Abuse appears to be common in immigration detention

[blackbird]

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I'm sorry but NBC news is the news company that was sued successfully for faking video twice to give the impression that something was true when it was absolutely false. These guys have a long history of manufacturing fake evidence to support their media.

I need to see a source that came from somewhere other than NBC before I even gave it the slightest bit of credence given their history

Don't overstay your visa. How hard is that. If you're worried about possible interruptions or something coming up at the last minute then leave early to give yourself extra time.

Responsible adults cope with this

This is about someone who had a medical issue and was three days over the Visa date.  Yet was treated like a criminal.  Incarcerated for 100 days.   You obviously didn't read the article.  

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I'm sorry but NBC news is the news company that was sued successfully for faking video twice to give the impression that something was true when it was absolutely false.

Your CREDIBILITY is SHOT cause ^this IS NOT TRUE. Suits were file for MSNBC reporting, NOT NBC News

Being sued is NOT proof of fake VIDEO.

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It is important to note that while there have been lawsuits concerning inaccurate reporting involving NBC's platforms, the details regarding a successful lawsuit specifically for faking video are not clearly identified in the provided search results. 

In the broader context of news organizations facing legal action, Fox News settled a significant defamation lawsuit with Dominion Voting Systems regarding false claims about the 2020 election. 

 

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, blackbird said:

This is about someone who had a medical issue and was three days over the Visa date.  Yet was treated like a criminal.  Incarcerated for 100 days.   You obviously didn't read the article.  

What? No it isn't, that was never in the original story you linked to!  Nor was it in the nbc clip. 

I think you're getting your threads confused

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Your CREDIBILITY is SHOT cause ^this IS NOT TRUE. Suits were file for MSNBC reporting, NOT NBC News

Being sued is NOT proof of fake VIDEO.

 

My credibility is perfectly fine and it's absolutely true.

And they settled it was fake video everybody knew it

Which means you were lying again robofib  

[User]

44 minutes ago, blackbird said:

This is about someone who had a medical issue and was three days over the Visa date.  Yet was treated like a criminal.  Incarcerated for 100 days.   You obviously didn't read the article.  

His medical issue occurred months before his visa expiration... he had plenty of time to get an extension, AND he was arrested on a domestic violence call where he was being arrested for false imprisonment of his girlfriend. 

He was treated like a criminal.... BECAUSE he was engaged in crime. 

 

[blackbird]

41 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

What? No it isn't, that was never in the original story you linked to!  Nor was it in the nbc clip. 

I think you're getting your threads confused

You're correct.  The 3 day overstay on an expired Visa was in another story I posted.  HOWEVER, it is an example of the continuing reports of abuse in detention, which for some strange reason you are trying to deny.  You look like a fraud working for them

Some might report 100 and another might report 500 or more.  Those are just rough figures.  It also depends on the kind of abuse and which locations they are talking about.  It is believed they are only a small fraction of the abuse.  Many people don't like to report things done to them because they are scared and don't want to risk retribution.

Edited August 7, 2025 by blackbird

[CdnFox]

14 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You're correct.  The 3 day overstay on an expired Visa was in another story I posted.  HOWEVER, it is an example of the continuing reports of abuse in detention, which for some strange reason you are trying to deny.  You look like a fraud working for them

 

We all make mistakes and I'm not going to make fun of you for referring to a different article the user has posted a reply that seems to suggest that the person you're talking about was not simply on a three day overstay. Apparently his medical issues had started months and months before and he could have addressed his situation.  And the REASON he was arrested and deported was due to a domsetic violence call. 

That is NOT a case of someone simply accidentally overstaying their visa for a few days due to illness and then being arrested for no reason. 

And that's where I'm coming from, so many of these stories are either out and out false or reported with 'half truths' and the real picture is very different. 

There is little doubt in my mind that someone somewhere at least tension facilities has been treated inappropriately. It feels like it's almost inevitable to me. Honestly I would say the same about every single hospital in the united states, every single day every single school. Dig enough and you'll find examples of unacceptable behavior.

But most of these stories sound a little ridiculous or inflated. 

At the end of the day if people are experiencing serious abuses they should be reporting it to the authorities rather than The Newsroom and there should be an effort to investigate and hold people to account if there really is legitimate issue. I do agree with that.

But most of these sound frivolous. A group of people deliberately overflows a toilet and creates a flood and the cops subdue them with flash bangs and rubber bullets, sorry but don't create a deliberate flood.

 

[Moonlight Graham]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

I heard you Libbies like to go outside and scream at the sky.

Come on Libbie...scream for us.

I'm not a Liberal.   That's the worst insult you could call me, yuck.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

the person you're talking about was not simply on a three day overstay. Apparently his medical issues had started months and months before and he could have addressed his situation.  And the REASON he was arrested and deported was due to a domsetic violence call. 

Are you making all that up?  There was nothing I posted that says his medical issue started months and months before and there was nothing that said 'the reason he was arrested and deported was due to a domestic violence call".

I just looked back and this is what I found:

"Or, like Thomas – a 35-year-old tech worker from Ireland, who was visiting his girlfriend in the US when he said he suffered a sudden health issue that prevented him from flying. His overstay of just three days landed him in ICE custody, where he spent 100 days in detention in federal facilities, claiming he endured overcrowded conditions and limited medical care.

He was deported and slapped with a 10-year re-entry ban."

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I'm not a Liberal.   That's the worst insult you could call me, yuck.

It's funny how a fair number of people seem to come to that conclusion

[CdnFox]

41 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Are you making all that up?  There was nothing I posted that says his medical issue started months and months before and there was nothing that said 'the reason he was arrested and deported was due to a domestic violence call".

 

reading back i can see where maybe you missed this but i specifically said USER dug up that information, and noted that IF true,,,, 

He did a post on it. I was referring to that. 

You'll have to ask him but he's not the kind to just make stuff up out of the blue. And your story doesn't actually refute it 

What i DID notice with a little poking around is that he was originally detained after an 'encounter' with police.  So that does tend to support the domestic accusation, he was arrested for SOMETHING at any rate. Then they found he was illegal

More interestingly, this was BEFORE trump came to office. He was supposed to leave in December, but was 3 days past when arrested. 

So he was arrested when biden was still president, and held for at least a month before trump even got in. But you and others are trying to pass this off as being part of the 'trump crackdown'. 

And his 'illness' was a swollen foot that the doc told him to stay off of and to avoid flying for many weeks. So by the time he got to his intended leave date he's had time to contact the authorities and ask for an extension. Unless he was just going to spend another 3 months in country illegally. 

 

Now even assuming that it was a domestic dispute call that got an arrested, and I assume there were no charges or he would have stayed even longer, I don't particularly think this guy needed to be just deported and banned for 10 years. But it's still a very different story than we had originally. He wasn't sick at the last minute, it appears that he was sick well before he was supposed to leave. And he wasn't arrested out of the blue he was arrested because he was involved in something else. And he wasn't arrested by trump's ice, he was arrested by Biden's ice

But the papers downplay that for the most part

So again you see what I mean? This was presented as a story of someone who at the last minute couldn't travel and before he had time to deal with it he was pounced on by trump's ice agents and tortured and deported

The reality is very different.

And that's why I have a problem with these alleged reports

[blackbird]

37 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

He did a post on it. I was referring to that. 

You'll have to ask him but he's not the kind to just make stuff up out of the blue. And your story doesn't actually refute it 

No you're just making up a story.  None of it was part of the news item I posted.  I don't have to chase around trying to find out User's story.  If you want to post it, that's up to you.

I know from dealing with User it is a waste of time trying to discuss anything.  He is blocked.

You are playing some kind of game inventing a different story or maybe there was another story about a different person.  I don't know.  That's not the one I posted in any case.  The one I posted is quite clear.  He was not arrested for any criminal offence.  It was strictly because his Visa expired 3 days before but he had a medical issue and couldn't fly.  So he was falsely arrested and locked up for 100 days.

Edited August 7, 2025 by blackbird

[Moonlight Graham]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

It's funny how a fair number of people seem to come to that conclusion

Because if you criticize Trump then they assume you're a lefty, but they assume wrong.  The world isn't black and white so why should I think that way?  I don't kiss anyone's feet, and everyone is open to criticism, especially anyone with power over us.

I'm not a partisan or a sheep.  I've been far more critical of Trudeau the last 10 years (Canada's worst ever PM) than i've been of Trump or PP or Harper.  So what does that make me?

Also, a conservative (there's many) might agree on different general issues Trump is trying to fix but disagree on the way he's doing it sometimes.  I'm conservative on numerous issues, other's i'm not, so I don't label myself as anything.

For instance, I think illegal immigrants should be held accountable by the law and be deported if they don't belong unless they're of economic use to the US and are invited to stay because it benefits the country.  No migrant should get to decide alone whether they get to stay in a foreign country, that's up to the country they want to migrate to.  I have no sympathy for people who don't obey the law and then cry victim when they're caught.  No way most Mexicans would support improvished Africans or Indians etc to flood into their country illegally.

Edited August 7, 2025 by Moonlight Graham

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

No you're just making up a story.  None of it was part of the news item I posted.  I don't have to chase around trying to find out User's story.  If you want to post it, that's up to you.

I know from dealing with User it is a waste of time trying to discuss anything.  He is blocked.

You are playing some kind of game inventing a different story or maybe there was another story about a different person.  I don't know.  That's not the one I posted in any case.  The one I posted is quite clear.  He was not arrested for any criminal offence.  It was strictly because his Visa expired 3 days before but he had a medical issue and couldn't fly.  So he was falsely arrested and locked up for 100 days.

IT is the truth kid, sorry. A web search or two brings up expanded stories and the information is right there. 

Here ya go

Irish tourist jailed by Ice for months after overstaying US visit by three days: ‘Nobody is safe’ | US immigration | The Guardian

And this is the most sympathetic article possible. They're painting him up to be a near martyr. 

But it still confirms, he was in a domestic dispute and got arrested.  It was well before trump. he'd been sick for many weeks and 'tried to do all he could online' but didn't actually make arrangements or worry about it.  

And he apparently did not have any plans to leave when they arrested him. It's not like he was going to leave the next day, he was just staying there without having booked a flight back home or anything. The doc had given him a specific time line on the leg, it's not like he didn't know when he could travel again. 

 

So it turns out that when you claimed i was making it up you were lying. Tsk tsk, what would jesus say about that? Hypocrite. 

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So it turns out that when you claimed i was making it up you were lying.

Here you are falsely accusing me of lying.   How could I have been lying when I was going by the article I posted that never mentioned what you posted now?  If I didn't know about it or forgot the article you now bring up, what I said was no lie.   A lie is an attempt to deceive.  I wasn't attempting to deceive.  Yes, we sometimes do make mistakes and forget things or don't have all the facts.   That is not the same as lying.  So it turns out you are the liar for falsely claiming I lied.  Is that all you can do on here?  You should be able to do better.  Learn how to talk to people in a civilized way.

[Nationalist]

8 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I'm not a Liberal.   That's the worst insult you could call me, yuck.

Was thos a joke then?

"I heard Donald Trump likes to slap a Mexican illegal every morning in the Oval Office."

[User]

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

Here you are falsely accusing me of lying. 

Well, I proved you lied twice before and you ran away and appear to still have me on ignore...

 

[User]

9 hours ago, blackbird said:

No you're just making up a story.  None of it was part of the news item I posted.  I don't have to chase around trying to find out User's story.  If you want to post it, that's up to you.

Its the story YOU brought up here.

Its just that I do more than mindlessly repost the headlines and spam the articles you do, I actually go find out more. 

9 hours ago, blackbird said:

I know from dealing with User it is a waste of time trying to discuss anything.  He is blocked.

No, you are just a cowardly liar who ran away instead of owning up to your lies. 

[Shady]

On 8/5/2025 at 9:29 PM, blackbird said:

"

A subsequent report, first published by NBC News on Tuesday, identified 510 “credible reports” of abuse inside Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention centers, federal prisons, local jails and military bases, including Guantanamo Bay, and on deportation flights.

“Credibly reported or confirmed events to date include deaths in custody, physical and sexual abuse, mistreatment of pregnant women, mistreatment of children, inadequate medical care, overcrowding and unsanitary living conditions, inadequate food or water, exposure to extreme temperatures, denial of access to attorneys, and family separations,” according to the report.

Those events include 41 allegations of physical or sexual abuse, including an alleged incident in El Paso where a detainee was “slammed against the ground, handcuffed, and taken outside” for “stepping out of line in the dining hall.”

More than 100 human rights abuses discovered in immigration detention since Trump took office, senate probe says

This report likely only reveals a small fraction of the abuse going on.  People are likely afraid to report abuse or don't have the means to report it.

 

"Credible" is subjective.  Regardless, they could avoid all of it by just leaving the country when they were asked to.

[Deluge]

15 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I'm not a Liberal.   That's the worst insult you could call me, yuck.

You're either right or left, my friend - there is no in-between.  

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, blackbird said:

Here you are falsely accusing me of lying.   

You are literally lying

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How could I have been lying when I was going by the article I posted that never mentioned what you posted now? 

Because you accuse me of making things up and insisted that I was lying when in fact I wasn't. If you needed more information on a source then you could have asked for it but you just as instantly assumed that I was lying and said so and that was a lie. I explained where I was getting the information from initially and then I provided you with more detail but I never lied

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If I didn't know about it or forgot the article you now bring up, what I said was no lie.

What you said was a lie. You insisted I had done something which I had never done, nor did you have any reasonable reason to believe that I had. I never just make things up, they always come from somewhere, when you asked initially I advised you came from USER's post and then you accused me of fabricating stuff and lying.  

This is 100% on you big guy

[Moonlight Graham]

8 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Was thos a joke then?

"I heard Donald Trump likes to slap a Mexican illegal every morning in the Oval Office."

Yes

[Nationalist]

2 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Yes

Then my apologies. 

[blackbird]

20 hours ago, Shady said:

"Credible" is subjective.  Regardless, they could avoid all of it by just leaving the country when they were asked to.

No,it is often not that simple.  They may have been brought to the U.S. when they were a kid and grew up in America for years.  They may fear going to a place that is foreign to them.  They may fear gangs and crime. All there immediate family may live near them. They might have American kids and wife. Surely you can think.

[User]

47 minutes ago, blackbird said:

No,it is often not that simple.  They may have been brought to the U.S. when they were a kid and grew up in America for years.  They may fear going to a place that is foreign to them.  They may fear gangs and crime. All there immediate family may live near them. They might have American kids and wife. Surely you can think.

This is such a dishonest argument. 

You know what is stopping this from happening en masse now? The fact that Trump is enforcing the law. Record low numbers of crossings at the border. Record low numbers of people migrating up through South America into Mexico. 

YOU support the policies and lawlessness that encourage this madness, then turn around and complain that the madness is why we shouldn't enforce the laws. 

 

[Nationalist]

46 minutes ago, blackbird said:

No,it is often not that simple.  They may have been brought to the U.S. when they were a kid and grew up in America for years.  They may fear going to a place that is foreign to them.  They may fear gangs and crime. All there immediate family may live near them. They might have American kids and wife. Surely you can think.

Just like the climate religious. 

"They "may"".

"It "could"".

Nothing about what "is".

Libbie ideology. Stretching reality till it snaps.