First Nations Summit Ends In Disaster For Carney

[CdnFox]

 

That went horribly badly. 

Here's why you don't hire a bank person for a politician's job. Carney doesn't understand politics in the slightest. He doesn't understand political negotiation, he doesn't understand diplomacy. He's screwing up left right center already

[Barquentine]

On 7/18/2025 at 9:22 PM, CdnFox said:

Carney doesn't understand politics

https://www.yukon-news.com July 22 2025
Regional Chief of the British Columbia Assembly of First Nations (BCAFN) Terry Teegee is cautiously optimistic following the First Nations Major Projects Summit.

https://www.ctvnews.ca July 22, 2025
Chief Tabatha Bernard from Lennox Island First Nation on P.E.I. says Prime Minister Mark Carney seems willing to work with First Nations peoples on major projects.

The Globe and Mail July 18, 2025
First Nations leaders split on progress made after meeting with Carney

https://www.thecanadianpressnews.ca
Assembly of First Nations National Chief Cindy Woodhouse Nepinak struck a positive tone after the meeting, where the premiers agreed to meet with Indigenous leadership and the prime minister, though First Nations were not invited to the meeting with Carney.
"I consider this progress," she said.

But as usual, you cherry pick and misconstrue the situation to fit your warped desires.

And as usual, your extreme partisanship makes you a DUMBASS!!!

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Barquentine said:

https://www.yukon-news.com July 22 2025
Regional Chief of the British Columbia Assembly of First Nations (BCAFN) Terry Teegee is cautiously optimistic following the First Nations Major Projects Summit.

https://www.ctvnews.ca July 22, 2025
Chief Tabatha Bernard from Lennox Island First Nation on P.E.I. says Prime Minister Mark Carney seems willing to work with First Nations peoples on major projects.

The Globe and Mail July 18, 2025
First Nations leaders split on progress made after meeting with Carney

https://www.thecanadianpressnews.ca
Assembly of First Nations National Chief Cindy Woodhouse Nepinak struck a positive tone after the meeting, where the premiers agreed to meet with Indigenous leadership and the prime minister, though First Nations were not invited to the meeting with Carney.
"I consider this progress," she said.

But as usual, you cherry pick and misconstrue the situation to fit your warped desires.

And as usual, your extreme partisanship makes you a DUMBASS!!!

So absolutely nothing other than 'cautiously optimistic', 

https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=5344f65d387bfb6ee7d4d4648c60782dc0fe7a5b058348e94d5ee51a0f0b3efaJmltdHM9MTc1MzE0MjQwMA&ptn=3&ver=2&hsh=4&fclid=103e0929-33cf-61dc-1763-1f38327560da&psq=first+nations+concerned+carney&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuY2JjLmNhL25ld3MvY2FuYWRhL2JyaXRpc2gtY29sdW1iaWEvY29hc3RhbC1maXJzdC1uYXRpb25zLXBpcGVsaW5lLWxldHRlci1tYXJrLWNhcm5leS0xLjc1OTEzNjQ&ntb=1

First Nations leaders say Carney's C-5 summit sparks more concerns, questions | CBC News

“This is a bad decision by the prime minister to short-circuit the need to protect the land,

Snubs and scrambles ahead of Carney's major projects meeting with First Nations

First Nations leaders say Carney’s C-5 summit sparks more concerns, questions | Radio-Canada.ca

B.C. chief says Bill C-5 meeting with Carney 'did not resolve concerns, it reinforced them' | CBC News

First Nations, activists slam Carney’s fast‑track bill

 

Is that enough? Did you need more? There's more....

The reality is that the chiefs are not convinced at all and Kearney made a number of promises to Them that he's not going to be able to deliver on. Or if he does he won't get his projects done.

 

Like I said. The guy doesn't understand politics

[Barquentine]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The reality is that the chiefs are not convinced at all

The reality is that it was a mixed bag of conclusions, not the disaster you LIED about.

Your extreme partisan ship makes you  a major DUMBASS. Extremists like you are too stupid to understand nuance. You have no wisdom at all.

[Nationalist]

It appears the Carney is pushing for new transport means to be built nation wide for commerce. This is not a typical Liberal position to take.

Should he succeed, there will be a lot of upset natives squaking about their special relationship with the land.

But new hi-ways, railways and pipelines would be good for Canada. So I will swallow my pride and hope the Carney succeeds where Pixie-Dust failed.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Barquentine said:

The reality is that it was a mixed bag of conclusions, not the disaster you LIED about.

 

The reality is you claimed it was successful and amazing. So you're the one who lied.

They did go badly. The ones he needed to convince are not only not convinced some of them have actually confirmed their concerns.

And the mixed bag is those who are hopeful but not convinced that he's not going to screw them over and those who are convinced he's going to screw them over. It's hard to even call that a mixed bag, it's more like shades of failure.

Absolutely no projects get built based on their reaction. All it takes is one group to put a halt to the projects. And he made promises that he's not going to be able to deliver on

But the underlying issue is he did not do this before he passed that law. And that's where his lack of experience and understanding really comes in. These people are buthurt because he did something and now he's trying to convince them that he did the right thing instead of involving them in the process beforehand and getting their approval. Now he looks like he's trying to sneak something by them. 

The summit was a failure before it even started. It was already going in with their bad will and having ticked them off

Again, this is why you don't hire a banker to do a politician's job

[LinkSoul60]

34 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Again, this is why you don't hire a banker to do a politician's job

As usual you don't tell the full story....   That said, nobody is going to make the FN's unanimously happy regardless.

The 'banker' certainly appears to have the confidence and support from all premiers for both a trade deal with the US and the nation building that needs to happen.  The PC premiers actually speak very highly of him.....go figure.  Doesn't appear that they miss PP's paperboy route and phone collection skills that he would have brought to the table...

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

It appears the Carney is pushing for new transport means to be built nation wide for commerce. This is not a typical Liberal position to take.

Should he succeed, there will be a lot of upset natives squaking about their special relationship with the land.

But new hi-ways, railways and pipelines would be good for Canada. So I will swallow my pride and hope the Carney succeeds where Pixie-Dust failed.

If he does it will require him to read the room better. It is not hard to upset the first nations and they can be incredibly obstructionist if they're pissed.  He's got to play that better. 

[CdnFox]

24 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

As usual you don't tell the full story....   That said, nobody is going to make the FN's unanimously happy regardless.

 

As usual you start off with a lie and go downhill from there. Sure you can.  Or at least you can make them happy enough that they won't get in the way. We've seen it with a number of projects.  But if you give the impression you're steamrolling them they'll slaughter you. ANd if you make a bunch of promises they'll be looking for ways to say you broke it. 

Doing this after the fact is just playing on hard mode. 

28 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

The 'banker' certainly appears to have the confidence and support from all premiers for both a trade deal with the US and the nation building that needs to happen.

Not really. He has the support of ford, (to an embarrassing degree strangely) the rest are saying "well we'll get behind you because you are the prime minister and that's what has to happen, but we need to see results."   Moe and Smith came right out and said that directly, Eby is expressing concerns about projects and such, etc etc. 

They are currently presenting a united front because that's what you need to do in these circumstances but without a doubt they all still have serious reservations (except ford) and while they're willing to give a little time for him to prove himself they are NOT giving him blind faith on it. 

32 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Doesn't appear that they miss PP's paperboy route and phone collection skills that he would have brought to the table...

Ford doesn't, eby would have hated them both although he would say he likes them both in front of the camera, everyone else would prefer pp but that's not what they got  so they'll do the best with what they have. Who wouldn't? The threat of trump's tariffs are real.  Until the next election this is what they've got to work with.  If Jack the Ripper won the election they'd be saying "well lets present a united front and give him a chance'  If they don't the negotiations are dead in the water and we're screwed. 

Ford isn't really a surprise, he actually had what many called a 'bromance' with Justin trudeau, and as Vassey put it "if you thought his bromance with trudeau was a thing he's taken it entirely to the next level for carney"   he practically campaigned for carney.  Ford figured out early on that the way to stay in power in ontario is to basically be a liberal evne if you're under the conservative banner. He runs the province closer to how wynne and her predecessor did. 

 

 

[LinkSoul60]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

As usual you start off with a lie and go downhill from there. Sure you can.  Or at least you can make them happy enough that they won't get in the way. We've seen it with a number of projects.  But if you give the impression you're steamrolling them they'll slaughter you. ANd if you make a bunch of promises they'll be looking for ways to say you broke it. 

Doing this after the fact is just playing on hard mode. 

Not really. He has the support of ford, (to an embarrassing degree strangely) the rest are saying "well we'll get behind you because you are the prime minister and that's what has to happen, but we need to see results."   Moe and Smith came right out and said that directly, Eby is expressing concerns about projects and such, etc etc. 

They are currently presenting a united front because that's what you need to do in these circumstances but without a doubt they all still have serious reservations (except ford) and while they're willing to give a little time for him to prove himself they are NOT giving him blind faith on it. 

Ford doesn't, eby would have hated them both although he would say he likes them both in front of the camera, everyone else would prefer pp but that's not what they got  so they'll do the best with what they have. Who wouldn't? The threat of trump's tariffs are real.  Until the next election this is what they've got to work with.  If Jack the Ripper won the election they'd be saying "well lets present a united front and give him a chance'  If they don't the negotiations are dead in the water and we're screwed. 

Ford isn't really a surprise, he actually had what many called a 'bromance' with Justin trudeau, and as Vassey put it "if you thought his bromance with trudeau was a thing he's taken it entirely to the next level for carney"   he practically campaigned for carney.  Ford figured out early on that the way to stay in power in ontario is to basically be a liberal evne if you're under the conservative banner. He runs the province closer to how wynne and her predecessor did. 

 

 

He has the support of them all for good reason....his business acumen and proven qualifications.  Paper boys and teenage phone collectors need not apply....

[CdnFox]

Just now, LinkSoul60 said:

He has the support of them all for good reason....

The good reason is he's prime minister and that's who is doing the negotiations and they literally have no choice. They have to present a united front or they're going to get eaten alive. The exception of ford they have all expressed concerns as loudly as they can and still appear united. They made it clear that they have doubts that he will be able to deliver but they are willing to give him enough time to prove them wrong

I know that breaks her little heart. Everybody wants their hero to be worshiped by everyone else and you're no exception. But the adults in the room or a little more dispassionate recognize this for what it is.

Which isn't to say he can't win their trust. If he delivers then they will be thoroughly happy. If Alberta gets its pipelines smith is going to sing his praises and say she was wrong to worry and rightly so. Frankly if he showed up with a good deal and got inter provincial trade working properly and solve the housing crisis got pipelines built the way he's promised he would over the next year i'd be the first to say I misjudged.

Based on what I've seen so far I have severe doubts that that's going to happen. He promised in the election he would be able to deal with trump and get rid of trump's tariffs and now he's saying he can't, he's already caved to trump numerous times and trump is vicious when he smells blood in the water. He's already put strain on the first nations relationships don't need to get any of those projects done. And he already blew past his deadline for resolving Interventional trade with next to no results.

Do something about those pipelines and trump doesn't get rid of the tariffs which appears to be what's going to happen that Ontario is absolutely screwed. The saving grace will be if we start massive pipeline building using ontario steel, that would help. So if you can't make that happen and he doesn't deliver a better deal with trump that he's signaling he's going to get it's going to be dark times

[CdnFox]

24 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

He has the support of them all for good reason....his business acumen and proven qualifications.  Paper boys and teenage phone collectors need not apply....

Here's more from eby talking about how confident he is that Carney will get a deal

‘Not obvious’ that Canada will strike a trade deal with U.S., B.C. Premier Eby says - The Globe and Mail

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

If he does it will require him to read the room better. It is not hard to upset the first nations and they can be incredibly obstructionist if they're pissed.  He's got to play that better. 

The Carney is a bonified thief and liar. That much is fact and the Libbies were fooled by him. But he's proceeding in a conservative direction for the most part.

If he continues to relax regulations and pushes forward, Canada will benefit and as a Nationalist, I am forced to approve.

In the end though, it is the carney's business concerns that will benefit the most. 

Edited July 23, 2025 by Nationalist

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

The Carney is a bonified thief and liar. That much is fact and the Libbies were fooled by him. But he's proceeding in a conservative direction for the most part.

If he continues to relax regulations and pushes forward, Canada will benefit and as a Nationalist, I am forced to approve.

In the end though, it is the carney's business concerns that will benefit the most. 

But he hasn't really relaxed any regulations. And this is kind of where I'm coming from. The antichrancor and anti-pipeline bills are still in place. Provincial trade federal bills that everyone agrees weren't really the problem. He moved the carbon tax from where people could see it to where it was hidden but he didn't get rid of it.

He's talking a great game. He's talking like a conservative. I mean his stated Playbook could have come straight from Poilievre's desk. But his execution is already beginning to lag and unimpress.

I'm happy to judge him on results but so far the results have been pretty meager despite having made promises to the contrary

[eyeball]

14 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The reality is that the chiefs are not convinced at all and Kearney made a number of promises to Them that he's not going to be able to deliver on. Or if he does he won't get his projects done.

Like I said. The guy doesn't understand politics

There are lots of non-natives who also don't like C-5 and don't want to see it used to ramp up fossil fuel production along with other environmentally damaging developments in Canada.

Carney also made promises to these people that he's expected to deliver on.

As for Carney, it seems there isn't a politician alive who understands that making promises is a mug's game. So is taking them too seriously and assigning enormous weight to them.

 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

But he hasn't really relaxed any regulations. And this is kind of where I'm coming from. The antichrancor and anti-pipeline bills are still in place. Provincial trade federal bills that everyone agrees weren't really the problem. He moved the carbon tax from where people could see it to where it was hidden but he didn't get rid of it.

He's talking a great game. He's talking like a conservative. I mean his stated Playbook could have come straight from Poilievre's desk. But his execution is already beginning to lag and unimpress.

I'm happy to judge him on results but so far the results have been pretty meager despite having made promises to the contrary

If it's all bark and no bite, I'll be right with you in calling the little thief out.

[Barquentine]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The reality is you claimed it was successful and amazing

Can you quote where I said that? No? You're a Lying  Liar who lies constantly. Lie on, LIAR!

And as usual, your extreme partisanship makes you a DUMBASS!!!

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

There are lots of non-natives who also don't like C-5 and don't want to see it used to ramp up fossil fuel production along with other environmentally damaging developments in Canada.

 

Sure. Stupidity knows no color

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Carney also made promises to these people that he's expected to deliver on.

He made no promise to those people

 

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As for Carney, it seems there isn't a politician alive who understands that making promises is a mug's game. So is taking them too seriously and assigning enormous weight to them.

Promises and if he breaks them people are going to be angry. People like you expect to be lied to because you have no self esteem, however the first nations get right pissed off about it and they are certainly historically able to block projects. And if the market gets a sniff that that's going to happen they just don't put proposals forward

 

[eyeball]

51 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

He made no promise to those people

But haven't you said he promised to stop climate change?

56 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

...however the first nations get right pissed off about it and they are certainly historically able to block projects. And if the market gets a sniff that that's going to happen they just don't put proposals forward

Whatever it takes I guess, in either case its like the old safety meeting joke - if nothing moves nothing gets hurt.  And Canadians are pretty famous for not moving on these sorts of things.

[WestCanMan]

On 7/18/2025 at 5:22 PM, CdnFox said:

 

That went horribly badly. 

Here's why you don't hire a bank person for a politician's job. Carney doesn't understand politics in the slightest. He doesn't understand political negotiation, he doesn't understand diplomacy. He's screwing up left right center already

I love how the village idjit just put a down-arro there for no particular reason.

"Yew cant tok abowt a stowy if its not nice to Carney 😭"

😂

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Extremists like you are too stupid to

OMG, are you accusing him of having a bouncy castle, Barqy?

You need some kind of proof before you make such serious allegations. 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Barquentine said:

Can you quote where I said that? No? You're a Lying  Liar who lies constantly. Lie on, LIAR!

I vastly overestimated your age at some point here. 

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

As usual you don't tell the full story....   That said, nobody is going to make the FN's unanimously happy regardless.

The 'banker' certainly appears to have the confidence and support from all premiers for both a trade deal with the US and the nation building that needs to happen.  The PC premiers actually speak very highly of him.....go figure.  Doesn't appear that they miss PP's paperboy route and phone collection skills that he would have brought to the table...

That's why Daniele Smith met with Trump herself. She has complete faith in the carney.

Edited July 23, 2025 by WestCanMan

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

He has the support of them all for good reason....his business acumen and proven qualifications.  Paper boys and teenage phone collectors need not apply....

His dishonesty is at a level that's disqualifying where issues of trust are concerned. 

If he wasn't wearing LPOC socks you'd hate him.

[WestCanMan]

15 minutes ago, eyeball said:

But haven't you said he promised to stop climate change?

Whatever it takes I guess, in either case its like the old safety meeting joke - if nothing moves nothing gets hurt.  And Canadians are pretty famous for not moving on these sorts of things.

I'm pretty sure that the PMOC can unilaterally reverse climate change. We just have to be careful that he doesn't turn the thermostat too low, and then we end up with another ice age.