PM Carney's chant of stop the war in Gaza is saying let Hamas carry on its attacks on Israel

[User]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No, you're just pretending to be stupid so you don't have to address things that are to painful for you to face.

It's called running away.

Nope, you are running away from the question. You brought up reconciliation. So who is it Israel is supposed to be reconciling here with? 

 

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, User said:

So who is it Israel is supposed to be reconciling here with? 

Martians for all anyone would know from talking to you.

You can't even bring yourself to say the word Palestinian - it's like watching Jim Carrey trying to say the pen is red.

[User]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Martians for all anyone would know from talking to you.

You can't even bring yourself to say the word Palestinian - it's like watching Jim Carrey trying to say the pen is red.

So... are you now trying to claim it was not Hamas, but just general Palestinians that are guilty for October 7th?

HAMAS is the one that attacked on October 7th and raped, murdered, killed famalies in their homes, and took hostages. That still has hostages. 

So who is it you are sitting here saying Israel is supposed to reconcile with?

 

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, User said:

So... are you now trying to claim...

No.

[User]

12 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No.

So why did you change the subject to Palestinians then?

What about the rest:

HAMAS is the one that attacked on October 7th and raped, murdered, killed famalies in their homes, and took hostages. That still has hostages. 

So who is it you are sitting here saying Israel is supposed to reconcile with?

[eyeball]

29 minutes ago, User said:

So why did you change the subject to Palestinians then?

I'm not changing the subject.

31 minutes ago, User said:

So who is it you are sitting here saying Israel is supposed to reconcile with?

Acknowledge I said. Clearly it won't be Hamas meaning Israel will have to decide.

Acknowledgement first then reconciliation. There's no other way other than assimilation, extermination or...perhaps the descendants of European Jewish refugees should consider a land-claim in Europe.

[User]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'm not changing the subject.

The subject was Hamas. 

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Acknowledge I said. Clearly it won't be Hamas meaning Israel will have to decide.

Acknowledgement first then reconciliation. There's no other way other than assimilation, extermination or...perhaps the descendants of European Jewish refugees should consider a land-claim in Europe.

Acknowledge what? 

What will Israel have to decide?

You offer nothing but vaguery and keep obfuscating because at the end of the day, you support Hamas and you support their actions on October 7th. 

[herbie]

3 hours ago, User said:

This is what happens when you jump in on page 6 and ignore everything else. Go back and read it if you really want to know how we got here. 

No this happens when ppl like you cannot respond to the subject at hand and ALWAYS deflect the conversation to be about something else.
You're trying to imply and further the deception that Carney's criticism of Israeli policy is antisemitic. 

[User]

9 minutes ago, herbie said:

No this happens when ppl like you cannot respond to the subject at hand and ALWAYS deflect the conversation to be about something else.
You're trying to imply and further the deception that Carney's criticism of Israeli policy is antisemitic. 

Show me where I deflected. I have responded to what others have been posting here. 

 

[eyeball]

49 minutes ago, User said:

The subject was Hamas. 

You're obsessed.

49 minutes ago, User said:

Acknowledge what? 

What will Israel have to decide?

Fùck off, you know perfectly well.

50 minutes ago, User said:

You offer nothing but vaguery and keep obfuscating because at the end of the day, you support Hamas and you support their actions on October 7th. 

LMAO!

[User]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Fùck off, you know perfectly well.

I just keep washing off whatever mud you keep trying to throw at the wall. After while, this is what you do. You finally just give up and go into meltdown mode. 

[eyeball]

25 minutes ago, User said:

I just keep washing off whatever mud you keep trying to throw at the wall. After while, this is what you do. You finally just give up and go into meltdown mode. 

Your sealioning can get tiresome alright.

My point stands, you know perfectly well the answer to your question. Now you just need to acknowledge it.

[User]

8 hours ago, eyeball said:

Your sealioning can get tiresome alright.

My point stands, you know perfectly well the answer to your question. Now you just need to acknowledge it.

You can't even use terminology correctly. 

When you keep moving the goal posts using vague language, it is not sealioning on my part to ask you to explain yourself. 

You have no point, I have gotten you down to cursing because you can't defend your inane positions here.

[Moonbox]

2 hours ago, User said:

When you keep moving the goal posts using vague language, it is not sealioning on my part to ask you to explain yourself. 

What you do is far more dumber than sealioning.  Not only do you interpret people's "vague language" in the stupidest way possible, you won't even accept the clarification or explanation. 

Instead, you start screeching about dishonesty and goal-post shifting, because at the end of the day, you're not capable of debating anyone based on what they're saying.  You'll only debate what you want them to be saying.  You're not the only joker on this forum that does it, but you're by far the most consistent.  👍

Edited Tuesday at 04:15 PM by Moonbox

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, User said:

When you keep moving the goal posts using vague language,

There's nothing the least bit vague about it.

Sealioning is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity, and feigning ignorance of the subject matter.

Either take this seriously or fùck off.

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

What you do is far more dumber than sealioning.  Not only do you interpret people's "vague language" in the stupidest way possible, you won't even accept the clarification or explanation. 

Instead, you start screeching about dishonesty and goal-post shifting, because at the end of the day, you're not capable of debating anyone based on what they're saying.  You'll only debate what you want them to be saying.  You're not the only joker on this forum that does it, but you're by far the most consistent.  👍

Better than what you do, jump in and attack people trying to boost your battered ego after looking stupid regularly 

If the person doesn't like his interpretation then they are welcome to correct him, but as usual eyeball doesn't want to do that because he knows he's full of shit, @User gave him plenty of chances to clarify and he's dancing around the issue. 

ANd because YOU frequently get exposed for YOUR dishonesty you freak out and feel the need to attack. 

Have you EVER contributed ANYTHING to this forum?  Actually made a real point that you weren't making up on the fly? Started a thread? Made an intelligent comment? Got math right?

When you're less of a complete twat you can comment on other people. Crawl back under your rock you troll 

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

There's nothing the least bit vague about it.

Sealioning is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity, and feigning ignorance of the subject matter.

Either take this seriously or fùck off.

Asking you to clarify what you meant isn't sealioning.  Sorry kiddo. You're just having trouble because you really do support the terrorists but you don't want to admit that, but you still want to support them. Otherwise it'd be an easy answer. 

[WestCanMan]

12 hours ago, herbie said:

No this happens when ppl like you cannot respond to the subject at hand and ALWAYS deflect the conversation to be about something else.
You're trying to imply and further the deception that Carney's criticism of Israeli policy is antisemitic. 

Put whatever name you want on it, he's not in favour of Israel defending themselves. He wants them to leave the tunnels intact and get his troops out of Gaza so that the people of Gaza can:

1. start using their billions in aid to build hospitals and schools instead of rockets, or
2. re-arm for another terrorist attack/missile barrage against Israel.

Whaddya think, herbie? Is this gonna be the 23rd time lucky? Are the Gazans finally done chasing those Jewish roadrunners with knives and guns? 

 

Re: Snakeyes, here's one of his lies about Gaza:

• Liberal Leader Mark Carney clarified a remark he made on Tuesday suggesting he agreed with the allegation that Israel's military action in Gaza qualifies as a genocide.

  While at a rally in Calgary, someone in the crowd — who did not appear on camera — shouted: "Mr. Carney, there's a genocide in Palestine!" as the Liberal leader was getting settled on the stage. 

  Carney replied: "I'm aware. That's why we have an arms embargo," before Liberal supporters drowned out the questioner by chanting the Liberal leader's name.

• Asked the following day to provide clarity on his response, Carney said he did not hear the word "genocide" and was just "stating a fact in terms of the arms restrictions."

Ok, so he didn't hear the word genocide.... Then all he heard was "Mr. Carney, there's a genocide in Palestine!", and his reply to that was: "I'm aware. That's why we have an arms embargo..."

Isn't his reply a non-sequitur if he didn't hear the word genocide? What word did he think he heard when he replied with "that's why we have an arms embargo"?

"Mr. Carney, there's a problem in Palestine!" -> arms embargo

geriatric -> arms embargo

gendarmerie -> arms embargo

purple rhinoceros -> arms embargo

What word did Carney think that he heard where the appropriate reply was... -> arms embargo?

Don't even bother wasting your time trying to defend him, he simply lied. He heard genocide and he went along with that criticism.

He thinks that Gaza should be re-arming right now. He's supporting an eventual genocide against Israelis which will make the war in Gaza look like a kindergarten frolic.

Edited Tuesday at 04:39 PM by WestCanMan

[User]

32 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

What you do is far more dumber than sealioning.  Not only do you interpret people's "vague language" in the stupidest way possible, you won't even accept the clarification or explanation. 

Instead, you start screeching about dishonesty and goal-post shifting, because at the end of the day, you're not capable of debating anyone based on what they're saying.  You'll only debate what you want them to be saying.  You're not the only joker on this forum that does it, but you're by far the most consistent.  👍

Yeah, lets pretend like Eyeball and I have never had any other discussions on this subject other than this one... 

 

24 minutes ago, eyeball said:

There's nothing the least bit vague about it.

Sealioning is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity, and feigning ignorance of the subject matter.

Either take this seriously or fùck off.

Just like I said... I was not asking you for evidence, I was asking you to explain your own posts that you just moved the goalposts on. 

 

[eyeball]

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Asking you to clarify what you meant isn't sealioning. 

It is when it's been made clear many times.

30 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You're just having trouble because you really do support the terrorists but you don't want to admit that, but you still want to support them. Otherwise it'd be an easy answer. 

I've made it abundantly clear I don't support Likud any more than I support Hamas.

I support ordinary Israelis and Palestinians - their secular lefties in particular.

[User]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

It is when it's been made clear many times.

No, it has not been. You changed your argument. You first claimed there had to be reconciliation. After I repeatedly asked you who Israel was supposed to reconcile with, you claimed the Palestinians... when pressed on what you meant there when it was Hamas they were at war with, you changed the subject to acknowledgement... 

I am asking for your meaning of acknowledgment. That is not Sealioning, it is me asking you to explain yourself. 

These are the dumb stupid and dishonest games you play. 

 

 

[blackbird]

13 hours ago, eyeball said:

Acknowledgement first then reconciliation. There's no other way other than assimilation, extermination or...perhaps the descendants of European Jewish refugees should consider a land-claim in Europe.

What would be the basis of a land claim in Europe?  That is pure fiction.  Something you pulled out of nowhere.

The Jews have a historic claim to their land in Israel going back thousands of years.

God actually gave them the land of Israel several thousand years ago to be theirs in perpetuity.

"

1  And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. {perfect: or, upright, or, sincere} 2  And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly. 3  And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying, 

4  As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. {many…: Heb. multitude of nations} 5  Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee. {Abraham: that is, Father of a great multitude} 6  And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. 

7  And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. 8  And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; "

Genesis 17: 1-8 KJV

 

Edited Tuesday at 05:31 PM by blackbird

[eyeball]

25 minutes ago, User said:

Yeah, lets pretend like Eyeball and I have never had any other discussions on this subject other than this one... 

It's the same discussion about the same subject that's been going on for months - just like the conflict in the ME is the same one that's been going on for nearly 100 years.

29 minutes ago, User said:

Just like I said... I was not asking you for evidence, I was asking you to explain your own posts that you just moved the goalposts on. 

The only goalpost that moved is the notion history started on Oct 7. I didn't move it.

The events of that day may have moved you but they didn't move me. It's just another dreadful regrettable day in a place that's been regrettably dreadful for decades and decades.

Are you actually pretending you haven't been discussing this for decades elsewhere with other people before joining this forum? Are you seriously suggesting you can't keep up in this discussion without pretending it's a brand new subject that just popped up in your consciousness?

LMAO...get the fùck out of here and stop wasting everyone's time.

[User]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

The only goalpost that moved is the notion history started on Oct 7. I didn't move it.

The history of this current conflict started that day.

That is not the only goalpost that moved as I already called you out on what you did here. 

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The events of that day may have moved you but they didn't move me.

LOL. Then you wonder why I say you support Hamas and don't care what they did that day. Well, it doesn't matter how you feel, what matters are the facts for how it impacted the innocent women, children, and famalies and how Israel doesn't have to live with that threat any longer and is now at war to end the threat from Hamas doing that again. 

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Are you actually pretending you haven't been discussing this for decades elsewhere with other people before joining this forum? Are you seriously suggesting you can't keep up in this discussion without pretending it's a brand new subject that just popped up in your consciousness?

Nope. Nope. 

Any other stupid questions not based on anything I said?

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

LMAO...get the fùck out of here and stop wasting everyone's time.

Look in the mirror to see who is wasting everyone's time here. 

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

What would be the basis of a land claim in Europe? That is pure fiction. Something you pulled out of nowhere.

The Jews have a historic claim to their land in Israel going back thousands of years.

God actually gave them the land of Israel several thousand years ago to be theirs in perpet17uity.

...fiction you say? LMAO!

European Jews should have been armed to the teeth and given a good chunk of Europe as a homeland in reparation for what was done to them.

Making them all go to the ME instead was probably the biggest geopolitical disaster since not following General Patton's advice. Overthrowing Mossadeg is probably up there too though.

[blackbird]

13 hours ago, eyeball said:

Acknowledgement first then reconciliation.

I assume you mean Israel should acknowledge Palestinians own half of Israel and you think that giving them a large part of Israel would solve the problem, correct?

This shows you don't understand the very basic things about the conflict. 

1.  The land of Israel belongs totally to Israel and that is a fact historically and biblically.

2.  The Palestinians are mostly Muslims and their belief is that Israel has no right to exist and must be destroyed completely.  You need to study the beliefs of Islam and the history of the spread of Islam in the middle east.  It was spread by the sword.  That's why it is called, with tongue in cheek, the "religion of peace".

 3.  Cutting Israel into pieces and giving a large part to the Muslims who don't believe Israel has a right to exist requires very twisted reasoning.  All the countries surrounding Israel are in fact Islamic countries and do not accept Israel's right to exist.  So Israel is a tiny democratic country on a tiny piece of land in a sea of hostile Muslims.

Therefore your whole way of thinking is irrational and meaningless.

Edited Tuesday at 05:50 PM by blackbird