Canadians reject the claim they live on "stolen indigenous land".

[Legato]

30 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You can't put toothpaste back in the tube.

No, but you can put the cap back on.

[eyeball]

9 minutes ago, Legato said:

No, but you can put the cap back on.

A limit on jurisprudence? That would have to apply to everyone if we're all the same.

[LinkSoul60]

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

So if there's a draft should we draft 16 year olds to go and fight?

No more than I think 16 year olds should be flying Boeing 777’s   Comparing war to the eligibility to vote is beyond a stretch, don’t you think?  War has life and death consequences, casting a vote does not.  

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

You can't put toothpaste back in the tube.

That is precisely what the first nations are trying to do

[eyeball]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

That is precisely what the first nations are trying to do

With the cap back on the tube?  Maybe you and Legato can back to us when you get the analogy figured out.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

With the cap back on the tube?  Maybe you and Legato can back to us when you get the analogy figured out.

It's your analogy kid. I was responding to you.  I'm hardly shocked to discover  that you don't know what you're talking about either, But you can hardly expect me to explain you  

[eyeball]

44 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It's your analogy kid. I was responding to you.  I'm hardly shocked to discover  that you don't know what you're talking about either, But you can hardly expect me to explain you  

You clearly don't get the analogy. The analogy is that the tube is the justice system, and the toothpaste are the gains indigenous people have squeezed out. Legato suggests capping the tube presumably to prevent more gains from being realized.

Then you piped up and tried to splain things with your usual knee-jerk missed-the-point manner.

[Legato]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

With the cap back on the tube?  Maybe you and Legato can back to us when you get the analogy figured out.

There are not enough letters in the alphabet explain your consistent babble about everything divided by nothing.

[eyeball]

Just now, Legato said:

There are not enough letters in the alphabet explain your consistent babble about everything divided by nothing.

Go stick it up your šxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm.

[Nationalist]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Go stick it up your šxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm.

Are you still whining about the Indians?

[Moonlight Graham]

There were estimated only about a million indigenous people or less in Canada pre-Columbus.  Many of those died from disease exposure.

Some of the land is stolen, mainly along shoreline where they would have lived, but the vast majority of Canada was uninhabited even pre-Columbus.

[Moonlight Graham]

On 6/13/2025 at 9:54 PM, blackbird said:

These land acknowledgements that are being made frequently by politicians are not wise.  It only provokes FN activists to demand more and the acknowledgements will be used by FN activists to make further demands and claims.  White man will be paying forever.

"We acknowledge we live on X traditional territory.   We're not going to leave of course, but it makes us feel better to say these things. while not having to actually do anything. "

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

"We acknowledge we live on X traditional territory.   We're not going to leave of course, but it makes us feel better to say these things. while not having to actually do anything. "

Exactly. We acknowledge this because it's cheaper than actually addressing any issues And because first nations are too thick to be able to actually look for things that will make their life better

[Army Guy]

On 6/24/2025 at 11:51 PM, LinkSoul60 said:

 

No more than I think 16 year olds should be flying Boeing 777’s   Comparing war to the eligibility to vote is beyond a stretch, don’t you think?  War has life and death consequences, casting a vote does not.  

We can't even get adults to understand the issues of this country, and now you want to add to the mix 16 years olds...how many are even going to use their votes, or take an interest in politics for that matter... what would political parties even pander to them with, no tax on candy, lowering the drinking age to 16, ......not to mention the bias of the education system which takes years of real life experience to reverse...

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

We can't even get adults to understand the issues of this country, and now you want to add to the mix 16 years olds...how many are even going to use their votes, or take an interest in politics for that matter... what would political parties even pander to them with, no tax on candy, lowering the drinking age to 16, ......not to mention the bias of the education system which takes years of real life experience to reverse...

I don't lose sleep over it nor will spend time advocating for it, but why not. Interest with the young crowd is low and would be even lower at that age. Teaching civics in schools so let them have a say if they want. Education is obviously the bias but so is health care with seniors and agriculture policies for farmers. No better experts in education than the ones doing it. No interest in voting at 16 but likely would have if lowering the drinking age was a vote....

[Barquentine]

19 hours ago, CdnFox said:

first nations are too thick to be able to actually look for things that will make their life better

Dare you to actually leave the house and say that to a first nation person. Racist.

A new report from the Atlantic Economic Council last week showed just how strong the region’s Indigenous economy has become. The report put the total economic impact of Indigenous businesses and communities at $6.2 billion of GDP in 2021, about 4.5 percent of region’s total output. (The available numbers are a few years old the but the trends have continued.) The sector supported 89,000 jobs, about eight percent of Atlantic Canada’s total and contributed $2.1 billion in tax revenue to government coffers. Overall, the Indigenous economy is 27 percent bigger than agriculture, double the size of the aerospace and defence industries, and has roughly 13 times the economic impact of international students attending university in the region.

[Army Guy]

8 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I don't lose sleep over it nor will spend time advocating for it, but why not. Interest with the young crowd is low and would be even lower at that age. Teaching civics in schools so let them have a say if they want. Education is obviously the bias but so is health care with seniors and agriculture policies for farmers. No better experts in education than the ones doing it. No interest in voting at 16 but likely would have if lowering the drinking age was a vote....

With all the problems we face in this country today, i don't see this as an issue we should be tackling right now....I also don't think our current education system spends a whole lot of time with civics that affect our nation, province etc...more time is put into other large lobby groups agendas like LGBTQ, or the palestinian plight etc.. 

I disagree with who better experts than the the current core we have now. I think our education system as a whole needs to be reset, instead of concentrating on issue that effects a small portion of the population and concentrate on real education, or real world skills like personal finance, money management, picking a relevant career path, issues that effects all Canadians.

 

[Army Guy]

14 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

Dare you to actually leave the house and say that to a first nation person. Racist.

A new report from the Atlantic Economic Council last week showed just how strong the region’s Indigenous economy has become. The report put the total economic impact of Indigenous businesses and communities at $6.2 billion of GDP in 2021, about 4.5 percent of region’s total output. (The available numbers are a few years old the but the trends have continued.) The sector supported 89,000 jobs, about eight percent of Atlantic Canada’s total and contributed $2.1 billion in tax revenue to government coffers. Overall, the Indigenous economy is 27 percent bigger than agriculture, double the size of the aerospace and defence industries, and has roughly 13 times the economic impact of international students attending university in the region.

I wonder how much of that is mostly supported by federal tax funding, or how much does the fed spend to achieve your results you have provided...according the federal web site feds spend almost 30 bil each year on Indigenous support, not counting loans or grants for indigenous business last year accounted for over 5 bil...  

https://budget.canada.ca/2024/report-rapport/chap6-en.html

https://sac-isc.gc.ca/eng/1731612400516/1731612419549

[LinkSoul60]

55 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

With all the problems we face in this country today, i don't see this as an issue we should be tackling right now....I also don't think our current education system spends a whole lot of time with civics that affect our nation, province etc...more time is put into other large lobby groups agendas like LGBTQ, or the palestinian plight etc.. 

I disagree with who better experts than the the current core we have now. I think our education system as a whole needs to be reset, instead of concentrating on issue that effects a small portion of the population and concentrate on real education, or real world skills like personal finance, money management, picking a relevant career path, issues that effects all Canadians.

 

Couldn't agree more.... with both the more important issues/priorities to be dealt with and a reset of how we educate the younger generation.

Again, not losing sleepover this nor do I care one way or the other if the voting age changes. Voicing an opinion is all I'm doing....

I've lost touch with our education system since mine left a lot of years ago.  Grandchildren haven't even started yet but to your points......I've been saying that for a few decades now.  Teach children what is truly relevant to life...finances, business, careers, civics, etc....along with the critical thinking and development skills already being taught.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Dare you to actually leave the house and say that to a first nation person. Racist.

 

Happy to do so. 

And it's not racism. There really is a first nations group and they really are pushing for name changes to city streets and land acknowledgments instead of things that will make their life better. They are more worried about optics than anything. And that's not racial, they are a nation. It would be no different than if I said israel isn't doing something to its advantage

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A new report from the Atlantic Economic Council last week showed just how strong the region’s Indigenous economy has become. The report put the total economic impact of Indigenous businesses and communities at $6.2 billion of GDP in 2021, about 4.5 percent of region’s total output. (The available numbers are a few years old the but the trends have continued.) The sector supported 89,000 jobs, about eight percent of Atlantic Canada’s total and contributed $2.1 billion in tax revenue to government coffers. Overall, the Indigenous economy is 27 percent bigger than agriculture, double the size of the aerospace and defence industries, and has roughly 13 times the economic impact of international students attending university in the region.

Most of it taxpayer supported and funded.

And this is the problem. If you took away both government taxes and gov't funding first nations peoples would be radically poorer.

Whereas the non first nations people's would all be wealthier. That's because non first nations pay considerably more in taxes than they get back in benefits directly. Where is first nations survive on government benefits in the form of cash or services.

And that's a problem, and one that they really need to deal with at some point.

And sorry, I know you love to throw words like racist around instead of making an intelligent argument but it's absolutely not racist.  We can talk about first nations issues without it being a 'racist' issue. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

I wonder how much of that is mostly supported by federal tax funding, or how much does the fed spend to achieve your results you have provided...according the federal web site feds spend almost 30 bil each year on Indigenous support, not counting loans or grants for indigenous business last year accounted for over 5 bil...  

https://budget.canada.ca/2024/report-rapport/chap6-en.html

https://sac-isc.gc.ca/eng/1731612400516/1731612419549

And those figures generally don't take into account things like tax-free benefits of things like fuel. I know in British Columbia a lot of first nations logging truck driving companies fill their trucks up without paying taxes and that's a huge advantage and it means that their economic activity isn't benefiting canada the same way through tax revenue.

As I just noted to someone else, the challenges that if the government canceled all taxes and all payouts and benefits, the first nations would suffer horribly whereas pretty much everybody else would actually have more money in their pockets.

They need to be focused on looking for things that are going to improve their actual self-sufficiency. Not changing street names

[Barquentine]

23 hours ago, CdnFox said:

first nations are too thick

Yeah, you would say that to a Cree or Algonquin. I'd pay to see that. You're so brave at home, anonymous, behind your Pc with the curtains drawn and cheeto-dusted fingers.

[CdnFox]

Just now, Barquentine said:

Yeah, you would say that to a Cree or Algonquin. 

I'd say it to anybody. And I'd explain exactly why I felt that way. And I bet a significant portion of them would agree, wasting their time and energy demanding the street names get changed instead of looking for real changes that will actually benefit their life and allow them to have the freedom to move forward is stupid.

But of course you feel that they all think exactly the same way and none of them will see that wasting their time like that is counterproductive. Because all first nations in your mind think the same things and behave the same way and are incapable of seeing logic.

And you call me racist.🙄🙄🙄🙄

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I'd pay to see that. You're so brave at home, anonymous, behind your Pc with the curtains drawn and cheeto-dusted finger

You'd have to go out and get a real job first, a Paperboy couldn't afford my pay  LOLOL

You know I got no problem sharing my thoughts with anyone . I get that for you your opinion and what you'd be willing to say changes based on who you're talking to, and that's actually fairly obvious. But for me the truth is the truth is the truth. And like I said I suspect there's a fair number first nations who would agree with me that this is a waste of time

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Dare you to actually leave the house and say that to a first nation person. Racist.

A new report from the Atlantic Economic Council last week showed just how strong the region’s Indigenous economy has become. The report put the total economic impact of Indigenous businesses and communities at $6.2 billion of GDP in 2021, about 4.5 percent of region’s total output. (The available numbers are a few years old the but the trends have continued.) The sector supported 89,000 jobs, about eight percent of Atlantic Canada’s total and contributed $2.1 billion in tax revenue to government coffers. Overall, the Indigenous economy is 27 percent bigger than agriculture, double the size of the aerospace and defence industries, and has roughly 13 times the economic impact of international students attending university in the region.

Psst...know what? There's a couple o' native sisters from Thunderbay that hang out at the wife's bar. We have had this conversation. They agree with @CdnFox...not you.

The problem you people have is you can't buck common sense forever. Eventually, it bites you in the a55.

Edited yesterday at 05:51 PM by Nationalist

[Barquentine]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

There's a couple o' native sisters from Thunderbay that hang out at the wife's bar.

Well that settles it. Bar stool wisdom trumps everything! Next round's on me.