Far left activists and politicians look to bully, intimidate, harass Christian music artist and parishioners from exercising right to practice religion

[Venandi]

13 hours ago, eyeball said:

If police are being fascists for ordering a dangerously unsafe vehicle off the road then there are very very few laws that aren't fascist in our system.

Why do you stop at red lights? Or maybe you don't and just give everyone the finger and do whatever you want.

I'm having trouble following the logic here.

Traffic rules don't exalt nation, race, correct thinking or anything else above the individual or rights of the individual. They're prescribed by regulation for the safe and orderly flow of traffic regardless of the colour of vehicle, or religious / political persuasion of the driver.

If white cars were deemed to be racist and perfectly safe automobiles (driven by compliant drivers) were being forcibly removed from road by direction of an autocratic government it might be different. 

If all of this got stood on its head and the singer in question was devoutly atheist and decidedly anti Trump would you defend his right to perform if his venues were being restricted by those you deem to be MAGATs?

If every city council of MAGATs were to weaponize the permit system against him would that be OK? It just seems that you're defending the very actions you (logically) wouldn't want to see applied to yourself in equal and opposite measure at some later date.  

 

Edited August 2, 2025 by Venandi

[CouchPotato]

15 hours ago, eyeball said:

No I'm hoping he'll demonstrate some consistency. If police are being fascists for ordering a dangerously unsafe vehicle off the road then there are very very few laws that aren't fascist in our system.

Sean Feucht is dangerously unsafe? What laws has he broken here? He was coming to sing. You don't know he was going to promote hatred. He has come for years apparently with no issue.

Meanwhile the Church where he performed was smokebombed and then fined. That should be the real story here. Not Nasty MAGA Singer Comes to Corrupt Canada.

Edited August 2, 2025 by CouchPotato

[Venandi]

51 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

You don't know he was going to promote hatred.

Just my opinion again but low level hate crimes (as opposed to true genocidal forms of racism, ethnic cleansing and the like) is more about hurt feelings than true hatred. There's a pretty clear difference between the two and it raises a few questions.

If punched, why is a black man's nose more valuable than mine? If I don't like him and punch him in the nose it's a hate crime as opposed to common assault. If he does the same in reverse it's simply assault and the value of his nose is artificially inflated as a result.

Here's the thing though, since the above example clearly qualifies as physical violence the Herbs of the world might be able to convince me that it's a warranted exception to equality under the law. The same can't be said about hurt feelings invoked by someone else's freedom of expression though (in the absence of inciting violence of course).

Weaponizing the law to prevent hurt feelings sets a precedent that those in favour of now could easily come to regret in the future.

What if fat, anti Trump, atheist Drag Queens want to sing in a private venue that supports their effort? As long as attendance isn't mandatory I would support the right of Herb and Roboduh to host them. Imagine the screams of Hitler if I changed my mind about that simply because I'm offended by it. 

 

Edited August 2, 2025 by Venandi

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Venandi said:

Just my opinion again but low level hate crimes (as opposed to true genocidal forms of racism, ethnic cleansing and the like) is more about hurt feelings than true hatred. There's a pretty clear difference between the two and it raises a few questions.

If punched, why is a black man's nose more valuable than mine? If I don't like him and punch him in the nose it's a hate crime as opposed to common assault. If he does the same in reverse it's simply assault and the value of his nose is artificially inflated as a result.

Here's the thing though, since the above example clearly qualifies as physical violence the Herbs of the world might be able to convince me that it's a warranted exception to equality under the law. The same can't be said about hurt feelings invoked by someone else's freedom of expression though (in the absence of inciting violence of course).

Weaponizing the law to prevent hurt feelings sets a precedent that those in favour of now could easily come to regret in the future.

What if fat, anti Trump, atheist Drag Queens want to sing in a private venue that supports their effort? As long as attendance isn't mandatory I would support the right of Herb and Roboduh to host them. Imagine the screams of Hitler if I changed my mind about that simply because I'm offended by it. 

 

I agree.  I think all of it is the effect of the affluent and influential class having their concerns listened to over bread and butter issues.

That includes the panic over trans kids in sports, people melting down over pronouns etc.

The President of the USA is using this petty sh!t to justify his single-minded mission to impose his crackpot theories in the world.

 

Ps.  If you have trans friends, as I do, and you misgender them the reaction is less than if you accidentally bumped their elbow...

Grown ups please focus on the economy, environment and unity.

Thanks for your attention to this matter.

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, Venandi said:

I'm having trouble following the logic here.

It's really easy, right wingers heads automatically started exploding after a lefty pointed out that cops do in fact have the authority and discretion to pull a car off the road for safety.

It wasn't me who drew the analogy between a car and the church - where one's a vehicle for people the other is a vehicle for goofy ideas.

I already made it clear pages ago that I'm perfectly happy with letting some asshat make a spectacle of himself and Christianity.

By the same token if pig-headed stubborn conservatives want to make a spectacle of themselves by digging in their heels and doubling down on their notion cops can't  have your car impounded for safety violations that's okay too.

 

Edited August 2, 2025 by eyeball

[Legato]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

I agree.  I think all of it is the effect of the affluent and influential class having their concerns listened to over bread and butter issues.

That includes the panic over trans kids in sports, people melting down over pronouns etc.

The President of the USA is using this petty sh!t to justify his single-minded mission to impose his crackpot theories in the world.

 

Ps.  If you have trans friends, as I do, and you misgender them the reaction is less than if you accidentally bumped their elbow...

Grown ups please focus on the economy, environment and unity.

Thanks for your attention to this matter.

It's not trans kids in sports, they are grown men in women's sports, no one is melting down over pronouns, disingenuous you are.

Also bringing the Trump into the conversation is a just a lame attempt to garner sympathy from the simple minded.

[West]

21 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's really easy, right wingers heads automatically started exploding after a lefty pointed out that cops do in fact have the authority and discretion to pull a car off the road for safety.

It wasn't me who drew the analogy between a car and the church - where one's a vehicle for people the other is a vehicle for goofy ideas.

I already made it clear pages ago that I'm perfectly happy with letting some asshat make a spectacle of himself and Christianity.

By the same token if pig-headed stubborn conservatives want to make a spectacle of themselves by digging in their heels and doubling down on their notion cops can't  have your car impounded for safety violations that's okay too.

 

Most free countries do not honor a hecklers veto. Only in Canada can you be threatened with harm because of words and then have to shut down your event. Wild communist stuff. 

[User]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

That includes the panic over trans kids in sports, people melting down over pronouns etc.

Panic? You can't argue this on the facts, so you choose instead to argue against a strawman emotion. 

It is not "panic" it is a simple factual observation that it is objectively unfair to demand women and girls must compete against males who are physically stronger than them. It is simply a factual observation that women are rightly uncomfortable being forced to share their private spaces with men in locker rooms. 

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Ps.  If you have trans friends, as I do, and you misgender them the reaction is less than if you accidentally bumped their elbow...

This sentence alone is a complete lie. 

"misgender" them? Accurately calling them what they are is not "misgendering" them. A trans woman is in fact a man, a male. 

What you and they demand is that we reject reality, reject truth, and it is YOU who wants us to misgender them. 

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Grown ups please focus on the economy, environment and unity.

When you are forcing those grownups to watch their girls get beating by men on the podium at their sporting events, you sitting here mocking them for not being grown up when they care about that is asinine. 

Grownups should be protecting girls and women from this trans madness people like you want to force on them. 

[User]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

By the same token if pig-headed stubborn conservatives want to make a spectacle of themselves by digging in their heels and doubling down on their notion cops can't  have your car impounded for safety violations that's okay too.

It is simply amazing what a dishonest person you are. 

 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

1. It's not trans kids in sports, they are grown men in women's sports, no one is melting down over pronouns, disingenuous you are.

2. Also bringing the Trump into the conversation is a just a lame attempt to garner sympathy from the simple minded.

1. Doesn't matter. I don't think a federal government has to make this an emergency as they have done, effectively. 

2. Simple mindedness might not be the problem. But Trump definitely is stoking, mistrust in institutions, and is a disunifying force.

 

36 minutes ago, User said:

Panic?  

Yes, panic. As evidence, the political economy is at a precipice and here you are responding with a long posts about trans ladies in sports. I think the sporting authorities can sort it out on their own.

[User]

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Yes, panic. As evidence, the political economy is at a precipice and here you are responding with a long posts about trans ladies in sports.

The classic How can you chew bubblegum and walk at the same time! ruse. 

If you have the time to push this trans madness onto others, we have the time to push back. 

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I think the sporting authorities can sort it out on their own.

AKA, you like the status quo of forcing girls to have to compete unfairly against men and share their personal spaces with them but don't want to have to try to defend that trans madness. 

[Michael Hardner]

20 minutes ago, User said:

... trans madness 

Mindless catchphrases are used by people who like the circus and are unable to discuss things seriously. 

Please go on with your day without me. Thank you.

[CdnFox]

21 hours ago, eyeball said:

No I'm hoping he'll demonstrate some consistency. If police are being fascists for ordering a dangerously unsafe vehicle off the road then there are very very few laws that aren't fascist in our system.

 

No, that's not what you said and it's dumb

Police do not get to remove a vehicle based arbitrarily on their impression or personal opinion of what you drive. The only thing they're allowed to do is enforce established regulation that clearly states what is and is not acceptable.

If a police officer said I'm sorry I don't like Hondas, your Honda has to get pulled off of the road, or I'm afraid I don't really like black people driving you'll have to stop driving, they would be in real trouble.

Likewise it is absolutely wrong for an organization to say we are going to deny you the rights that other people have simply based on our opinion of whether or not we like what you say.

If it's a hate crime, then great it's a crime. Arrest them. If it's some sort of other illegal speech like advocating for violence or advocating criminal activity then that might be a crime.

But unless it's a crime then you should not at all be allowed to stifle another person's message and deny them the same opportunities that the state allows other people to have.

And if the state does that they are being authoritarian scumbags and there should be a backlash

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

It's really easy, right wingers heads automatically started exploding after a lefty pointed out that cops do in fact have the authority and discretion to pull a car off the road for safety.

This is been explained in a million times and the fact that you need to continue lying about it just shows that you know perfectly well your entirely in the wrong.

me: Logical statement. 

You: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERIGHTWINGERSMAGATRANSPHOBESDEPLORABLESREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

You're being pathetic. You've already admitted that a police officer cannot and does not have the authority to take a car off the road arbitrarily. They can only enforce existing regulation

8 hours ago, Venandi said:

I'm having trouble following the logic here.

 

 

There's no logic there. He does this all the time, he knows he's dead wrong so he just continues to lie and twist and make ridiculous statements hoping that we will argue against that and forget the fact that he was entirely wrong.

You have to remember at the end of the day he's a dishonest person. Most of the left are. I've yet to run into one that can make their argument without lying or twisting the truth horribly at some point and he's one of the worst

[Legato]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Doesn't matter. I don't think a federal government has to make this an emergency as they have done, effectively. 

2. Simple mindedness might not be the problem. But Trump definitely is stoking, mistrust in institutions, and is a disunifying force.

 

Yes, panic. As evidence, the political economy is at a precipice and here you are responding with a long posts about trans ladies in sports. I think the sporting authorities can sort it out on their own.

It does matter and yes the simple minded are easily swayed.

The Trump has nothing to do with a musician being harassed. If you have to use the Trump in an attempt to make a point then the point is moot.

Edited August 2, 2025 by Legato

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, West said:

Most free countries do not honor a hecklers veto. Only in Canada can you be threatened with harm because of words and then have to shut down your event. Wild communist stuff. 

Okay, good to know. The place to have the hate laws overturned is in court.

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, User said:

It is simply amazing what a dishonest person you are. 

Why, did I call you a pedophile without evidence or something?

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

No, that's not what you said and it's dumb

Yes it is what I said, because you're dumb.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You've already admitted that a police officer cannot and does not have the authority to take a car off the road arbitrarily. They can only enforce existing regulation

No I didn't because I didn't say arbitrarily when it's patently clear they can take your car off the road according to their authority and at their discretion.

You inserted the word arbitrarily and then argued against yourself. 

[West]

16 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Okay, good to know. The place to have the hate laws overturned is in court.

The left thrive on the hecklers veto. They have no problem threatening to the point of canceling an event because they have thin skin toward people who disagree. 

Its immature to call someone's traditional position hate speech and then make them pay out money in legal fees to exercise the rights they already have. People who support hecklers veto are sick

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, West said:

hecklers veto

WTF is that? Is it in the criminal code or something?

[Aristides]

Don’t know why we let him in the country in the first place.

[User]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Mindless catchphrases are used by people who like the circus and are unable to discuss things seriously. 

Please go on with your day without me. Thank you.

Lets be honest, you wouldn't discuss this with me if I didn't use that term... and when you sit here characterizing people as being in a "panic" you were never concerned about discussing things seriously to begin with. 

 

5 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Don’t know why we let him in the country in the first place.

Says the person who has spent the last month decrying America enforcing its border laws...

 

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, User said:

Lets be honest, you wouldn't discuss this with me if I didn't use that term... and when you sit here characterizing people as being in a "panic" you were never concerned about discussing things seriously to begin with. 

 

Says the person who has spent the last month decrying America enforcing its border laws...

 

Says the guy who is adamant about his own borders. Canadians have no right to enter the US and are rejected for all kinds of bullshit reasons. You have no right to enter my country either.

[User]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Says the guy who is adamant about his own borders. Canadians have no right to enter the US and are rejected for all kinds of bullshit reasons. You have no right to enter my country either.

The difference is that you reject this man because of ideological reasons merely coming to visit your fellow Canadians...

My position is that America has borders and immigration laws to curtail a billion people migrating here and ruining our country so we have an orderly process to accept and allow limited numbers of people to come here to be citizens lawfully. 

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Why, did I call you a pedophile without evidence or something?

Yes it is what I said, because you're dumb.

Awwww you're going into "Frustrated Eyeball has hissy fit and lashes out" mode   Always cute  

 

If you didn't insist on being so stupid you wouldn't look dumb so much. Can't blame others