undergraduate engineering students in 2022, making up 18.1% of total undergraduate enrollment.

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Yes, exactly....  A leader has to be charismatic 

Like Stephen Harper!

[LinkSoul60]

14 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

You really want things to get to the point where Canadians are lining up for a job at McDonalds? How about these organizations just routinely hire Canadians? And if they can't find enough, they raise their wages/benefits? That's how it's supposed to work, you know.

You've obviously had trouble following....  No I don't want people lining up at McDonalds and other minimum wage paying jobs....that's been my point, those are generally filled by TFW's because Canadian's are generally taught and raised to build careers, not simply find a low paying job.   And no, that's not how it's 'supposed' to work.  It works by companies hiring the most qualified and best talent they can find, which would include those minimum wage paying jobs.

19 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

What kind of a strange world do you live in where TFWs are going to complain to the labour board?

I live in a strange world because we have workers rights and labor laws?  I'd suggest you live in a stranger world with a preconceived racial bias that thinks all TFW's just keep quiet and do what they're told.

[eyeball]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Actually a crap tonne of them do.  THey're all young and unemployed. Wonder how they'll vote as they grow up

Probably for parties ready to face the inevitability of a guaranteed income - AI alone will force that.

The biggest challenge will be the moral panic surrounding people getting free money and stuff - heads will explode.

We better hope AI's are lefties is all I can say.

[LinkSoul60]

10 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

You don't have any curiosity as to why she has a degree in mechanical engineering and can't get any interest?

Wild guess....  there are not a lot of available openings right now with a stagnant job market and economy?

14 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Electrical engineering grad and can't get any interest. Why?

Same as above....?

15 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

While specific counts of all foreign-trained engineers arriving in Canada aren't readily available, data shows that foreign-born individuals constitute 43% of all engineers and are a significant portion of the workforce in scientific and engineering fields. Recent international students in Canada also show high interest in engineering programs, with 15,365 international undergraduate engineering students in 2022, making up 18.1% of total undergraduate enrollment.

Which means 57% of native born Canadian's have jobs/careers in these fields.  Business hires the most qualified and best skill set for the position and if there are not enough same level of qualified 'Canadians' to fill positions they fill them with foreign workers.  That's more a reflection on the younger generations education and career path than it is on business hiring practice.

24 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Like Stephen Harper!

Harper was a lot things, but charismatic wasn't one of them.  

[I am Groot]

11 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You've obviously had trouble following....  No I don't want people lining up at McDonalds and other minimum wage paying jobs....that's been my point, those are generally filled by TFW's because Canadian's are generally taught and raised to build careers, not simply find a low paying job

And yet there are many Canadians whose education, IQ, and skill level are qualified for nothing better than minimum wage jobs. There are many others, primarily youthful, who are just starting out. I took minimum wage jobs when I was younger myself. In fact, it was a minimum wage job that qualified me to get hired for a better job, and then that one that qualified me to get hired for a good job. Minimum wage jobs are often the building blocks of a resume, especially for poorer and lower middle class people. And right now the unemployment rate for younger Canadians is 14.5% while over 20% were unable to find summer jobs that, in many cases, would help pay their way through college.

11 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I live in a strange world because we have workers rights and labor laws?  I'd suggest you live in a stranger world with a preconceived racial bias that thinks all TFW's just keep quiet and do what they're told.

My world has a familiarity with TFWs, refugees, and new immigrants. I assure you that TFWs largely DO just keep quiet and do what they're told. There are no labour boards where they come from, and if they get fired, they have to go home.

[I am Groot]

Just now, LinkSoul60 said:

Wild guess....  there are not a lot of available openings right now with a stagnant job market and economy?

If we have a stagnant job market and economy, should we be bringing in hundreds of thousands of temporary foreign workers and immigrants?

Just now, LinkSoul60 said:

Which means 57% of native born Canadian's have jobs/careers in these fields.  Business hires the most qualified and best skill set for the position and if there are not enough same level of qualified 'Canadians' to fill positions they fill them with foreign workers.

I'm quite sure you're aware that many companies deliberately target foreign workers because they're more biddable and cheaper. They're not interested in hiring Canadians, and in particular, hiring new graduates and training them. If you can't find enough people at the wage you want to pay then pay more. If you can't find enough people, then declare bankruptcy and do something else. Because frankly, if you're not employing Canadians in your business, your business probably isn't of much value to this country.

Just now, LinkSoul60 said:

Harper was a lot things, but charismatic wasn't one of them.  

And yet he was massively more competent, not to mention honest, than the telegenic and charismatic Trudeau.

[CouchPotato]

10 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

And yet he was massively more competent, not to mention honest, than the telegenic and charismatic Trudeau.

I don't actually buy that Trudeau was all that charismatic, anyway. I think a great deal of Trudeau's star appeal was manufactured by the media. And Carney has all the personality of a wet-blanket. 

Pierre is a really good speaker. He smiles a lot and is very warm. He is also bright and quick on his feet. The reason Pierre is disliked by so many is that they are told he is all these awful things. Angry, divisive, Trumpy.. and once again this is manufactured by Canadian media.

Edited August 26, 2025 by CouchPotato

[LinkSoul60]

6 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

And yet there are many Canadians whose education, IQ, and skill level are qualified for nothing better than minimum wage jobs.

That has nothing to do with TFW's.  That's a reflection of peoples drive, or lack thereof.

8 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

There are many others, primarily youthful, who are just starting out. I took minimum wage jobs when I was younger myself. In fact, it was a minimum wage job that qualified me to get hired for a better job, and then that one that qualified me to get hired for a good job. Minimum wage jobs are often the building blocks of a resume, especially for poorer and lower middle class people.

Yes, most of us did start with a minimum wage job.  To my earlier comments though.... when was the last time you've seen young Canadian's lining up for jobs in fast food restaurants, cleaning hotel rooms, driving taxi, picking fruit, etc.  These are minimum wage jobs that are typically filled by TFW's with of the sheer number of positions available, and the fact most Canadian's generally want more. 

14 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

And right now the unemployment rate for younger Canadians is 14.5% while over 20% were unable to find summer jobs that, in many cases, would help pay their way through college.

Our economy is stagnant and businesses are generally not looking for people.  The economy and business hiring has ebbs and flows and right now it's soft.  It's not accurate to say younger Canadian's can't find jobs solely because of TFW's

18 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

My world has a familiarity with TFWs, refugees, and new immigrants. I assure you that TFWs largely DO just keep quiet and do what they're told. There are no labour boards where they come from, and if they get fired, they have to go home.

Then I'll assume your world is a 'mom and pop' type company/companies that don't comply with workers rights and labor laws.  That's not the world of businesses that operate within law abiding and legal frameworks. That I can assure of.

[CdnFox]

53 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Probably for parties ready to face the inevitability of a guaranteed income - AI alone will force that.

You're like a weird random bullshit generator some days  

 

 

 

[LinkSoul60]

21 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

If we have a stagnant job market and economy, should we be bringing in hundreds of thousands of temporary foreign workers and immigrants?

No, which is why the immigration plan is to decrease admissions.

24 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

I'm quite sure you're aware that many companies deliberately target foreign workers because they're more biddable and cheaper. They're not interested in hiring Canadians, and in particular, hiring new graduates and training them. If you can't find enough people at the wage you want to pay then pay more. If you can't find enough people, then declare bankruptcy and do something else. Because frankly, if you're not employing Canadians in your business, your business probably isn't of much value to this country.

I'd disagree with pretty much everything you said here....  

Target foreign workers because they're cheaper - minimum wage is minimum wage regardless of your skin color isn't it?  

Which Canadian businesses are not interested in hiring Canadians?  That's an assumption, not a fact.

No, North America has a labor shortage and if a business can't find workers they do not declare bankruptcy, they find creative ways to attract people which may or may not include TFW's.  

Canadian businesses pay taxes and employ people.  That add's value to the economy and local and federal revenues.

38 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

And yet he was massively more competent, not to mention honest, than the telegenic and charismatic Trudeau.

I won't argue him being more competent than Trudeau, but don't think close to for appearance and charisma.  And for what it's worth....I'll take competency all day every day over appearance and charisma.  The challenge is that you generally need that charisma to get elected to be able to prove your competency.

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Yes, exactly....  A leader has to be charismatic which Poilievre isn't.  The facts are that he isn't likeable which is why he had to go to AB and spend $2M of taxpayers money to get his job back.

Carney won't be much better than Trudeau and won't fix the mess.  PP did a great job as party leader.  The only reason Cons lost was because of the Trump scare.  When voters see Carney can't do much and won't fix the problems, they will probably turn to Cons.  Thanks for wrecking Canada with woke Liberals.

[Shady]

9 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Carney won't be much better than Trudeau and won't fix the mess.  PP did a great job as party leader.  The only reason Cons lost was because of the Trump scare.  When voters see Carney can't do much and won't fix the problems, they will probably turn to Cons.  Thanks for wrecking Canada with woke Liberals.

They would rather wreck Canada with “their team” in charge than have a stronger and better Canada with someone they dislike personally as PM.  It’s counter productive and childish thinking, but that’s libtards in a nutshell.

[CdnFox]

57 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Harper was a lot things, but charismatic wasn't one of them.  

But i thought you said that you had to be charismatic to be elected. 

You don't actually need charisma. But if you dno't have it then you need to show an exciting plan people can get behind. If you don't have a charismatic man you better have a charismatic plan as the saying goes. 

Carney stole the cpc's plan and was elected, but he obviously does not have the skills to actually execute the plan and once people realize that he's going to have nothing. 

[LinkSoul60]

22 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Carney won't be much better than Trudeau and won't fix the mess.  PP did a great job as party leader.  The only reason Cons lost was because of the Trump scare.  When voters see Carney can't do much and won't fix the problems, they will probably turn to Cons.  Thanks for wrecking Canada with woke Liberals.

Guess we'll have to see how Carney's term plays out.  Poilievre did a great job as party leader losing a 27% poll lead.... that's an interesting take. You can think up any reason you like for the reason Poilievre lost, but the fact won't change that he did lose.  You're assuming I've voted liberal for the past 10+ years...  Good to see you're rooting for the country's success.

[LinkSoul60]

18 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But i thought you said that you had to be charismatic to be elected. 

You don't actually need charisma. But if you dno't have it then you need to show an exciting plan people can get behind. If you don't have a charismatic man you better have a charismatic plan as the saying goes. 

Carney stole the cpc's plan and was elected, but he obviously does not have the skills to actually execute the plan and once people realize that he's going to have nothing. 

It's a pointless debate, but compare the resumes of economics, trade and business backgrounds and show me where Poilievre has the qualifications to even clean Carney's office.  How those skills will play out in his term as PM remains to be seen but if you took your partisan hat off for a minute you'd be very hard pressed to say he's not one of the most qualified PM's we've ever had. That's why people voted for him.

[herbie]

30 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

compare the resumes of economics, trade and business backgrounds and show me where Poilievre has the qualifications to even clean Carney's office

Well said.
Amazing how the same people who universally loathe career politicians stand so firmly behind one with only that as a skill set.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

It's a pointless debate, but compare the resumes of economics, trade and business backgrounds and show me where Poilievre has the qualifications to even clean Carney's office.

The job is to be top politician. PP has decades of experience directly in politics, helping prepare budgets and work on critical files, participate in caucus and negotiations, understand and experience trade issues etc. 

Carney has zero. None. Has never handled a trade negotiation in his life. As we can clearly see. Doesn't get the politics behind the first nations and severely insulted them.  Doesn't understand the complexity of interprovincial trade. Doesn't understand how gov't spending and budgeting works as he's never done it. Doesn't have the years or decades of working within a party to really understand the people and what he's got to work with and who goes best where. 

And all of that is visible in his actions to date. 

From an experience and competency point of view  he's not fit to lick the bottom of PP's boot. 

You on the left have the most insane idea of what experience means that I've ever encountered in my entire life. Somehow you convinced yourself that part-time drama teacher was excellent credentials to run a government. Now you've convinced yourself that banker and tax avoidance specialist makes somebody a great politician.

If you need a heart bypass surgery most intelligent people would say I want a career surgeon, not somebody who's been a plumber

[LinkSoul60]

24 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The job is to be top politician. PP has decades of experience directly in politics, helping prepare budgets and work on critical files, participate in caucus and negotiations, understand and experience trade issues etc. 

Carney has zero. None. Has never handled a trade negotiation in his life. As we can clearly see. Doesn't get the politics behind the first nations and severely insulted them.  Doesn't understand the complexity of interprovincial trade. Doesn't understand how gov't spending and budgeting works as he's never done it. Doesn't have the years or decades of working within a party to really understand the people and what he's got to work with and who goes best where. 

And all of that is visible in his actions to date. 

From an experience and competency point of view  he's not fit to lick the bottom of PP's boot. 

You on the left have the most insane idea of what experience means that I've ever encountered in my entire life. Somehow you convinced yourself that part-time drama teacher was excellent credentials to run a government. Now you've convinced yourself that banker and tax avoidance specialist makes somebody a great politician.

If you need a heart bypass surgery most intelligent people would say I want a career surgeon, not somebody who's been a plumber

Like I started with.... it's pointless debate.  You're simply not capable of critical thinking.

[CdnFox]

48 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Like I started with.... it's pointless debate.  You're simply not capable of critical thinking.

LOL so no rebuttal, can't address the points, no argument made, answered a question you specifically asked....and you think I'M the one with no skills?  LOLOLOL 

Kid  you just ran away with your tail between your legs because you can't face the simple truth or facts. That would be the problem here. 

Carney has zero experience being a politician, never mind being the TOP politician.  And we can see that.  He's being called a bootlicker by Other liberals never mind anyone else, he's facing rising criticism for his mishandling of everything from first nations to air canada, the guy just does not understand the game. 

So the people who are REALLY running the show are the people advising him. And those people are exactly the same people who advised trudeau. 

You can stick your head in the sand and cry al you like but at the end of the day the truth remains the same. 

 

[LinkSoul60]

33 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You've done no such thing. 

In fact i was the only one to produce actual stats.  As part of gdp until more recently tech was about the same as the states, only a couple of points lower.  

Yeah, run away and hide when confronted with facts, we're used to that with you. 

Honestly kid, usually watching lefties like you flee in the face of facts is funny as heck but you're such a pushover it's just kind of sad. just how short IS your schoolbus?

 

36 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

LOL so no rebuttal, can't address the points, no argument made, answered a question you specifically asked....and you think I'M the one with no skills?  LOLOLOL 

Kid  you just ran away with your tail between your legs because you can't face the simple truth or facts. That would be the problem here. 

Carney has zero experience being a politician, never mind being the TOP politician.  And we can see that.  He's being called a bootlicker by Other liberals never mind anyone else, he's facing rising criticism for his mishandling of everything from first nations to air canada, the guy just does not understand the game. 

So the people who are REALLY running the show are the people advising him. And those people are exactly the same people who advised trudeau. 

You can stick your head in the sand and cry al you like but at the end of the day the truth remains the same. 

 

No, no rebuttal because as I said a short time ago, I'm done you.

You have zero ability to listen and understand what's said if it doesn't fall within your small feeble mind capacity. You blatantly don't listen and choose to make sh*t up as you go along to listen to yourself talk. A sad and pathetic little man....

You're a childish no it all partisan hack of a little sh*t who has f*ck all going for himself except to jump into every conversation on this forum and play right left politics and ideologies. I have no interest or time for little f*cks like you so as polite as I can be.... go f*ck yourself you little sh*t.  

Edited August 26, 2025 by LinkSoul60

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

 

No, no rebuttal because as I said a short time ago, I'm done you.

 

Precisely as I said. Unable to face the facts or deal with simple truths you choose to run and hide and stick your head in the sand. Everything I said was factual and accurate.

The truth isn't partisan it's just the truth. You're just projecting your own partisan tendencies. I can back up my position nicely with fact and you cannot and that's got you running for the hills because emotionally you can't cope with the fact that you're wrong

That says a lot about you

Edited August 26, 2025 by CdnFox

[LinkSoul60]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Precisely as I said. Unable to face the facts or deal with simple truths you choose to run and hide and stick your head in the sand. Everything I said was factual and accurate.

The truth isn't partisan it's just the truth. You're just projecting your own partisan tendencies. I can back up my position nicely with fact and you cannot and that's got you running for the hills because emotionally you can't cope with the fact that you're wrong

That says a lot about you

I'm not running from anything or going anywhere.  You can go f*ck yourself though.