cougar Posted June 18 Report Posted June 18 They say our 41 million population only grew by 20,107 people in the first quarter of 2025 which they consider 0% but the more interesting line in the article below is this: "Canada admitted 104,256 immigrants in the first quarter of 2025, while net emigration totalled 17,410." Does this mean people are leaving Canada as quickly as they come in? About 80,000 appear to have moved out in the first quarter. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-population-growth-stalls-1.7564569 1 Quote
Aristides Posted June 18 Report Posted June 18 Quote Meanwhile, the number of non-permanent residents dropped by 61,111. Quote
QuebecOverCanada Posted June 18 Report Posted June 18 It's a welcomed pause. It could make the unemployment rate go down from its current 7% at this rate, if immigration could lower even more for a little drop in the number of people living in Canada altogether, it could be a huge win for our purchasing power. Quote
CdnFox Posted June 19 Report Posted June 19 3 hours ago, cougar said: They say our 41 million population only grew by 20,107 people in the first quarter of 2025 which they consider 0% but the more interesting line in the article below is this: "Canada admitted 104,256 immigrants in the first quarter of 2025, while net emigration totalled 17,410." Does this mean people are leaving Canada as quickly as they come in? About 80,000 appear to have moved out in the first quarter. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-population-growth-stalls-1.7564569 Yes, I believe that's a net. There have been a number of news stories about how people have been leaving Canada and somewhat record numbers in addition a lot of student visas expired and we're not renewed and it was expected that the number of those people would go home. However the import targets for this year are exceptionally High, and sadly the people leaving are probably the ones we least want to see go while the ones remaining are probably the ones that are the biggest drain on our resources. Not because they want to be but that's just the way it works, it's much easier to leave if you're successful than it is if you're still struggling. 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
WestCanMan Posted June 19 Report Posted June 19 17 hours ago, CdnFox said: sadly the people leaving are probably the ones we least want to see go while the ones remaining are probably the ones that are the biggest drain on our resources. I doubt that any of the welfare crowd that came here would get juicier benefits back where they came from. 1 Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
CdnFox Posted June 19 Report Posted June 19 12 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: I doubt that any of the welfare crowd that came here would get juicier benefits back where they came from. Well the biggest problem is that even if they would, or even if they would get juicier benefits somewhere else, because the liberals have screwed up our system so badly the immigrants that come here frequently can't get ahead and they simply CAN'T go backward or forward and they're stuck here living off the system and reducing our gdp per capita because of a lack of opportunity and choice rather than because they want to. They might want to work and prosper but for whatever reason they can't and those are the ones who stay, the ones who are more employable are the ones leaving Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
cougar Posted June 19 Author Report Posted June 19 20 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Well the biggest problem is that even if they would, or even if they would get juicier benefits somewhere else, because the liberals have screwed up our system so badly the immigrants that come here frequently can't get ahead and they simply CAN'T go backward or forward and they're stuck here living off the system and reducing our gdp per capita because of a lack of opportunity and choice rather than because they want to. They might want to work and prosper but for whatever reason they can't and those are the ones who stay, the ones who are more employable are the ones leaving It may also have to do with the type of work Canada has to offer. A resource based economy needs mostly equipment operators, sales associates for the stores, tellers for the banks - few hi-tech, engineering, research and development opportunities. Let's hope they are bringing in doctors and nurses now but I highly doubt that. Quote
Aristides Posted June 19 Report Posted June 19 (edited) Our birth rate isn't high enough to maintain our population. Without immigration we become a nation of geezers. We need to be selective about who we accept and make sure there are opportunities for them so they stay. Edited June 19 by Aristides 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted June 19 Report Posted June 19 14 minutes ago, cougar said: It may also have to do with the type of work Canada has to offer. A resource based economy needs mostly equipment operators, sales associates for the stores, tellers for the banks - few hi-tech, engineering, research and development opportunities. Let's hope they are bringing in doctors and nurses now but I highly doubt that. Sure. It also has to do a lot with the fact that immigrants are less desirable to employers then Canadians for a variety of reasons, and that many immigrants have barriers such as language skills and such that limit their ability to find work. They may also have trouble getting accreditation for the skills they are good at and there's no track record of their working Canada that they can present that an employer can follow up on The reason we were successful with this in the past was because there was a fantastic mentoring system where people from the region that the immigrant was coming from would help make sure they acclimatized, point out the differences in culture so they didn't fall into culture traps, help them get resources they needed to get ahead and to navigate our systems, introduce them to prospective employers who would be willing to give them a shot, and a host of other things But that system is somewhat limited, you cannot just hire more mentors. What should I did was start bringing in people so fast that it completely overwhelmed that system and now the immigrants don't have the same resources to help them settle in and get started and that makes things worse and worse and worse for many of them. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
August1991 Posted June 21 Report Posted June 21 On 6/18/2025 at 6:50 PM, QuebecOverCanada said: It's a welcomed pause. It could make the unemployment rate go down from its current 7% at this rate, if immigration could lower even more for a little drop in the number of people living in Canada altogether, it could be a huge win for our purchasing power. Pause? Canada (like Australia) is a country of large spaces - with few people. Compare a new born child in Canada vs an immigrant. -With the newborn, we are facing costs for the next 15 years (at least) before the kid produces anything useful (in a minimum wage job). Heck, we have to teach kids how to tie their shoelaces. -With an immigrant, we receive a ready-formed person - who at least knows how to tie their shoelaces. Quote
CdnFox Posted June 21 Report Posted June 21 1 hour ago, August1991 said: Pause? Canada (like Australia) is a country of large spaces - with few people. Compare a new born child in Canada vs an immigrant. -With the newborn, we are facing costs for the next 15 years (at least) before the kid produces anything useful (in a minimum wage job). Heck, we have to teach kids how to tie their shoelaces. -With an immigrant, we receive a ready-formed person - who at least knows how to tie their shoelaces. The immigrant is less functional in our society for most of the rest of their life than a natural born of similar nature. Growing up that 15 year old gained a lot of knowledge about our society. They learned acceptable norms and practices, They and their family made a lot of contacts which will pay off later when looking for work or doing business, they will be a product of a local educational system which produces results employers can understand more directly and utilize, And they will be producing revenues for the gov't duirng all of their most healthy years, wheras a imigrant in their 30's will produce less money on average per year AND will do so for fewer years before they reach an older age where medical services start to really shoot up cost wise. The natural canadian will make more money (on average), pay more tax, (on average) by far, and contribute more to the wealth generation process and yet they cost exactly the same amount of resources and tax expenditures, Finally, they are more likely to have a strong loyalty to Canada and their participation in the political process tends to reflect that. Soooo it's not the same thing. Most of that is well established fact from many studies. Immigration is a less successful model than natural population growth. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Moonlight Graham Posted June 21 Report Posted June 21 Sounds like people are leaving Canada because the country sucks these days. I blame Canadians themselves for continuing to re-elect fools at all levels of government. 2 Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
CdnFox Posted June 21 Report Posted June 21 10 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: Sounds like people are leaving Canada because the country sucks these days. I blame Canadians themselves for continuing to re-elect fools at all levels of government. I can't find faults with any of that 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
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