Israel's Attack on Iran: Is China Plotting the Same Thing in America?

[WestCanMan]

The Chinese have been buying up land around American bases for a while. They have thousands of students and presumably agents in the US.

This is what the Israelis did to Iran:

•  "We established a drone base inside Iran, and at zero hour, Mossad operatives retrieved them from hiding spots. We placed precision missiles on numerous vehicles and embedded additional missiles throughout the country, hidden inside rocks. We activated this entire array in precise coordination with the Israeli air force."

  Israeli jets launched simultaneous strikes on dozens of sites, including Iran’s primary uranium enrichment facility at Natanz. Located 1,500 kilometers from Israeli territory, Natanz had long been a critical part of Iran’s nuclear program. Brig. Gen. Effie Defrin, the Israeli Defense Forces spokesperson, described it as an underground compound containing multi-level centrifuge halls and electrical infrastructure.

Chinese jets can't exactly scoot into the US undetected from a bajillion km away, but a wide-scale attack on US bases and infrastructure could possibly be carried out. It would likely include cyber and energy weapons as well. Maybe even another round of bioweapons from Wuhan, which seemed particularly impactful. Oh, and no doubt they'd store weapons in Canada too, Trudeau might have even helped them. 

[CITIZEN_2015]

31 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The Chinese have been buying up land around American bases for a while. They have thousands of students and presumably agents in the US.

This is what the Israelis did to Iran:

•  "We established a drone base inside Iran, and at zero hour, Mossad operatives retrieved them from hiding spots. We placed precision missiles on numerous vehicles and embedded additional missiles throughout the country, hidden inside rocks. We activated this entire array in precise coordination with the Israeli air force."

  Israeli jets launched simultaneous strikes on dozens of sites, including Iran’s primary uranium enrichment facility at Natanz. Located 1,500 kilometers from Israeli territory, Natanz had long been a critical part of Iran’s nuclear program. Brig. Gen. Effie Defrin, the Israeli Defense Forces spokesperson, described it as an underground compound containing multi-level centrifuge halls and electrical infrastructure.

Chinese jets can't exactly scoot into the US undetected from a bajillion km away, but a wide-scale attack on US bases and infrastructure could possibly be carried out. It would likely include cyber and energy weapons as well. Maybe even another round of bioweapons from Wuhan, which seemed particularly impactful. Oh, and no doubt they'd store weapons in Canada too, Trudeau might have even helped them. 

Well done Israelis. They should have formed an underground special forces inside Iran also, to assassinate simultaneously the Islamic Republic military and political figures and the mullahs in power to start an uprising.

[West]

45 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The Chinese have been buying up land around American bases for a while. They have thousands of students and presumably agents in the US.

This is what the Israelis did to Iran:

•  "We established a drone base inside Iran, and at zero hour, Mossad operatives retrieved them from hiding spots. We placed precision missiles on numerous vehicles and embedded additional missiles throughout the country, hidden inside rocks. We activated this entire array in precise coordination with the Israeli air force."

  Israeli jets launched simultaneous strikes on dozens of sites, including Iran’s primary uranium enrichment facility at Natanz. Located 1,500 kilometers from Israeli territory, Natanz had long been a critical part of Iran’s nuclear program. Brig. Gen. Effie Defrin, the Israeli Defense Forces spokesperson, described it as an underground compound containing multi-level centrifuge halls and electrical infrastructure.

Chinese jets can't exactly scoot into the US undetected from a bajillion km away, but a wide-scale attack on US bases and infrastructure could possibly be carried out. It would likely include cyber and energy weapons as well. Maybe even another round of bioweapons from Wuhan, which seemed particularly impactful. Oh, and no doubt they'd store weapons in Canada too, Trudeau might have even helped them. 

Probably behind the arson forest fires if I had to guess. 

The pattern being used is the same as the China virus to garner sympathy, attack the government. Very sick

Edited Saturday at 12:52 AM by West

[Michael Hardner]

Bonkers.

[Moonlight Graham]

The issue is the US is a nuclear power and Iran isn't.  The US can retaliate against China, including cyberwarfare etc.

Granted, the US needs to be very careful in regards to China, like they were with the USSR during the Cold War.

[User]

9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The issue is the US is a nuclear power and Iran isn't.  The US can retaliate against China, including cyberwarfare etc.

Granted, the US needs to be very careful in regards to China, like they were with the USSR during the Cold War.

Yes... but to what extent of pain is China willing to endure?

If they launch a surprise attack against Taiwan, which they are poised to do, and prepared to respond to a conventional warfare response from America by releasing a surprise drone attack throughout the states... that IS a concern. 

China has been running their air force and navy constantly by Taiwan, they have been building up Amphibious forces and training constantly. 

These are all tactics and part of a strategy that would prevent advanced warning or early warning postures to be ready to fight against their invasion. When they are ALWAYS conducting military operations that look like a pretext to war against Taiwan, when they actually do it, that will be harder to detect. 

So, if America then responds with conventional forces, which China has also been preparing for asymetrical warfare against... it won't take much for them to hinder conventional Navy response with overwhelming missiles and if needed to start taking out our bases with a conventional response. 

All they have to do is make it painful quickly, take Taiwan, and then what... we are going to committ to full scale war to take it back? 

Likely not. 

Just saying, it is not as cut and dry as it seems to just ignore the realm of possibility here for a state actor like China to deploy something similar. 

It is exactly why Hegest / Trump administration was right to be concerned about China buying up all the land around the Panama Canal. 

 

[herbie]

It's coming to GET YOU Barabara, coming to GET you....

No evidence whatsoever needed to dredge these dark alarmist conspiracies from deep in the mind of the deeply disturbed.

[User]

13 minutes ago, herbie said:

It's coming to GET YOU Barabara, coming to GET you....

No evidence whatsoever needed to dredge these dark alarmist conspiracies from deep in the mind of the deeply disturbed.

There is no conspiracy here in evaluating tactics actually being used now and how they might be used in America. 

 

[CdnFox]

11 hours ago, User said:

Yes... but to what extent of pain is China willing to endure?

If they launch a surprise attack against Taiwan, which they are poised to do, and prepared to respond to a conventional warfare response from America by releasing a surprise drone attack throughout the states... that IS a concern. 

 

Honestly I think that asia probably learned their lesson from the last guys who tried almost that exact scenario. Japan also wanted to sieze the areas around the asia pacific and did a sneak attack on the USA as cover. Didn't go so well  

Open warfare with the USA is not something china could survive,  and that's what they'd get if they launched a major attack on us soil. 

If the go after tiwan the plan will  be grab it super fast with a huge fleet in between them and the americans and basically say "we've already taken the place, do you REALLY want to go to war and lose thousands of lives for soemthing that's already over?

[WestCanMan]

18 hours ago, herbie said:

It's coming to GET YOU Barabara, coming to GET you....

No evidence whatsoever needed to dredge these dark alarmist conspiracies from deep in the mind of the deeply disturbed.

Yeah. 'Cause who would ever start a war or conduct espionage, right?

FYI the Chinese aren't goldfish, like you. Their plans don't just go 1 second in advance, with no recollection whatsoever of what happened 7 seconds ago. 

[WestCanMan]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Open warfare with the USA is not something china could survive,  and that's what they'd get if they launched a major attack on us soil. 

Maybe, but China plans for the next 100 years, not just next 6 months from now.

If you look at how much they grew their navy, the types of long-range missiles, drones and fighters they are developing, the technologies that they're researching for creating/harvesting energy, and their AI, they're getting closer every day. 

China is definitely an adversary of the US, there just aren't any open hostilities yet.

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Maybe, but China plans for the next 100 years, not just next 6 months from now.

Sure, but they're aware that in the now they can't win a war against the us. IF the us gets fully invested in such a conflict, china will suffer horribly and there is a real chance of a nuclear exchange and that does NOT favour china at all. 

They do not look so far down the road that they trip on the pebble at their feet, as the saying goes. 

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If you look at how much they grew their navy, the types of long-range missiles, drones and fighters they are developing, the technologies that they're researching for creating/harvesting energy, and their AI, they're getting closer every day. 

China is definitely an adversary of the US, there just aren't any open hostilities yet.

 

They certainly WANT to be.... but while they've come up with some advanced designs and such for planes and built a lot of boats, it hasn't changed the balance of power.  Their navy ships are no where near as capable as the us, and any major contest will see the chinese lose ships at a horribly unsustainable ratio.   their planes are decent, but nothing terribly exciting and they simply can't afford to build enough of them to overwhelm the us. At least not at this time. 

Their entire posture is 'aggressive defensive', meaning that fighting a war in their backyard would be very expensive in terms of men and materials and even if you won you'd lose, but their ability to project that power very far from their own shores is pretty limited.