eyeball Posted June 10 Report Posted June 10 45 minutes ago, CdnFox said: The grievances are irrelevant... You can't even bring yourself to say their grievances can you? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted June 10 Report Posted June 10 5 minutes ago, eyeball said: An unwillingness to submit to oppression, subjugation and dispossession. And that justifies killing people? You're definition is so vague as to be meaningless and you're doing that on purpose because you want to continue to use it as an excuse for the violence that Gaza chose to initiate but you don't want to admit that that's why you are sticking with it Quote Of course it was and it was as atrocious as oppression, subjugation and dispossession. Well first off no it wasn't. They were trying to win political power and money at the UN The second off there you go, you have just admitted that you absolutely condone the attack based on it being resistance which you claim every human being has a right to In the end you can only dance for so long before you're forced to admit the truth of your beliefs. As everyone around here has said from the beginning you are supporting the terrorists and that's not okay Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted June 10 Report Posted June 10 Just now, CdnFox said: And that justifies killing people? If it never stops and its killing your people it's inevitable. Does responding to inevitability justify bombing or starving children? While we're on the topic what do you think the inevitable consequences of that will be? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted June 10 Report Posted June 10 1 minute ago, eyeball said: If it never stops and its killing your people it's inevitable. So you support the terrorists. Probably least we got there in the end. But if you are going to agree that they have the right to kill people without just cause Then you'll have to accept that the Israelis have the same right and that their exercising it legitimately as well. Tough luck for your Palestinian Buddies Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted June 10 Report Posted June 10 12 minutes ago, CdnFox said: In the end you can only dance for so long before you're forced to admit the truth of your beliefs. As everyone around here has said from the beginning you are supporting the terrorists and that's not okay I support resistance and that's just fine. You seem to think resisting oppression is a crime - that oppression is actually a noble thing to do to people. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Gaétan Posted June 10 Report Posted June 10 It's a waste of time to respond to a religious fanatic or to agents. Quote
eyeball Posted June 10 Report Posted June 10 2 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Probably least we got there in the end. But if you are going to agree that they have the right to kill people without just cause. Everyone has the right to defend themselves. 3 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Then you'll have to accept that the Israelis have the same right and that their exercising it legitimately as well. Israelis have the same right to defend themselves that all humans have, what they don't have is the right to oppress, subjugate or dispossess other human beings of their homes and territory. That is not a right that is recognized anywhere on the planet. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
User Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 45 minutes ago, eyeball said: Of course it was and it was as atrocious as oppression, subjugation and dispossession. It is settled. You supported Hamas and what they did on October 7th. Quote
eyeball Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 1 hour ago, User said: It is settled. You supported Hamas and what they did on October 7th. The only thing that's been settled is that you're full of shit. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
User Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 9 minutes ago, eyeball said: The only thing that's been settled is that you're full of shit. Nope. You had your chance. You keep defending Palestinian "resistance" when talking about October 7th and refuse to define what specifically is meant by resistance. Quote
eyeball Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 38 minutes ago, User said: Nope. You had your chance. You keep defending Palestinian "resistance" when talking about October 7th I always defend Palestinian resistance to Israeli oppression dispossession and subjugation, all the time and always will. 40 minutes ago, User said: and refuse to define what specifically is meant by resistance. I repeat, the refusal to submit. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
User Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 1 minute ago, eyeball said: I repeat, the refusal to submit. Just own it. You keep cowardly trying to hide behind this vague bullshit. Come on coward. Just own it. Quote
CdnFox Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 3 hours ago, eyeball said: I support resistance and that's just fine. You seem to think resisting oppression is a crime - that oppression is actually a noble thing to do to people. Yes. i think that when you blow up, burn, shoot and rape civilian women and children as deliberate targets in the name of resistance then it's a crime. Most of the world's govt's seem to agree. The only people who don't seem to agree are the people who support the guys doing the raping and shooting and burning. On top of which as discussed we know this wasn't "resistance". This was intended to be provocation to invite an attack which would be guaranteed to produce civillian casualties which hamas would then leverage for political power and money at the un, as they have done many times in the past successfully. This time they went too far and the world turned on them. There is no moral way a decent person can condone their actions. You do because "1948" and "resistance", all of which is complete bullshit. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 1 hour ago, User said: Just own it. You keep cowardly trying to hide behind this vague bullshit. Come on coward. Just own it. I don't own the definition of resistance. How do you define it? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 1 minute ago, eyeball said: I don't own the definition of resistance. How do you define it? You were the one using the word to justify criminal homicide, rape, and defiling of bodies of civilians .Your definition would be the Relevant one in this conversation. And it was so vague and airy fairy that it could literally apply to anyone anywhere. 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 7 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Yes. i think that when you blow up, burn, shoot and rape civilian women and children as deliberate targets in the name of resistance then it's a crime. So do I. I also think it's a crime to bomb and starve women and kids in the name of oppression. 8 minutes ago, CdnFox said: This time they went too far and the world turned on them. Yeah well, don't tell Canada the U.K., Norway, Australia and New Zealand who just turned against Israel with sanctions. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 4 minutes ago, CdnFox said: You were the one using the word to justify criminal homicide, rape, and defiling of bodies of civilians No, I used it to justify resistance to subjugation dispossession and oppression. I've also said multiple times I don't support atrocities. In the meantime its becoming easier to believe you support the bombing and starving of women and children in the name of oppression. To you there's nothing atrocious about this in the least. How do you explain that, wtf is wrong with you? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 37 minutes ago, eyeball said: So do I. You have already said you do not. You have been quite clear that you support those activites because "resistance". That debate is over. You weren't even a little vague. 34 minutes ago, eyeball said: Yeah well, don't tell Canada the U.K., Norway, Australia and New Zealand who just turned against Israel with sanctions. After how many gazans dead? What's left of their cities? has israel actually left? Even if the war ended tomorrow they lost the hell out of this. In the past it was a few thousand dead and major things from the UN. Now.... enjoy your rubble with no food no water and no shelter or economy. Hope you had fun burying your relatives. 31 minutes ago, eyeball said: No, I used it to justify resistance to subjugation dispossession and oppression. And the resistance was criminal homicide, rape, and defiling of bodies of civilians I get that you realize now that what you said is horrible. It's hard to imagine the kind of person who supports that. But you were not vague. That was acceptable even inevitable for you in the name of 'resistance'. And we both know this had nothing to do with 'resistance', so you're just making shit up to justify your support of murder and terrorism. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Moonlight Graham Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 On 6/9/2025 at 2:53 PM, eyeball said: And Palestinians have the right to resist. Two things can be true at the same time. Neither however have the right to commit atrocities like human rights abuses and war crimes against one another. The goal of Hamas isn't to stop Israel from building settlements in the West Bank or any other illegal activity as many progressives like to believe, their goal is to re-conquer and re-colonize all of the land of Israel/Palestine and completely dismantle the state of Israel by any means necessary. Israel is a legal entity as voted by the UN General Assembly so Hamas has no right to do that. Jews are the indigenous people of that land, not Arabs, and therefore have a right to a homeland there in some form. Palestinian leaders and their people have never had any desire for a 2-state solution. Israel abandoning that goal 20 years ago once they realized the Palestinians were never going to be interested in peace isn't surprising. Palestinians don't deserve a state if they're just going to use state rights like trade and a military to perpetually launch attacks against Israel because they don't acknowledge their right to exist. Many progressives are naive and don't seem to understand most of this. 3 Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
User Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 9 hours ago, eyeball said: I don't own the definition of resistance. How do you define it? ROFL, you are the one using it you dishonest terrorist supporter. 2 Quote
eyeball Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 12 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: Many progressives are naive and don't seem to understand most of this. Well it's just a good thing conservatives are running things over there isn't it. Good job btw. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 15 hours ago, eyeball said: So do I. I also think it's a crime to bomb and starve women and kids in the name of oppression. Yeah well, don't tell Canada the U.K., Norway, Australia and New Zealand who just turned against Israel with sanctions. They sanctioned two people.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 2 minutes ago, Army Guy said: They sanctioned two people.... Which means Canada supports Hamas and the attack on Oct 7. If you're in for a penny.... Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Legato Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 3 minutes ago, eyeball said: Which means Canada supports Hamas and the attack on Oct 7. If you're in for a penny.... There's a post 4 posts above yours, why don't you address that and stop with the puerile obfuscation. Quote
eyeball Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 5 minutes ago, Legato said: There's a post 4 posts above yours, why don't you address that and stop with the puerile obfuscation. I did address it. Resistance is the refusal to submit to oppression - the goal being to reduce or eliminate it. You disagree? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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