Liberal senator is pushing new bill S-222 to reduce voting age to 16.

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I realize operating a vehicle is not the same as voting, but arguably the consequences can be no less dire.

I think of the boneheaded conversations and choices of my friends and myself in high school — and we were among the more successful academically and socially. It’s simply not worth rolling the dice that most kids know what’s best for themselves or the country.

You could based the same reasoning on boneheaded nonsense people around here incorporate into their discussions.

The idea of a basic issues comprehension test for all voters comes to mind and I suspect many seniors would fail where teens succeed.

What about the consequences of letting senile people vote?

[herbie]

22 hours ago, I am Groot said:

If you're telling me you don't understand logic, I agree that would be entirely consistent with your posting history.

No, I'm telling you that you and all your braindead cronies have absolutely no f*cking idea of what logic is or how the f*ck it works.

On 6/23/2025 at 12:51 PM, WestCanMan said:

They think that leftist social studies teachers will be able to manipulate them all into voting LPOC.

based on a self proclaimed myth they'll vote against this lunatic's choice

51 minutes ago, Venandi said:

It might be more instructive to look at what a 16 year old can't do... and why that is.

Base your decision on what they can't legally do? Can't get more illogical.

Look at this damn forum and you'll see people with zero knowledge of how the political system works, absolutely backwards concepts of political philosophies, that can't differentiate between city, province or federal responsibilities and are insisting 16 yr olds are not qualified to vote.

The overwhelming majority of 16-17s will not vote even if given the opportunity. The ones that would vote only proves their interest and determination to get involved with the process.

[I am Groot]

4 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Dumb comment....  a 16 year can drive a car, get a job, leave home without parental permission, consent to sexual activity (with someone 14 or older), get married with parental consent or a court order, apply for a passport, and receive medical treatment without parental consent. They can also be held responsible for crimes.  

Politics are so complicated that it's beyond a 16 year olds ability to understand who they believe would be the best leader?  Not likely.....  

You need parental consent or a court order to get married or apply for a passport because you're too dumb to make those decisions yourself. Medical decisions are made by doctors, and there are limited cases where anyone under 18 can give the go-ahead without parental consent. They are not held fully responsible for crimes, which is why they're charged as juveniles and go to juvenile courts.

This is inane. Biological fact says our brains aren't fully developed at 16.

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, User said:

Those are not valid reasons; that is just a list of other things a 16-year-old can do. 

 

And they're not even correct.

[I am Groot]

18 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You could based the same reasoning on boneheaded nonsense people around here incorporate into their discussions.

The idea of a basic issues comprehension test for all voters comes to mind and I suspect many seniors would fail where teens succeed.

What about the consequences of letting senile people vote?

I've been suggesting a test for potential voters for literally decades. Test their knowledge about the political parties and about the nation's finances and laws. If you don't pass, you don't vote.

 

8 minutes ago, herbie said:

No, I'm telling you that you and all your braindead cronies have absolutely no f*cking idea of what logic is or how the f*ck it works

Sure I do. Someone suggests having 16 year olds vote. I point out that human brain development isn't completely until the early twenties and that the prefrontal cortex, responsible for decision making, is the last to fully develop. That is logic. 

All you're doing is furthering my belief that you don't understand logic. 

[User]

5 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Those other things I list are why we treat them as adults by letting them drive, get a job, get married, travel internationally and be held for a criminal offence, but voting is something that requires far more intellectual aptitude?  Hardly....

So you have no valid reasons to the contrary other than "they are not considered to be adults" and have tapped out.  That's fine....  

Those other things are not "adult" activities... you are just talking in circles. 

You have yet to offer any actual argument. 

 

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I'm not arguing anything....  I'm simply stating the facts of what a 16 year old can legally do.

Not sure about your household but when our children were 16 years old driving and doing what 16 year olds do, yes we treated them as adults. We also had a lot more anxiety with driving than we would have with them voting....which wouldn't have even registered on the concern scale.

Yes, I commented that 21 in the US was for drinking.  

 

well considering how you turned out i'd say we should shy away from whatever parental techniques were used around you  

And if 16, why not 14?  Why not 12?  Explain why they shouldn't be voting. 

frankly based on actual medical facts and observations 18 is the BARE minimum and a little questionable already, 

[LinkSoul60]

5 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

But you’re not recognizing the importance of learning and experience in the formation of good judgment and wisdom.  You may have worked exceptionally hard to inculcate good citizenship values in your kids, and maybe your kids were outlier 16 year olds who demonstrated the maturity to decide who should lead their country, province, and municipality, but the actuaries who write auto insurance policies look at factual statistics and costs related to accidents for multiple age groups.  They keep young drivers on a short leash (through high insurance costs) because the numbers don’t lie.  I realize operating a vehicle is not the same as voting, but arguably the consequences can be no less dire.

I think of the boneheaded conversations and choices of my friends and myself in high school — and we were among the more successful academically and socially. It’s simply not worth rolling the dice that most kids know what’s best for themselves or the country.

I used to joke that a good classroom teacher doesn’t run the class as a democracy but a benign dictatorship.  Of course, because the kids need mentoring, knowledge and wisdom before they can be unleashed on the workforce. Don’t try to pretend that the apprentice is just as capable as the master.  They’ll become masters in time.

Lol…. well said!  Keep in mind I’m past that so maybe conveniently forgetting the correcting of views or other over the years….   I think I’m recognizing those foundational skills though.  You’d hope the learning acquired has built the traits and good judgement that parents have tried to instill for 16 years prior to the responsibilities we empower them with at that age (education, driving, work, sports, etc).  

Everything you’ve said is more than valid.  I just think that age group is capable enough to have a political voice....if they chose.  Would have been the last thing on my mind at that age but if for whatever the reason someone is interested in civics, that age is more than capable of doing their due diligence and forming their own opinions....which I'd have to think would be a real small percentage of that age group. You can drive and pay income tax at 16, why not vote... 

[LinkSoul60]

5 hours ago, I am Groot said:

You need parental consent or a court order to get married or apply for a passport because you're too dumb to make those decisions yourself. Medical decisions are made by doctors, and there are limited cases where anyone under 18 can give the go-ahead without parental consent. They are not held fully responsible for crimes, which is why they're charged as juveniles and go to juvenile courts.

This is inane. Biological fact says our brains aren't fully developed at 16.

Biologically our brains don't develop to maturity until the mid twenties......say 25.  Should age be moved to then?  A mentally disabled person can vote but a fully capable 16 year old who is interested in civics can't?

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, User said:

Those other things are not "adult" activities... you are just talking in circles. 

You have yet to offer any actual argument. 

 

Driving a vehicle or paying income tax on earnings are not "adult" activities?

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

well considering how you turned out i'd say we should shy away from whatever parental techniques were used around you  

And if 16, why not 14?  Why not 12?  Explain why they shouldn't be voting. 

frankly based on actual medical facts and observations 18 is the BARE minimum and a little questionable already, 

If it was 12 the next election would be big for you....could be your first.   

Hate to ask but....explain "actual medical facts and observations" and "a little questionable already".  Should be interesting....

I already called you a f*cking m0r0n didn't I?

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

If it was 12 the next election would be big for you....could be your first.   

I've noticed that when you are confronted by an intelligent argument and you can't actually form one yourself you fall back on this kind of stupidity. I guess it's kind of a defense mechanism for you, Being mentally inferior and all

8 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Hate to ask but....explain "actual medical facts and observations

Why, you wouldn't even answer my question which was even more simple. Why not 12, why not 14

It takes a special kind of loser to fail to answer a simple question like that he had demand of others that they answer your questions.

Besides which the research would probably just confuse you, a number of the words have more than two syllables  

[WestCanMan]

Left4rds sure are all over the map when it comes to the age when people have achieved the requisite amount of knowledge and wisdom to make informed decisions....

"8-yr-olds possess the wisdom to decide on sex change procedures that will render them incapable of procreating!"

"20-yr-old university students lack the wisdom to understand how loans work!!!"

"Adults should be forced to take dangerous injections that they don't need, because they are too stupid to weigh the risks themselves and bodily autonomy isn't really a thing, but a 17-yr-old can abort a healthy baby 2 weeks before its due date because bodily autonomy is the most important human right we have!!!"

"16-yr-olds should be allowed to vote, because tik-tok gives them all the information they need!!!"

 

I'm 100% certain that anyone who votes leftard should just be stripped of their rights to make any decisions for themselves and their children should be taken away. 

[CdnFox]

34 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Left4rds sure are all over the map when it comes to the age when people have achieved the requisite amount of knowledge and wisdom to make informed decisions....

"8-yr-olds possess the wisdom to decide on sex change procedures that will render them incapable of procreating!"

"20-yr-old university students lack the wisdom to understand how loans work!!!"

"Adults should be forced to take dangerous injections that they don't need, because they are too stupid to weigh the risks themselves and bodily autonomy isn't really a thing, but a 17-yr-old can abort a healthy baby 2 weeks before its due date because bodily autonomy is the most important human right we have!!!"

"16-yr-olds should be allowed to vote, because tik-tok gives them all the information they need!!!"

 

I'm 100% certain that anyone who votes leftard should just be stripped of their rights to make any decisions for themselves and their children should be taken away. 

It does boggle the mind  

And these are the people that frequently scream follow the science. The science is pretty overwhelming and if they had taken even 2 seconds to look into it they would have found numerous studies that point very strongly to the age of maturity being about 18 when it comes to mental development. Like this one

Cognitive Maturity: 18 is the Threshold of Cognitive Adulthood - Neuroscience News

Cognitive maturity measures their executive function skills. That's exactly what we're talking about here.

And if they cared about the subject and didn't care more about trying to find a way to exploit kids to vote for their side while they're in school where teachers can get their hands on them then they would have found this report and dozens of others like it in 2 seconds and realize they were wrong.

But of course the science doesn't matter to them when it doesn't support them. And it's hard to get your head around the level of hypocrisy these people have

 

[Venandi]

12 hours ago, herbie said:

Base your decision on what they can't legally do? Can't get more illogical.

There's a list of things they can't do (by regulation) and the reason behind it is because they are deemed to lack a sufficient level of maturity at the age of 16. 

So yes.... it certainly is logical to examine / discuss whether that list and the individual items on it are still valid or not before modifying one or more of them. You're essentially arguing that it's now OK to eliminate one of those restrictions and your only response to people who question your logic is to accuse them of being illogical. 

Read this a couple of times and then take a nap... once refreshed you may be able to discern who the illogical one is:

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

"8-yr-olds possess the wisdom to decide on sex change procedures that will render them incapable of procreating!"

"20-yr-old university students lack the wisdom to understand how loans work!!!"

"Adults should be forced to take dangerous injections that they don't need, because they are too stupid to weigh the risks themselves and bodily autonomy isn't really a thing, but a 17-yr-old can abort a healthy baby 2 weeks before its due date because bodily autonomy is the most important human right we have!!!"

"16-yr-olds should be allowed to vote, because tik-tok gives them all the information they need!!!"

 

 

Edited June 25, 2025 by Venandi

[User]

10 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Driving a vehicle or paying income tax on earnings are not "adult" activities?

No. "adults" go to the bathroom, eat at McDonalds, and do a million things... that doesn't make anything and everything thus an "adult" activity. 

Should I make a Venn diagram for you?

You are still avoiding the point anyhow, you have yet to make any kind of argument here. All you have done is list of other things adults do. 

 

[Nationalist]

We were all teens. Some of us still are i  suspect.

Anyone who thinks teens should vote is either stupid, or does so thinking it will boost Liberal votes.

[LinkSoul60]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I've noticed that when you are confronted by an intelligent argument and you can't actually form one yourself you fall back on this kind of stupidity. I guess it's kind of a defense mechanism for you, Being mentally inferior and all

Why, you wouldn't even answer my question which was even more simple. Why not 12, why not 14

It takes a special kind of loser to fail to answer a simple question like that he had demand of others that they answer your questions.

Besides which the research would probably just confuse you, a number of the words have more than two syllables  

Your idiocy is unparalleled....  Try reading the multiple answers I've given.  Should you disagree....couldn't care less.

How do I answer an asinine question of why not 12 or 14....  Maybe because that age is a child?

So....  no answer to my question huh.  Didn't think so....  carry on sparky 😂

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, User said:

No. "adults" go to the bathroom, eat at McDonalds, and do a million things... that doesn't make anything and everything thus an "adult" activity. 

Should I make a Venn diagram for you?

You are still avoiding the point anyhow, you have yet to make any kind of argument here. All you have done is list of other things adults do. 

 

Whether you agree or not, are you really that intellectually challenged where you can't comprehend what I've said multiple times?

[User]

11 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

How do I answer an asinine question of why not 12 or 14....  Maybe because that age is a child?

16 is a child. 

 

[User]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

We were all teens. Some of us still are i  suspect.

Anyone who thinks teens should vote is either stupid, or does so thinking it will boost Liberal votes.

This is exactly what it is. K-12 education is dominated by left wing educators influencing children and they are historically ignorant of the real world because they are children. Their entire life is controlled and provided for by adults. 

This is why the left wants children to vote, for the same reason war lords in Africa have children in their armies and China had children ratting out political dissidents to be killed. 

They are easily influenced, immature, and don't know much about how the real world works yet. 

In otherwords, they are the ideal leftist voters. 

[User]

29 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Whether you agree or not, are you really that intellectually challenged where you can't comprehend what I've said multiple times?

No where did I express an inability to comprehend what you have said. I have clearly pointed out that all you have done is offer a list of other things adults do. 

Again, that is not an actual argument for why you think 16-year-olds should be able to vote. 

 

[LinkSoul60]

40 minutes ago, User said:

No where did I express an inability to comprehend what you have said. I have clearly pointed out that all you have done is offer a list of other things adults do. 

Again, that is not an actual argument for why you think 16-year-olds should be able to vote. 

 

Follow me on this....it's somewhat complicated.  If a 16 year is empowered to do adult things then why not be able to vote?

It's my opinion and you don't agree.  So be it....  Move on 👉

[User]

4 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Follow me on this....it's somewhat complicated.  If a 16 year is empowered to do adult things then why not be able to vote?

It's my opinion and you don't agree.  So be it....  Move on 👉

That is a question. Not an argument for your position. 

If you are unable to actually articulate a real argument here, perhaps you should move on, or be prepared to be criticized. 

This is a public forum, not your diary. Expect responses. 

 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, User said:

16 is a child.

Omar Khadr was an adult when he was 15.

Just sayin'.