Have Trump and his ICE agents become a terrifying Fascist state?

[User]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

Only if they have solid evidence. And it will be domestic jail, not the ES gulag.

By the time he gets out, that gulag won't be taking any more prisoners from the US.

He was not in the gulag before. 

Even if they don't have the evidence to convict him, he will not stay here. He is an illegal immigrant. 

58 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Nope. A Federal judge has already prohibited his deportation to ES because he fled due to fear of the gangs there at 16 yo.

That is not a permanent order. It is only valid for as long as the threat to his life was valid. 

Based on the evidence we are seeing now, it looks like that was all a lie anyhow and even if it wasn't, that gang threat doesn't credibly exist in El Salvador anymore. 

Give it up man, he is an illegal immigrant and no matter how this plays out, it won't be with him getting to stay here. 

 

[Nationalist]

59 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Nope. A Federal judge has already prohibited his deportation to ES because he fled due to fear of the gangs there at 16 yo.

The fcker is in a gang you dope.

[robosmith]

18 hours ago, Nationalist said:

The fcker is in a gang you dope.

The judge found OTHERWISE, lDIOT.

Sorry, but a judge hearing EVIDENCE overrules YOUR OPINION EVERYTIME.

[Nationalist]

13 minutes ago, robosmith said:

The judge found OTHERWISE, lDIOT.

Sorry, but a judge hearing EVIDENCE overrules YOUR OPINION EVERYTIME.

That's not true. 

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/what-to-watch-for-in-abrego-garcia-s-hearing-on-potential-pretrial-detention

You're wrong again.

Edited Thursday at 09:27 PM by Nationalist

[Legato]

20 minutes ago, robosmith said:

The judge found OTHERWISE, lDIOT.

Sorry, but a judge hearing EVIDENCE overrules YOUR OPINION EVERYTIME.

How long was Otherwise lost?

[robosmith]

5 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

That's not true. 

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/what-to-watch-for-in-abrego-garcia-s-hearing-on-potential-pretrial-detention

You're wrong again.

Your FAILURE to quote proof of your claim from your cite means until you do, YOU'RE the  one who is WRONG.

The FACT is, your cite is evidence that YOU'RE WRONG. LMAO

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If the court takes that step, however, it seems at least possible that federal immigration authorities could remove him from the United States, albeit not to El Salvador, as Abrego Garcia has a withholding of removal that prevents the government from sending him there.

 

2 minutes ago, Legato said:

How long was Otherwise lost?

Not as long as your ILLITERACY.

[Nationalist]

8 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Your FAILURE to quote proof of your claim from your cite means until you do, YOU'RE the  one who is WRONG.

The FACT is, your cite is evidence that YOU'RE WRONG. LMAO

 

Not as long as your ILLITERACY.

The judge has not found otherwise, fool.

[robosmith]

Just now, Nationalist said:

The judge has not found otherwise, fool.

The original judge has found otherwise and your cite says exactly that, lDIOT.

That order is STILL IN FORCE which is why what you cited says that. Duh

[User]

47 minutes ago, robosmith said:

The original judge has found otherwise and your cite says exactly that, lDIOT.

That order is STILL IN FORCE which is why what you cited says that. Duh

Since you are too big of a coward to respond to my comment...

That is not a permanent order. It is only valid for as long as the threat to his life was valid. 

Based on the evidence we are seeing now, it looks like that was all a lie anyhow and even if it wasn't, that gang threat doesn't credibly exist in El Salvador anymore. 

Give it up man, he is an illegal immigrant and no matter how this plays out, it won't be with him getting to stay here. 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

The original judge has found otherwise and your cite says exactly that, lDIOT.

That order is STILL IN FORCE which is why what you cited says that. Duh

Wrong again.

At least you're consistent. 

[robosmith]

6 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Wrong again.

At least you're consistent. 

And you're consistently providing evidence YOU'RE WRONG, and tripling down on it out of IGNORANCE.

I knew you are STUPID, but it seems I overestimated you. LMAO

[User]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

And you're consistently providing evidence YOU'RE WRONG, and tripling down on it out of IGNORANCE.

I knew you are STUPID, but it seems I overestimated you. LMAO

Since you are too big of a coward to respond to my comment...

That is not a permanent order. It is only valid for as long as the threat to his life was valid. 

Based on the evidence we are seeing now, it looks like that was all a lie anyhow and even if it wasn't, that gang threat doesn't credibly exist in El Salvador anymore. 

Give it up man, he is an illegal immigrant and no matter how this plays out, it won't be with him getting to stay here. 

[Aristides]

[User]

27 minutes ago, Aristides said:

This is not the meme thread. 

[athos]

 

Maria Zakharova distributes cookies to LA protesters

 

 

 

 

[Aristides]

7 minutes ago, User said:

This is not the meme thread. 

Aww. I don't tell you what to post. Not sorry if you don't like it.

[blackbird]

Here's another description of the insanity going on right now.

"

Thus it is that Miller and Trump spent the 2024 campaign depicting all migrants as dangerous criminals in order to sell mass deportations to the voters. Now, however, because there aren’t enough dangerous criminal migrants around, two-bit fascist Miller is frantically urging ICE officials to head to the nearest Home Depot and scoop up as many migrants as possible, to make those deportation numbers pleasing to the raging Audience of One.

The absurdity of this is plain. As Josh Marshall notes, by definition this entails targeting day laborers—that is, going after people who want to work and whose labor is in demand, meaning it inherently constitutes the opposite of hunting for dangerous criminals. Worse, Trump and Miller are not just neglecting serious criminal migrants to target more noncriminals; to do so, they’re also actively shifting law enforcement resources away from other serious crimes, from drug trafficking to child exploitation.

The Trump-Miller answer to the political problem here has been to deport as many people as possible, then label them all criminals after the fact. But that’s also not going well. The courts are standing robustly in the way. And polling data shows that while generalized deportations sometimes poll well, majorities do not support removals of longtime residents, noncriminals, and people with jobs. Voters want a law-based, orderly immigration system, but they don’t harbor Trump-Miller’s deep ideological hostility to the mere presence of undocumented immigrants, which MAGA views as itself posing a national emergency.

That brings us to Los Angeles. There is zero indication that Trump’s sending in of the Guard has prevented widespread civil collapse from breaking out, as his rage-tweet claimed. Though any violence is to be condemned, the unrest has been limited to extremely contained localities in the massive land area known as Greater Los Angeles, as David Dayen’s reporting shows.

Indeed, Newsom’s office tells me that according to National Guard officials it’s in touch with, most of the 2,000 National Guard troops originally sent by Trump are not even being deployed right now. “Our understanding is that there are about 1,600 soldiers waiting for orders at local armories,” a Newsom spokesperson emails.

If this is true, then Trump’s claim that his dispatching of troops kept L.A. from burning down looks even more absurd. So does Trump’s decision to dispatch another 2,000 guardsmen. By the way, now that Trump has announced that he’s sending in 700 Marines as well, the L.A. Police Department has declared that this could create “an additional logistical and operational challenge” for those “safeguarding the city.” Trump is making things worse."

Trump’s Fury at Gavin Newsom Backfires—and Reveals His Own Weakness | The New Republic

Edited Friday at 03:03 AM by blackbird

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

they ARE lazy moochers, having the benefits of a country and system they illegally stole access to 

And they don't follow the law when they show up at a courthouse to explain why they're in the country illegally. 

Get your facts straight

[User]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

 

Here's another description of the insanity going on right now.

 

Instead of posting more of your own lies you opt to spam the forum with someone else’s.

 

 

[blackbird]

This information is presented for those who want to know the truth about undocumented migrants in the U.S.  

They are for the most part not criminals as the orange man and MAGA people would have you believe.  There are many liars and deceived fools on these forums who could care less about facts and truth.  We see their endless comments proving their own ignorance about what is really happening.  The U.S. has a system which has evolved over the years and in the system, it is very difficult to acquire citizenship or even a green card or work VISA, especially if you are one of the millions who in desperation came to the U.S. to try find a job and help your family survive or escape criminal gangs and crime.  

"

A snapshot of who they are

Pew Research Center estimates that about 11.3 million people are currently living in the U.S. without authorization, down from a peak of 12.2 million in 2007. More than half come from Mexico, and about 15 percent come from other parts Latin America.

Get the dataChart: The Conversation, CC-BY-ND Source: Pew Research Center

About 8 million of them have jobs, making up 5 percent of the U.S. workforce, figures that have remained more or less steady for the past decade.

Geographically, these unauthorized workers are spread throughout the U.S. but are unsurprisingly most concentrated in border states like California and Texas, where they make up about 9 percent of both states' workforces, while in Nevada, their share is over 10 percent.

Get the dataMap: The Conversation, CC-BY-ND Source: Pew Research Center

Their representation in particular industries is even more pronounced, and the Department of Agriculture estimates that about half of the nation's farmworkers are unauthorized, while 15 percent of those in construction lack papers – more than the share of legal immigrants in either industry. In the service sector, which would include jobs such as fast food and domestic help, the figure is about 9 percent.

Get the dataChart: The Conversation, CC-BY-ND Source: USDA, Pew Research Center

Further studies show that the importance of this population of workers will only grow in coming years. For example, in 2014, unauthorized immigrants made up 24 percent of maids and cleaners, an occupation expected to need 112,000 more workers by 2024. In construction, the number of additional laborers needed is estimated at close to 150,000. And while only 4 percent of personal care and home health aides are undocumented, the U.S. will soon require more than 800,000 people to fill the jobs necessary to take care of retiring baby boomers.

Vital to American farms

Since agriculture is the industry that's most reliant on undocumented workers – and it's my area of expertise and research – let's zoom in on it.

Overall, the agricultural industry in the United States has been on the decline since 1950. Back then, farming was a family business that employed more than 10 million workers, 77 percent of whom were classified as "family." As of 2000 – the latest such data available – only 3 million work on farms, and as noted earlier, an estimated half are undocumented.

 

Increasingly, dairy farms such as those in New York rely on workers from Mexico and Guatemala, many of whom are believed to be undocumented. Currently, there is no visa program for year-round workers on dairy farms, so the precarious status of these workers poses serious concerns for the economic viability of the dairy industry.

In 2017 research conducted by the Cornell Farmworker Program, 30 New York dairy farmers told us they turned to undocumented workers because they were unable to find and keep reliable U.S. citizens to do the jobs. That's in part because farm work can be physically demanding, dirty and socially denigrated work. More importantly, it is one the most dangerous occupations in the U.S.

A study commissioned by the dairy industry suggested that if federal labor and immigration policies reduced the number of foreign-born workers by 50 percent, more than 3,500 dairy farms would close, leading to a big drop in milk production and a spike in prices of about 30 percent. Total elimination of immigrant labor would increase milk prices by 90 percent.   unquote

These U.S. industries can't work without illegal immigrants - CBS News

 

Edited Friday at 04:59 AM by blackbird

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, blackbird said:

This information is presented for those who want to know the truth about undocumented migrants in the U.S.  

They are for the most part not criminals as the orange man and MAGA people would have you believe.  There are many liars and deceived fools on these forums who could care less about facts and truth.  We see their endless comments proving their own ignorance about what is really happening.  The U.S. has a system which has evolved over the years and in the system, it is very difficult to acquire citizenship or even a green card or work VISA, especially if you are one of the millions who in desperation came to the U.S. to try find a job and help your family survive or escape criminal gangs and crime.  

"

A snapshot of who they are

Pew Research Center estimates that about 11.3 million people are currently living in the U.S. without authorization, down from a peak of 12.2 million in 2007. More than half come from Mexico, and about 15 percent come from other parts Latin America.

Get the dataChart: The Conversation, CC-BY-ND Source: Pew Research Center

About 8 million of them have jobs, making up 5 percent of the U.S. workforce, figures that have remained more or less steady for the past decade.

Geographically, these unauthorized workers are spread throughout the U.S. but are unsurprisingly most concentrated in border states like California and Texas, where they make up about 9 percent of both states' workforces, while in Nevada, their share is over 10 percent.

Get the dataMap: The Conversation, CC-BY-ND Source: Pew Research Center

Their representation in particular industries is even more pronounced, and the Department of Agriculture estimates that about half of the nation's farmworkers are unauthorized, while 15 percent of those in construction lack papers – more than the share of legal immigrants in either industry. In the service sector, which would include jobs such as fast food and domestic help, the figure is about 9 percent.

Get the dataChart: The Conversation, CC-BY-ND Source: USDA, Pew Research Center

Further studies show that the importance of this population of workers will only grow in coming years. For example, in 2014, unauthorized immigrants made up 24 percent of maids and cleaners, an occupation expected to need 112,000 more workers by 2024. In construction, the number of additional laborers needed is estimated at close to 150,000. And while only 4 percent of personal care and home health aides are undocumented, the U.S. will soon require more than 800,000 people to fill the jobs necessary to take care of retiring baby boomers.

Vital to American farms

Since agriculture is the industry that's most reliant on undocumented workers – and it's my area of expertise and research – let's zoom in on it.

Overall, the agricultural industry in the United States has been on the decline since 1950. Back then, farming was a family business that employed more than 10 million workers, 77 percent of whom were classified as "family." As of 2000 – the latest such data available – only 3 million work on farms, and as noted earlier, an estimated half are undocumented.

 

Increasingly, dairy farms such as those in New York rely on workers from Mexico and Guatemala, many of whom are believed to be undocumented. Currently, there is no visa program for year-round workers on dairy farms, so the precarious status of these workers poses serious concerns for the economic viability of the dairy industry.

In 2017 research conducted by the Cornell Farmworker Program, 30 New York dairy farmers told us they turned to undocumented workers because they were unable to find and keep reliable U.S. citizens to do the jobs. That's in part because farm work can be physically demanding, dirty and socially denigrated work. More importantly, it is one the most dangerous occupations in the U.S.

A study commissioned by the dairy industry suggested that if federal labor and immigration policies reduced the number of foreign-born workers by 50 percent, more than 3,500 dairy farms would close, leading to a big drop in milk production and a spike in prices of about 30 percent. Total elimination of immigrant labor would increase milk prices by 90 percent.   unquote

These U.S. industries can't work without illegal immigrants - CBS News

 

And?

[Aristides]

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And?

That’s all you got?

[User]

8 hours ago, blackbird said:

This information is presented for those who want to know the truth about undocumented migrants in the U.S.  

They are for the most part not criminals as the orange man and MAGA people would have you believe.  There are many liars and deceived fools on these forums who could care less about facts and truth.  We see their endless comments proving their own ignorance about what is really happening.  The U.S. has a system which has evolved over the years and in the system, it is very difficult to acquire citizenship or even a green card or work VISA, especially if you are one of the millions who in desperation came to the U.S. to try find a job and help your family survive or escape criminal gangs and crime.  

Speaking of truth, are you ever going to apologize and own up to your outright blatant lies yesterday?

Also, being here ILLEGALLY is a crime, so saying they are not criminals is not true. 

 

15 minutes ago, Aristides said:

That’s all you got?

If you are itching to engage, feel free to come back to any of the many numerous comments and questions you have run away from earlier this week. 

[Aristides]

15 minutes ago, User said:

Speaking of truth, are you ever going to apologize and own up to your outright blatant lies yesterday?

Also, being here ILLEGALLY is a crime, so saying they are not criminals is not true. 

 

If you are itching to engage, feel free to come back to any of the many numerous comments and questions you have run away from earlier this week. 

Quote

In 2017 research conducted by the Cornell Farmworker Program, 30 New York dairy farmers told us they turned to undocumented workers because they were unable to find and keep reliable U.S. citizens to do the jobs. That's in part because farm work can be physically demanding, dirty and socially denigrated work. More importantly, it is one the most dangerous occupations in the U.S.

A study commissioned by the dairy industry suggested that if federal labor and immigration policies reduced the number of foreign-born workers by 50 percent, more than 3,500 dairy farms would close, leading to a big drop in milk production and a spike in prices of about 30 percent. Total elimination of immigrant labor would increase milk prices by 90 percent.   unquote

Engage that. The US has almost full employment now. 

Trump wants to kick the door down to US dairy exports to Canada on the grounds that we compete unfairly. What a joke. 

I would have had trouble believing that if the study hadn't been commissioned by the US dairy industry itself.

You will believe whatever comes out of Trump's ass.

 

Edited Friday at 01:53 PM by Aristides

[User]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Engage that. The US has almost full employment now. 

Trump wants to kick the door down to US dairy exports to Canada on the grounds that we compete unfairly. What a joke. 

I would have had trouble believing that if the study hadn't been commissioned by the US dairy industry itself.

You will believe whatever comes out of Trump's ass.

You don't compete at all in Canada with dairy products; that was the point. No joke there. 

What exactly is it you think I am believing here?

You assured us that you do support immigration laws and deportations of those here illegally. Right?

Why do you keep running from this question?