Trump says he will impose 50% tariff on copper (canada exports billions worth of copper to us)

[Aristides]

Maybe Americans will have to go back to using aluminum wiring. Oh wait!

[paxamericana]

15 hours ago, Barquentine said:

The US is an authoritarian state now. The Republican majority  will never stand up to Trump, and a backward right wing Supreme court will let him do almost everything he wants to. As close to a dictatorship as you can get.

Democrats are toasted. Their big party pillars are not as robust. The coastal elite benefitted greatly from globalization but that is coming to an end. Trump is an agent of change, nothing more. His shock and awe tariff campaign aims to hasten deglobalization. It turns out that tax liability matters more to US voter than transgender and gays. The coastal elite doesn’t resonate with middle class Americans who are blue collar worker and actually benefit from the reindustrial boom and manufacturing renaissance here. And guess what, so are union workers, a long time democrat base. 

Edited July 11, 2025 by paxamericana

[myata]

Well, we will export it elsewhere and/or Americans will pay 50% tax to Trump. The art of the deal, for !diots.

[paxamericana]

38 minutes ago, myata said:

Well, we will export it elsewhere and/or Americans will pay 50% tax to Trump. The art of the deal, for !diots.

Nobody is buying from Canada. Stop delluding your selves. Your businesses will just go under, we'll pay 20 cents more . 

Edited July 11, 2025 by paxamericana

[ExFlyer]

5 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Nobody is buying from Canada. Stop delluding your selves. Your businesses will just go under, we'll pay 20 cents more . 

You really need to get informed LOL

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/250703/dq250703a-eng.htm

[paxamericana]

8 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

You really need to get informed LOL

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/250703/dq250703a-eng.htm

Your total trade , specifically export are falling since Jan. The data is consistant with the reality that nobody is buying from Canada. You net loss more business not increase. 

[myata]

14 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Nobody is buying from Canada.

Why won't you try fkg yourself, brainless yankee? Could be more fun that way as some have already found out.

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Your total trade , specifically export are falling since Jan. The data is consistant with the reality that nobody is buying from Canada. You net loss more business not increase. 

Nah.  we do lots  of trade with the rest of the world and the reason we haven't done more is that the us wanted our goods and they're right there.  For you it's been like living next to a mall, one stop shopping for all your energy and resource needs

But lots of other people want the stuff and we'll start selling to them. No biggie. We'll bulid more pipelines and sell our oil and gas elsewhere. We'll sell our minerals and metals else where.  Sure there'll be a transition period but not a big deal. We'll get through it and be stronger. 

[myata]

One thing we have to make sure to remember for three generations (at least) - even write it into the Constitution, provinces will be on board: no special deals with Yanks. None. They buy everything on world market at world prices. We import anything according to our standards and laws - no compromises. Done and stamped, period. 

No they just couldn't get it any other way. Sure we'll pay more and will have to work harder. But the lesson was worth it, every bit of it.

[paxamericana]

2 minutes ago, myata said:

One thing we have to make sure to remember for three generations (at least) - even write it into the Constitution, provinces will be on board: no special deals with Yanks. None. They buy everything on world market at world prices. We import anything according to our standards and laws - no compromises. Done and stamped, period. 

No they just couldn't get it any other way. Sure we'll pay more and will have to work harder. But the lesson was worth it, every bit of it.

That’s an interesting hill to die on. Is that why your GDP per capita flatline for the last 15 years? Meanwhile the yanks are just chugging along at 2.3% year on year. Welcome to the soon to be third world metrics. America really doesn’t care whatever happens in Canada, ever. 

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, paxamericana said:

That’s an interesting hill to die on. Is that why your GDP per capita flatline for the last 15 years? 

No, our GDP per capita flatlined because we had a government that insisted on excessive amounts of immigration. The immigrants earn less money and thus create less GDP but count towards the per capita portion so our GDP per capita has gone down.

Definitely a very serious concern. But it's got nothing to do with trade with the US

[paxamericana]

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

We'll get through it and be stronger. 

This dellusional sentiment while optimistic is just that dellusion. 

[CdnFox]

21 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

This dellusional sentiment while optimistic is just that dellusion. 

Ummm... your graph shows we're still at about the same levels we were before.  the current dip is about the same as the other dips we've seen since 2020.   

Did you MEAN to post proof you're worng?    LOLOLOLOL

The fact is even with the tariffs Americans really need what we sell. So they're still buying it. As you can clearly see from the graph it hasn't made that much of a difference

Sorry kiddo, I'm sure you thought you were relevant in everything but unfortunately not so much.

You don't think it's time to transition our markets substantially but we will and America will have access to less and less of our product. Which is going to be a major burden on Americans who will pay far more for their products and services and who may find that businesses actually wind up leaving America.

And there's other markets come online will jack our prices. For example we've sold oil to you guys at a severe discount for decades, as we get pipelines built there'll be no need to do that and you'll have to pay full price. And of course we can always increase our cost of electricity that we sell to you and there's a lot of it and use the money to help develop other markets.

Sorry to burst your bubble kid. This is going to be an inconvenience but nothing more

[WestCanMan]

23 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

There are a lot of media choices available.  If you don't like CBC, find something else.

You're skirting the point.....   if it's that bad for you in Canada, leave.  Life's too short to be b*tching about the same thing every day.

No, the point is that Trump taking over Canada is necessary. 

[WestCanMan]

22 hours ago, herbie said:

Quotes the definition and immediately forgets it making up his own definition.....

Are you here to prove my point from the "all our lefties are ret4rded liars" thread?

[Barquentine]

5 hours ago, paxamericana said:

The coastal elite doesn’t resonate with middle class Americans who are blue collar worker and actually benefit from the reindustrial boom and manufacturing renaissance here.

New York 2025/07/11
CNN
 — 
"President Donald Trump’s shock-and-awe tariff campaign is off to a slow start when it comes to reviving American manufacturing jobs.

While it will take time for the full impact to play out, the early results suggest that not only have tariffs failed to inspire a hiring boom, but the chaotic policy rollout is paralyzing businesses.

Economists and trade researchers say the haphazard nature of the trade war is compounding the longer-term pressure on US manufacturing.

Even as Trump spiked tariffs to levels unseen in nearly a century, the manufacturing sector lost a combined 14,000 net jobs in May and June, according to federal data."

LOST JOBS ACCORDING TO FEDERAL DATA!

[paxamericana]

41 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

14,000 net jobs in May and June, according to federal data."

You’re talking a country of 350 million. That’s a rounding error on any given day. And what, we would give up tariff and go back to the 1990s? For 14000 extra jobs so Canadians and the third world can sell to Americans tax free?

Edited July 11, 2025 by paxamericana

[LinkSoul60]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

No, the point is that Trump taking over Canada is necessary. 

You're a seasoned pro in the ability to talk stupid, which that comment only confirms.  

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, paxamericana said:

You’re talking a country of 350 million. That’s a rounding error on any given day. And what, we would give up tariff and go back to the 1990s? For 14000 extra jobs so Canadians and the third world can sell to Americans tax free?

Sure, but it's been happening a lot of days. US economy is currently underperforming. Because of the instability the trump is causing the world economy is beginning to underperform. And that will put negative pressure on the united states as well

Time will tell, it's too soon to render judgment and that's a simple fact but I don't like where this is going for any of usl

[Moonlight Graham]

11 hours ago, paxamericana said:

That’s an interesting hill to die on. Is that why your GDP per capita flatline for the last 15 years? Meanwhile the yanks are just chugging along at 2.3% year on year. Welcome to the soon to be third world metrics. America really doesn’t care whatever happens in Canada, ever. 

 And yet here you are!  😂

[I am Groot]

On 7/10/2025 at 12:27 PM, CdnFox said:

That's all true, but my point is why copper? I mean like you say the US is at Max Capacity for its copper production already and has to import it. 

I don't think Trump knows anything about imports or industry, or economics. He spouts whatever the last person to see him whispered in his ear. Somebody said something about manufacturing things and mentioned a big chunk of the copper that goes into it comes from abroad. Or maybe someone mentioned something about Canada and the negotiations and someone else suggested a way to put pressure on Carney. They know that threatening imports that come from Western Canada would be meaningless to the Liberals as they don't care about Western Canada. But copper and aluminum come from Quebec. THAT, they care about. So this is a pressure tactic, nothing more.

On 7/10/2025 at 12:27 PM, CdnFox said:

Part of me wonders if we have underestimated his need for cash.

Trump is the greediest man I've ever heard of, and has already made billions from this 'president' gig. But he doesn't give a damn about the US deficit or debt. Any thought otherwise should be eliminated due to the 'big beautiful bill' and the massive increase to the debt it will cause.

On 7/10/2025 at 12:27 PM, CdnFox said:

He seems to be putting large tariffs on various different things and then switching them around and it makes me wonder if he's trying to milk those imports for as much cash as he can get for as long as he can get and then stop before it actually does real permanent damage to that industry.

Trump has to win. In any negotiation, there is a winner and a loser. Compromise is alien to him. Either he wins or he loses. He has to win, so he is bullying and threatening smaller countries in order to win so he can triumphantly show his followers what a great negotiator he is. Getting some small or midling concessions from a country that used to be an ally, and by doing so with threats and bullying turning them into an enemy is immaterial. He doesn't care. He doesn't think the US needs any allies for anything. 

There are two things in life he cares about. Inflating his ego by counting his money, and 'winning' so he can swagger in front of people, and thus inflate his ego some more. Nothing else matters to the man.

On 7/10/2025 at 12:27 PM, CdnFox said:

This guy is going to wind up putting their american people into a recession if he doesn't smarten up relatively soon.

He doesn't care. He'll blame it on Biden.

[I am Groot]

On 7/10/2025 at 4:20 PM, CdnFox said:

A democracy does not give carte Blanche for the government to do whatever it likes. This isn't a dictatorship with a vote every 4 years

It's not supposed to be. But it is. Since the leader has absolute power over everyone in his caucus in Canada the caucus are sheep and do what they're told. One man makes all the decisions. Parliament is basically just a waste of time with a majority. And even now, with his very strong minority, he's bulletproof there. The NDP certainly can't afford another election, and the Tories aren't going to cause one when his popularity from making promises is at an all-time high. 

On 7/10/2025 at 4:42 PM, LinkSoul60 said:

my point is that if you're having difficulty coping with our just recent election results and are disgusted with our country, leave if it's that bad for you.  

Is that like "America, love it or leave it?"

You know that it's not so easy to be allowed to stay in most other countries, right? Unlike Canada, they have rules and regulations and can be picky about who they let come in and stay. You don't just get to move to the US or France or Japan, for that matter.

[I am Groot]

23 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Nobody is buying from Canada. Stop delluding your selves. Your businesses will just go under, we'll pay 20 cents more . 

Everyone wants what we have. The problem is our government doesn't want to sell it.

22 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Your total trade , specifically export are falling since Jan. The data is consistant with the reality that nobody is buying from Canada. You net loss more business not increase. 

I realize you're a foreigner, but do you not grasp what the word 'nobody' actually means? 

[I am Groot]

22 hours ago, myata said:

One thing we have to make sure to remember for three generations (at least) - even write it into the Constitution, provinces will be on board: no special deals with Yanks. None. They buy everything on world market at world prices. We import anything according to our standards and laws - no compromises. Done and stamped, period. 

A little hard to arrange when we produce 4.7 million barrels of oil a day and only have enough pipeline capacity to ship 790k of it to anywhere but the US.

Edited July 12, 2025 by I am Groot

[paxamericana]

10 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Everyone wants what we have. The problem is our government doesn't want to sell it.

Let me clarify, your industry is not competitive it's cheaper to buy elsewhere. The only market you're able to sell to is the USA. We're doing you Canadian a favor by levying tariff on everyone , especially the Chinese. Some of you think I'm anti-Canadian, I'm not. Like an older brother you just have to shit on the little brother every once in a while to straighten them out. I know what is good for Canada, you all can't seem to help your selves. 

Edited July 12, 2025 by paxamericana