The vast majority of firearm's deaths in the U.S. are committed by Americans, not undocumented migrants.

[blackbird]

The truth is the vast majority of firearm's deaths in the U.S. are committed by Americans, not undocumented migrants.

There are over 48,000 firearms deaths a year.

58% of gun deaths are suicides and 38% are homicides.   in 2023 there were 17,900 homicides.

"Two studies found that undocumented immigrants in Texas commit homicide at significantly lower rates than their U.S.-born counterparts."

Fact Check: No evidence 4,000 people are killed yearly by undocumented immigrants | Reuters

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Key Stats & Facts About Illegal Immigration and Crime in the US 2025

Crime Statistic	Value	Source
Violent Crime Convictions	469	CBP Criminal Database
Homicide/Manslaughter Cases	15	Border Patrol Statistics
Sexual Offense Convictions	89	Federal Criminal Records
Assault/Domestic Violence	469	CBP Data
Property Crime Convictions	278	Border Patrol Database
Burglary Convictions	93	Federal Crime Data

So the number of homicides in the U.S. in 2023 was 17,900 and the number of homicide/manslaughter cases according to the above chart done by illegal migrants was 15 in 2025. This was border patrol statistics.  I am not sure what location that covers.  The number for the whole country must be higher but I could not find the actual statistics for the whole country other than one website says it is less than 4,000.  This shows the absurdity of DHS honouring the victims of illegal aliens and of Deluge posting such a thing.   What about honouring the victims of the 17,900 murdered mainly by Americans in 2023?

If you are concerned about homicide victims and murders, do something about the 48,000 gun deaths a year which included 17,900 homicides.  The great majority were done by regular Americans.  

What do you expect when every person in the country is allowed to have assault rifles or carry handguns?  There are hundreds of millions of guns in private hands in America.  Of course many of them are going to use them.  Many people are mentally disturbed and should not be allowed to own a gun.  If you really cared about criminals committing murder and really cared about the victims, your country would do something about the hundreds of millions of guns in people's hands.  That is absolute madness.

Edited August 10, 2025 by blackbird

[Shady]

So what?

[User]

56 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The truth is the vast majority of firearm's deaths in the U.S. are committed by Americans, not undocumented migrants.

So what?

All this proves is that you are just fine with illegal immigrants murdering, raping, and causing harm here to Americans. 

So once again, why isn't YOUR country taking them all in? Why are you not opening your home to these people?

 

[gatomontes99]

Still debunked. The vast majority of criminals in blue states aren't asked what their immigration status is and, if it is known, it isn't reported. 

[User]

Just now, gatomontes99 said:

Still debunked. The vast majority of criminals in blue states aren't asked what their immigration status is and, if it is known, it isn't reported. 

These things have been pointed out over and over again to @blackbird, but they are ignored and then another stupid thread is started where Blackbird won't engage honestly or respond directly to these facts. 

[gatomontes99]

1 minute ago, User said:

These things have been pointed out over and over again to @blackbird, but they are ignored and then another stupid thread is started where Blackbird won't engage honestly or respond directly to these facts. 

Liberalism requires a leap of faith. Because logic cant build a bridge to fantasy land. 

Edited August 10, 2025 by gatomontes99

[CDN1]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

The truth is the vast majority of firearm's deaths in the U.S. are committed by Americans, not undocumented migrants.

There are over 48,000 firearms deaths a year.

58% of gun deaths are suicides and 38% are homicides.   in 2023 there were 17,900 homicides.

"Two studies found that undocumented immigrants in Texas commit homicide at significantly lower rates than their U.S.-born counterparts."

Fact Check: No evidence 4,000 people are killed yearly by undocumented immigrants | Reuters

quote

Key Stats & Facts About Illegal Immigration and Crime in the US 2025

Crime Statistic	Value	Source
Violent Crime Convictions	469	CBP Criminal Database
Homicide/Manslaughter Cases	15	Border Patrol Statistics
Sexual Offense Convictions	89	Federal Criminal Records
Assault/Domestic Violence	469	CBP Data
Property Crime Convictions	278	Border Patrol Database
Burglary Convictions	93	Federal Crime Data

So the number of homicides in the U.S. in 2023 was 17,900 and the number of homicide/manslaughter cases according to the above chart done by illegal migrants was 15 in 2025. This was border patrol statistics.  I am not sure what location that covers.  The number for the whole country must be higher but I could not find the actual statistics for the whole country other than one website says it is less than 4,000.  This shows the absurdity of DHS honouring the victims of illegal aliens and of Deluge posting such a thing.   What about honouring the victims of the 17,900 murdered mainly by Americans in 2023?

If you are concerned about homicide victims and murders, do something about the 48,000 gun deaths a year which included 17,900 homicides.  The great majority were done by regular Americans.  

What do you expect when every person in the country is allowed to have assault rifles or carry handguns?  There are hundreds of millions of guns in private hands in America.  Of course many of them are going to use them.  Many people are mentally disturbed and should not be allowed to own a gun.  If you really cared about criminals committing murder and really cared about the victims, your country would do something about the hundreds of millions of guns in people's hands.  That is absolute madness.

2nd generation immigrants commit crimes at similar/higher rates. Non-Whites will commit more crimes. They account for over 90% of the gun crime in pretty much every major American city.

Black Americans account for nearly 65% of all gun homicides at 13% of the population. 

Look at Canada. Black Canadians account for upwards of 20% of the annual murders at 5% of the population, commit 10x the gun crimes per capita.

Edited August 10, 2025 by CDN1

[Legato]

2 hours ago, CDN1 said:

2nd generation immigrants commit crimes at similar/higher rates. Non-Whites will commit more crimes. They account for over 90% of the gun crime in pretty much every major American city.

Black Americans account for nearly 65% of all gun homicides at 13% of the population. 

Look at Canada. Black Canadians account for upwards of 20% of the annual murders at 5% of the population, commit 10x the gun crimes per capita.

Room...... meet the elephant.

[Nationalist]

Oh Lord, this stupid line again...

[blackbird]

5 hours ago, CDN1 said:

2nd generation immigrants commit crimes at similar/higher rates.

You are trying to divert to Canadian crimes stats, but that is not what this is about.  This is about undocumented migrants in the U.S.

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Compare Statistics of Crime Rates between Migrants and U.S. Citizens

The statistics indicate that immigrants in the United States commit crimes at lower rates than the U.S.-born population, including unauthorized immigrants. Research shows that immigrants of all legal statuses commit crimes at lower rates than those who were born in the United States. National studies have examined incarceration rates and prosecutions of immigrants in the country, overwhelmingly finding that immigrants of all legal statuses commit crimes at lower rates than those who were born in the United States. Immigrants in the United States have had lower incarceration rates than the native-born population since at least 1870 (when such data were first recorded). In 2020, immigrants were 60 percent less likely to be incarcerated than the U.S. born, according to a study by the National Bureau of Economic Research.  unquote

Edited August 10, 2025 by blackbird

[blackbird]

6 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Still debunked. The vast majority of criminals in blue states aren't asked what their immigration status is and, if it is known, it isn't reported. 

And the vast majority of gun crimes are committed by regular citizens.  What do you think about the widespread possession of handguns and assault rifles and the 17,900 homicides a year by individuals who have these guns?  What about the tens of thousands of suicides by guns?

Edited August 10, 2025 by blackbird

[User]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

And the vast majority of gun crimes are committed by regular citizens.  What do you think about the widespread possession of handguns and assault rifles and the 17,900 homicides a year by individuals who have these guns?  What about the tens of thousands of suicides by guns?

What about any of these things?

Your argument is basically that we should be OK with even MORE deaths caused by illegal immigration?

No thanks. 

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

And the vast majority of gun crimes are committed by regular citizens. 

Based on what? 

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

What do you think about the widespread possession of handguns and assault rifles and the 17,900 homicides a year by individuals who have these guns?  What about the tens of thousands of suicides by guns?

Wtf does that have to do with illegal aliens? 

[blackbird]

25 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Based on what? 

Wtf does that have to do with illegal aliens? 

 The fact you call them with a derogatory term "illegal aliens", when a lot of them are likely refugees or born in the U.S., proves you are racist and biased.

[User]

6 minutes ago, blackbird said:

 The fact you call them with a derogatory term "illegal aliens", when a lot of them are likely refugees or born in the U.S., proves you are racist and biased.

What makes that derogatory?

They are here illegally; they are aliens. 

 

[gatomontes99]

9 hours ago, blackbird said:

 The fact you call them with a derogatory term "illegal aliens", when a lot of them are likely refugees or born in the U.S., proves you are racist and biased.

First, it isn't derogatory to use the term illegal alien. That is the legal term that is used in the law. 

Second, if they are refugees or born here, they are not illegal aliens. 

[Nationalist]

10 hours ago, blackbird said:

 The fact you call them with a derogatory term "illegal aliens", when a lot of them are likely refugees or born in the U.S., proves you are racist and biased.

https://biblehub.com/daniel/8-25.htm

 

[Michael Hardner]

20 hours ago, blackbird said:

 

Key Stats & Facts About Illegal Immigration and Crime in the US 2025

Crime Statistic	Value	Source
Violent Crime Convictions	469	CBP Criminal Database
Homicide/Manslaughter Cases	15	Border Patrol Statistics
Sexual Offense Convictions	89	Federal Criminal Records
Assault/Domestic Violence	469	CBP Data
Property Crime Convictions	278	Border Patrol Database
Burglary Convictions	93	Federal Crime Data

So the number of homicides in the U.S. in 2023 was 17,900 and the number of homicide/manslaughter cases according to the above chart done by illegal migrants was 15 in 2025.  

This is about the same number of people who die from skydiving in the USA annually. 

And yet somehow no one is basing a national presidential campaign on this problem.

"I I'm okay with someone being murdered, as long as a foreigner isn't stealing our murderer jobs."

[gatomontes99]

32 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

This is about the same number of people who die from skydiving in the USA annually. 

And yet somehow no one is basing a national presidential campaign on this problem.

"I I'm okay with someone being murdered, as long as a foreigner isn't stealing our murderer jobs."

What a disingenuous argument. Surely, you know how ridiculous this is. 

Let's start with sky divers. They are engaging in an activity with a certain amount of risk. Absent tampering or criminal neglect, the deaths are acceptable because it is the result of personal choice and chance. 

Now, look at this ridiculous argument that murders are stealing murderers jobs. You know it doesn't work that way. Yes, we have home grown murders. However, the Council of Presidents that controlled Joe Biden, let in thousands of CONVICTED MURDERERS. They just let them in. On top of that were thousands of rapists. That only serves to increase the number of murderers and rapists in the US. That isn't necessary or acceptable. We will always have a certain percentage of our homegrown population that are murderers and rapists. Increasing that number is unnecessary. Especially when an administration does so by violating the law. 

[Aristides]

20 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Still debunked. The vast majority of criminals in blue states aren't asked what their immigration status is and, if it is known, it isn't reported. 

So obviously they are committed by illegals. Talk about leaps of faith, you take the cake.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

This is about the same number of people who die from skydiving in the USA annually. 

And yet somehow no one is basing a national presidential campaign on this problem.

"I I'm okay with someone being murdered, as long as a foreigner isn't stealing our murderer jobs."

I'm impressed Mike.

You've managed to sink to a new low.

Well done...ya fcking septic tank of morality.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

 

Now, look at this ridiculous argument that murders are stealing murderers jobs. You know it doesn't work that way.  

I never for a second thought that you would take my dry joke seriously.

[Deluge]

22 hours ago, blackbird said:

The truth is the vast majority of firearm's deaths in the U.S. are committed by Americans, not undocumented migrants.

The TRUTH is, illegal aliens need to be deported immediately. 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

So obviously they are committed by illegals. Talk about leaps of faith, you take the cake.

Let's examine a scenario. 

Your daughter lives in a house she shares with 2 others. One day, the 3 decide to take in an illegal alien to virtue signal. A month later, your daughter is found dead. Raped endlessly and stabbed to death. The perpetrator is discovered to be the illegal alien they took in.

Question: Is it reasonable to assume your daughter would still be drawing breath, had her and her 2 room mates not taken in that illegal alien?

When you answer that question honestly...you'll begin to understand and will actually have earned your cake.

[Aristides]

30 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Let's examine a scenario. 

Your daughter lives in a house she shares with 2 others. One day, the 3 decide to take in an illegal alien to virtue signal. A month later, your daughter is found dead. Raped endlessly and stabbed to death. The perpetrator is discovered to be the illegal alien they took in.

Question: Is it reasonable to assume your daughter would still be drawing breath, had her and her 2 room mates not taken in that illegal alien?

When you answer that question honestly...you'll begin to understand and will actually have earned your cake.

Try answering it honestly yourself. You pulled it out of your ass.