What is Fascism?

[Legato]

24 minutes ago, robosmith said:

How about you read it again (and again) until you understand it?

I did and did and did and it's biased, so it sits at your level.

Now I ask, which 66% is not biased.

Put down the Zucchini and deliver facts please, not twisted opinions.

[Nationalist]

29 minutes ago, robosmith said:

How about you read it again (and again) until you understand it?

Lol...speaketh the anti-credible...

[CdnFox]

The problem is many people have a bad habit of defining fascism as how mussolini behaved, rather than the actual tenants of fascism. Frankly looking at the wikipedia entry virtually every model of government has exhibited the vast majority of those principles one time or another and they're not really part of fascism.

In the early 19th century the world was flirting with concepts like communism, socialism in general under several models, and that included things like market socialism like the Nazis or the fascists.

And if we're being honest those same models are being revisited today. There is a stark similarity between some of those models and democratic socialism for example as it's described in Europe.

Neither the Nazi model nor the fascist model actually calls for a supreme leader, that's kind of just how it played out. The same is true of Communism and Stalin. The vast majority of socialist models inevitably wind up with one person in control at the top running the show and not being excited about anybody else getting to run the show. China, north Korea, Russia, cuba, venezuela.... 

Honestly both Fascism and Nazism for the most part would be seen as legitimate models today by many on the left if you took away the racism and imperialism at the particular leaders of those parties subscribe to.

But because they are considered horrible words and terrible things to be as a result of world war II, the left pulls its' usual game of twisting the meaning of any 'bad' word and uses it everywhere without regard for it's actual meaning to refer to things they don't like. 

Everyone right of Castro is "far right" and "Nazi" and "facist" and "dunning kruguer".  (ok , that last one might just be robo but still) . 

Math can be racists, Everything is a genocide (except actual genocide), etc etc. 

 

 

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

I did and did and did and it's biased, so it sits at your level.

Now I ask, which 66% is not biased.

Put down the Zucchini and deliver facts please, not twisted opinions.

I quoted the facts from gnat girl's link for you, but you didn't understand what it means, so you need to read it AGAIN. Duh

Let us know when you understand the RELATIVE BIAS described.

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...speaketh the anti-credible...

You don't understand how you ARE WRONG either nor how you destroyed your credibility. LMAO

[Nationalist]

15 minutes ago, robosmith said:

I quoted the facts from gnat girl's link for you, but you didn't understand what it means, so you need to read it AGAIN. Duh

Let us know when you understand the RELATIVE BIAS described.

You don't understand how you ARE WRONG either nor how you destroyed your credibility. LMAO

Lol..."RELATIVE BIAS"...

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Lol..."RELATIVE BIAS"...

That's where you think your mother is nuts but no one else does right?

[robosmith]

31 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Lol..."RELATIVE BIAS"...

Let us know when you find a source which is 100% unbiased. LMAO

[Legato]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

I quoted the facts from gnat girl's link for you, but you didn't understand what it means, so you need to read it AGAIN. Duh

Let us know when you understand the RELATIVE BIAS described.

You don't understand how you ARE WRONG either nor how you destroyed your credibility. LMAO

Don't know a gnat girl, is she Bat girls sister and rides a Barley Soupidson?

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

That's where you think your mother is nuts but no one else does right?

It's silly. And I mean that in the most literal way.

The guy is silly.

[robosmith]

46 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

It's silly. And I mean that in the most literal way.

The guy is silly.

Wrong again, but it's all you got when you've LOST. LMAO

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Wrong again, but it's all you got when you've LOST. LMAO

You have no idea what anyone's talking about, do you  

[Deluge]

20 hours ago, robosmith said:

Your cite compares Britannica to wikipedia, but conservapedia is CLEARLY an AGENDA DRIVEN site. Duh

You have your sources confused.

YOUR sources are what's agenda driven.

Conservapedia only has one agenda and that is the truth.  

12 hours ago, robosmith said:

Wrong again, but it's all you got when you've LOST. LMAO

robowoke projects with the best of them.  

[CdnFox]

16 minutes ago, Deluge said:

robowoke projects with the best of them.  

I hear universal studios has offered him 6 figures and a massive signing bonus.  

[Deluge]

16 hours ago, robosmith said:

Let us know when you find a source which is 100% unbiased. LMAO

You're 100% biased, but you're not a source - you're just some confused a$$hole who supports illegal immigration. 

[Aristides]

MAGATs should remember it is much easier to become a fascist dictatorship than it is to get rid of one.

[User]

14 minutes ago, Aristides said:

MAGATs should remember it is much easier to become a fascist dictatorship than it is to get rid of one.

Well, Conservatives support a strong Second Amendment and a more limited Federal Government, and folks on the left mock them when they bring up tyranny. 

So... 

[Aristides]

3 minutes ago, User said:

Well, Conservatives support a strong Second Amendment and a more limited Federal Government, and folks on the left mock them when they bring up tyranny. 

So... 

Ya, all those “patriots” will stand around, watch and do nothing. They will probably cheer as it happens because he (whoever it is) is their guy.

Edited Wednesday at 09:49 PM by Aristides

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

 They will probably cheer as it happens because he (whoever it is) is their guy.

This applies to pretty much 90% of all people at this point. 

Unity is gone, tribalism rules, and objective knowledge is dead.

[User]

5 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Ya, all those “patriots” will stand around, watch and do nothing. They will probably cheer as it happens because he (whoever it is) is their guy.

That is your problem of perception. Can't help you there if you want to believe a bunch of BS. 

 

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

This applies to pretty much 90% of all people at this point. 

Unity is gone, tribalism rules, and objective knowledge is dead.

This is rich coming from you. Just rich. 

 

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, User said:

That is your problem of perception. Can't help you there if you want to believe a bunch of BS. 

No, it's YOUR PROBLEM of FAILURE to perceive all the authoritarian moves that the current admin is making.

You don't even know that all the safeguards put in place after Nixon's crimes have been OBLITERATED BY Trump.

Like all the IG's were just summarily and ILLEGALLY fired by Trump (without the required Congressional notification).

Trump Firings of Inspectors General Violated Federal Law ...

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Feb 12, 2025 — The IGs allege that Trump failed to notify Congress about the firings at least 30 days before they occurred and did not provide a "substantive, ...

 

Edited Thursday at 12:33 AM by robosmith

[User]

47 minutes ago, robosmith said:

No, it's YOUR PROBLEM of FAILURE to perceive all the authoritarian moves that the current admin is making.

Like what?

48 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You don't even know that all the safeguards put in place after Nixon's crimes have been OBLITERATED BY Trump.

Like all the IG's were just summarily and ILLEGALLY fired by Trump (without the required Congressional notification).

*GASP* Oh no! Not the inspector generals. 

Is this a joke or something? 

How does that make us a fascist dictatorship? That was the assertion here. 

Also, the idea that Congress can tell the executive branch how to do anything with executive branch employees like the IG's is suspect and will ultimately fail. 

Even the Judge on the lawsuit was like... eh. She didn't try to reinstate them because it was pointless, because Trump has the ultimate authority over the executive branch and would just remove them again. The notion that Congress can demand a 30 day notice on the President would almost certainly be found Unconstitutional if this ever gets that far. 

 

[Deluge]

19 hours ago, Aristides said:

MAGATs should remember it is much easier to become a fascist dictatorship than it is to get rid of one.

Which is why the majority voted for Trump and not Harris. 

[BeaverFever]

On 6/9/2025 at 12:20 PM, Deluge said:

You hear democrats spewing shit about it constantly, but their definition of it doesn't hold up. 

According to Conservapedia: 

Fascism is a big government, totalitarian, economic, political, and statist ideology that arose in early twentieth century Europe and came to dominate the social and political systems of Italy under Mussolini. Under typical Marxist socialism, the workers rise up and seize the means of production. Under a fascist system, a socialist regime allows the means of production to remain in private capitalists and oligarchs' hands - provided that they lend support to the socialist regime. Additionally, the socialist regime can extend monopoly protection to the businesses by guaranteeing government contracts, and regulatory practices designed to drive competitors out of business.

"Fascism is an unholy alliance between monopoly capitalist enterprises and government. It is basically a set of economic policy prescriptions, although the word gained somewhat of a twisted meaning during World War II related to racism and prejudice because of its acceptance in Nazi Germany by Adolf Hitler. It stands in contrast to communism, which is outright expropriation of "the means of production", i.e. expropriation of private property, and then the government itself selecting managers and unqualified party bureaucrats to run the businesses. In a fascist regime, large corporations retain their private ownership, their profits, the ability to select their own managers and staff, and even are protected from competition provided that the corporation bends to the government's wishes.

Fascism is statist in nature, relying on a public-private partnerships, such as between Big Tech and the NSA for information control and surveillance; while private businesses provide personal data and political profiling on citizens to government without a search warrant, the government grants crony capitalist protection to the businesses in the form of government contracts, and harassment of competitors through arbitrary regulations and licensing."

Under the two comparisons, I would say the regular meatheads like robomarx, herpes, and beaverabuser would fall under Marxist socialism. But billionaires like Soros, Sanders, Gates and Oprah belong to the fascist system. the reason for the two categories is that the fascist system doesn't have room for the misguided marxists, so they relegate the marxists to a lesser class making them think they are part of the upperclass of socialism. 

Yes, I know this is stupidly complex, but that's how it has to be for left-wing radicals to seize control. 

https://www.conservapedia.com/Fascism

Conservapedia is propaganda nonsense. It was literally created to publish “ alternative facts” by conservatives who can’t accept reality 

 

Fascism is right wing. It is violently and specifically anti-Marxist, anti-socialist and anti-left in all forms. Neither the Nazis nor Mussolini were socialists, they killed and jailed socialists by the thousands while publicly denouncing everything socialism stands for. 
 

 

Edited 22 hours ago by BeaverFever

[CdnFox]

14 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Conservapedia is propaganda nonsense. It was literally created to publish “ alternative facts” by conservatives who can’t accept reality 

 

Fascism is right wing. It is violently and specifically anti-Marxist, anti-socialist and anti-left in all forms. Neither the Nazis nor Mussolini were socialists, they killed and jailed socialists by the thousands while publicly denouncing everything socialism stands for. 
 

 

That is one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen you do

You shoot down the source conserve a pedia as being propaganda and then post some no-name useless twat from the internet who is obviously spouting propaganda and doesn't even touch on the basics of fascism

Why do you bring that crap here when you know you're going to be ridiculed for being an ídiot for doing it? Yeash. 

if you have an issue with the original description posted then explain where it fall short or where it's wrong, etc. 

Fascism is not nor has it ever been a cult of personality. It, like many other proposed political models of the time, is a socialistic Market-based model that seeks to correct the problems of true Marxism while still addressing the class system.

 

The problem is virtually every single socialist model is extremely susceptible to a single leader or small group of people seizing power and holding it corruptly over long periods. Stalin, hitler, Mussolini, Mao, Castro, Maduro, putin. etc etc. 

That is one of the major flaws with any socialistic or socialism model. Fascism turned out to be no different and one guy managed to take power but that has nothing to do with the actual tenants of fascism

[BeaverFever]

47 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That is one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen you do

You shoot down the source conserve a pedia as being propaganda and then post some no-name useless twat from the internet who is obviously spouting propaganda and doesn't even touch on the basics of fascism

Why do you bring that crap here when you know you're going to be ridiculed for being an ídiot for doing it? Yeash. 

if you have an issue with the original description posted then explain where it fall short or where it's wrong, etc. 

 

Lol conservativapdia is a joke   It is literally created to provide conservative-biased information, aka disinformation, it’s right there in the name. And what they said is just false and made up.  Contrary to your claim, I explained exactly what is not correct and then posted a video from a top expert. 
 

Secondly the video is not some “no name useless twat” obviously you didn’t watch the video. He is one of America’s foremost experts on the subject, a professor at Yale university (now at U of Toronto) who has written and has written 5 prominent books on the subject. So to be clear, the “no name twat on the internet” is whoever wrote that conservapedia article.
 

This is that opposite-of-reality thing you do like when you tried to claim that an article titled “Debunked 2000 mules video contains no evidence” was actually trying to tell readers 2000 mules video offered compelling evidence, and when you tried to claim a snopes article title “Yea the Trump shooter was Republican” was try to argue that he was a democrat. 
 

47 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Fascism is not nor has it ever been a cult of personality

That is a ridiculous thing to say I literally laughed out loud when I read that and Im sure anyone else would if you said that to them. Do I really need to explain about Hitler and Mussolini? The official formal greeting of the German military and much of society at large was doe people to literally to say “Heil Hitler” to each other. 
 

47 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It, like many other proposed political models of the time, is a socialistic Market-based model that seeks to correct the problems of true Marxism while still addressing the class system.

Sorry that is gibberish you’ve made up and is simply not true.  Nazis viewed Marx, Marxism, socialism, communism, etc as a cancer eating away at society that must be cut out, not something that is good in principle to improve and perfect.  Nazis celebrated and promoted a class system and social hierarchy, which is what Marxism specifically sought to eliminate. These were central core beliefs of the Nazis that they proclaimed loudly and often. 
 

47 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The problem is virtually every single socialist model is extremely susceptible to a single leader or small group of people seizing power and holding it corruptly over long periods. Stalin, hitler, Mussolini, Mao, Castro, Maduro, putin. etc etc. 

1) Hitler Putin and Mussolini are not socialists

2)Non-socialist models also susceptible: every non-socialist dictatorship in the world for example: most of Africa and the middle east, southeast asia, much of Latin America past and present. 

3)The Scandinavian countries are successful “socialist” democracies but I am half inclined to argue that they’re not really “socialist” countries as most people understand the term, they’re simply capitalist countries with higher levels of taxation, public services and regulation than most. 

 

47 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Fascism turned out to be no different and one guy managed to take power but that has nothing to do with the actual tenants of fascism

I don’t know what this means. Hitler and Mussolini literally wrote the book on fascism although they had many differences between each other ams they wee literally at the opposite end of the political spectrum from communism, socialism etc. 

Any regime left or right can be authoritarian that’s not unique to communism/socialism etc. 

Edited 21 hours ago by BeaverFever