Venandi Posted June 8 Report Posted June 8 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: I'm saying that over half of Gaza's population wasn't even born yet the last time there was an election, and that only 44% of those who were voted for Hamas at the time. A large portion of that vote was a vote for "change" against the PLA's long-entrenched leaders, and murdering their opposition, brutal repression and 20 years of dictatorship weren't part of Hamas' 2006 campaign pitch. That makes sense on the surface but there's more to it than that. That population grew up under HAMAS, that's a pretty stern environment and it's steeped in HAMAS ideology. If you think our school system is something of a political indoctrination process you would be absolutely appalled at theirs. It's actually one of the reasons people (dare I say like me) believe schools should stick to teaching academics. HAMAS maintains significant support within the Gaza population even though many there oppose the iron fisted, often violent intrusion into their lives that goes with it. What's missing from your version of reality is that the majority of Palestinians remain fundamentally opposed to the existence of Israel and will support virtually any group who shares that core sentiment. If it wasn't HAMAS it would be some other entity with similar convictions. This is more than an ethnic struggle over land, it's a religious calling with dogmatic, ideologically driven objectives instead of political ones. That's the problem... and since Israel isn't going anywhere the peace process is thirsty work. The analogy I used about your fiancé's murderous ex-husband warrants some consideration. If you figure out how to negotiate with that guy you could certainly sell it to Israel in aerosol spray cans. Quote
User Posted June 8 Report Posted June 8 2 hours ago, Moonbox said: I'm saying that over half of Gaza's population wasn't even born yet the last time there was an election, and that only 44% of those who were voted for Hamas at the time. A large portion of that vote was a vote for "change" against the PLA's long-entrenched leaders, and murdering their opposition, brutal repression and 20 years of dictatorship weren't part of Hamas' 2006 campaign pitch. And... you want Hamas to still be in charge doing the same things to wage a war of terror on Israel? 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted June 8 Report Posted June 8 (edited) 2 hours ago, Moonbox said: I'm saying that over half of Gaza's population wasn't even born yet the last time there was an election, and that only 44% of those who were voted for Hamas at the time. A large portion of that vote was a vote for "change" against the PLA's long-entrenched leaders, and murdering their opposition, brutal repression and 20 years of dictatorship weren't part of Hamas' 2006 campaign pitch. What are you even talking about? Who said anything, anywhere, about classes of Jews? Thats what happens when you vote in a terrorist group....they don't follow the democratic rules of being a nation...they have elections when they want to, or get destroyed by israel... Almost anywhere in the world that holds democratic elections 44 % of the vote is enough to take government, not sure what your point is here....if it is to show only 44 % of palestinians voted for Hamas, a known terrorist group what about the other terrorist groups that were on the rite , ya thats right pretty much all of them are terrorist groups or tied to terrorist groups...most if not all palestinian that voted , did pick a terrorist part or one that has direct ties to terrorists.... https://www.newsweek.com/not-only-hamas-eight-factions-war-israel-gaza-1841292 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Palestine Edited June 8 by Army Guy 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted June 8 Report Posted June 8 14 hours ago, eyeball said: It's what you're saying that's at issue here. The weight and legitimacy you're attributing to a dubious election victory 20 years ago sounds desperate - you're definitely scraping the bottom of the excuse barrel. What i'm saying here is Palestinian went to the polls, during that time they had a free choice to make on which terrorist group they wanted running the country....Hamas won that election...the fact they are still in charge is a moot point they were chosen by the people of palestine, they ran on many different promises one was the total destruction of Israel....along with the other parties on the rite....nobody cares how much weight or legitimacy is afforded the election... If your saying the election was rigged, or illegitimate, the UN does not think so, nor do they care much....they formally have acknowledged them as the government in Gaza....your's or mine opinion doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things...Hamas is in charge for now, they represent all palestinians in all matters..for now...thats fact not an excuse 2 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted June 8 Report Posted June 8 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: What i'm saying here is Palestinian went to the polls What you're saying is that all Palestinians deserve what Israel's doing to them. What I'm saying is that is about as fùcked up as it gets and definitely the bottom of the barrel as far as apologetics goes. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
User Posted June 8 Report Posted June 8 1 hour ago, eyeball said: What you're saying is that all Palestinians deserve what Israel's doing to them. What I'm saying is that is about as fùcked up as it gets and definitely the bottom of the barrel as far as apologetics goes. Wait... you don't think the Palestinians deserve humanitarian aid? They don't deserve all the precautions Israel is taking to avoid killing innocent people? They don't deserve to have someone remove Hamas so they can be free from their tyranny? 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted June 8 Report Posted June 8 1 hour ago, eyeball said: What you're saying is that all Palestinians deserve what Israel's doing to them. What I'm saying is that is about as fùcked up as it gets and definitely the bottom of the barrel as far as apologetics goes. Yes, and what you're saying is wrong. Period. And if what the world was saying is that you're wrong and the Palestinians deserve to live (or die) with what they started, then in the future the Palestinians would start saying "Maybe we should live in peace?" Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
WestCanMan Posted June 8 Report Posted June 8 On 5/23/2025 at 8:27 AM, blackbird said: PM Carney and the Liberals demands on Israel to stop fighting Hamas and demanding a two-state solution 7is the same as the terrorist's comment that killed two Jews Washington the other day saying "free Palestine". Shocker. Maybe start a thread the first time they do something that's not either 1) copied from the CPC's to steal votes from them, or 2) ret4rded. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
WestCanMan Posted June 8 Report Posted June 8 2 hours ago, eyeball said: What you're saying is that all Palestinians deserve what Israel's doing to them. You knew that was a lie when you were saying it. Quote What I'm saying is that is about as fùcked up as it gets and definitely the bottom of the barrel as far as apologetics goes. What you need to wrap your head around is that Hamas's primary goal is not to get some land back. It's not even to protect their own citizens. Not the elderly, not the women, not even their children. The primary goal of Hamas is to eliminate Jews from the face of the earth, and they just view the deaths of Gazan children as a means to that end. You're just a low-level cultist, eyeball. You're like an armchair quarterback cultist, sitting in your mom's basement cheering for BLM to kill pigs, torture special needs kids, and vandalize Teslas. Hamas is the big leagues of cultism. Carving X's in their foreheads is child's play. They put their own women and children on top of their terror-rocket arsenals, knowing that they will be blown to smithereens, then they use their dead bodies as props for Al Jazeera propaganda. They're like if the MacDonald clan killed their own women and children in their beds just to blame it on the Earl of Argyll. 1 Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
Army Guy Posted June 9 Report Posted June 9 6 hours ago, eyeball said: What you're saying is that all Palestinians deserve what Israel's doing to them. What I'm saying is that is about as fùcked up as it gets and definitely the bottom of the barrel as far as apologetics goes. Cry me a river, you think all those germans that got bombed to hell deserved it, you think all those japanese people deserved the nukes dropped on them...This is a war between Hamas / palestinian people, and Israel....in war people die, from all kinds of things....War is never clean and tidy...it is death and destruction, it kills everything it touches.....right now your nothing more than an uneducated outsider chirping at what you think is uncivilized conflict.....That's exactly what war is, it has unbelievable sights, sounds, smells, tastes, you even can feel it....even after you leave the battlefield, it is pure evil.............That's how man solves it problems via violence....Sure we made a few rules of what you can do or can't do....but it is still evil..and people die by the boatloads... Want the war to stop convenience Hamas to surrender, and release Israelis they hold hostage... until then it is bombs away...kill or be killed... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted June 9 Report Posted June 9 14 hours ago, Army Guy said: ....That's how man solves it problems via violence....Sure we made a few rules of what you can do or can't do....but it is still evil..and people die by the boatloads... Rules of war don't mean much when they follow such a lackadaisical attempt to prevent people from fighting and that virtually guarantees they will in the first place. Like the shirking of responsibilities by the so called great powers that contributed to this disaster. We all got it coming. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted June 9 Report Posted June 9 26 minutes ago, eyeball said: Rules of war don't mean much when they follow such a lackadaisical attempt to prevent people from fighting and that virtually guarantees they will in the first place. Except that never happened. The Palestinians in Gaza had no excuse to go to war with Israel. This wasn't about the past, this wasn't about 1948, this was about them hating Jews and thinking that if they killed a bunch then when the retaliation came they could play the victim to the united nations and get a bunch of concessions Didn't work out that way this time. But there was nothing guaranteed about this happening at all. This happened because a group of people that you support decided they wanted to kill other people for political and financial benefit even if it meant the death of several thousand of their people. And it's gotten out of their control. Maybe next time they will think twice Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Army Guy Posted June 9 Report Posted June 9 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: Rules of war don't mean much when they follow such a lackadaisical attempt to prevent people from fighting and that virtually guarantees they will in the first place. Like the shirking of responsibilities by the so called great powers that contributed to this disaster. We all got it coming. Again, you have lived your life here in Canada wrapped up in a security blanket so thick it insulates you from what war and violence is...And good for you...not everyone is so lucky...but your commenting on a topic canadians for the most part know nothing about... Again want to point fingers, look no farther than the palestinian people...it is their choose to wage this war, it is their choose to follow their government down this road to destruction. Only they can change their path....until then Israel will do what it can to destroy the terrorist that have vowed Israel destruction.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted June 9 Report Posted June 9 5 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Again, you have lived your life here in Canada wrapped up in a security blanket so thick it insulates you from what war and violence is...And good for you...not everyone is so lucky...but your commenting on a topic canadians for the most part know nothing about... Insulated from what? The effects of the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians are felt more globally with each passing year and outbreak of violence. And you say we have to taste and smell the death to better appreciate what we see on the news? But of course you say the news is lying about what's happening over there so...LMAO! One of the worst effects on us from constant conflict over there by far is how it's making so many people over here lose their shit and ability to think straight. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted June 9 Report Posted June 9 29 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Except that never happened. Oh yes it did. British forces given the mandate and responsibility to protect Palestinians from being attacked, dispossessed, subjugated and oppressed caved to terrorism and fled the scene. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted June 9 Report Posted June 9 1 minute ago, eyeball said: Insulated from what? The effects of the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians are felt more globally with each passing year and outbreak of violence. And you say we have to taste and smell the death to better appreciate what we see on the news? But of course you say the news is lying about what's happening over there so...LMAO! One of the worst effects on us from constant conflict over there by far is how it's making so many people over here lose their shit and ability to think straight. No they are not, what you see on the media is a sound bite maybe a minute of what is going on, it provides you nothing more than a little taste of what life is like there, your only context for you is what you have experienced here....you have NO idea what it is like over there.... So yes i'm telling you you've made up your mind through a whole series of news bites and don't have a clue what is actually going on there in their day to day lives... I did not say the news is lying but your not getting the whole story in a minute news segment are you...and for you the news is your only reference...that and Palestinian propaganda... The only effects on western population is how gullible you've been to drink in Palestinian propaganda,you've eaten so much of it you really don't have any sense what is going on in that part of the world... So ya you've lost your shit, and objectivity by pinning this on the west and Israel....when the entire pile of Sh1t belongs at the feet of palestinian people...and if you did know we would be rounding up all those palestinian refugee here in Canada and sending them back to gaza to sort their own problems out... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted June 9 Report Posted June 9 26 minutes ago, eyeball said: Oh yes it did. No it didn't. Nothing that happened "guaranteed" that palestine would do what it did october 7th. Nothing in the past done by OTHER people governs the actions and decisions of PEOPLE TODAY. Just doesn't happen. The people today who launched oct 7 made their own decisions and nothing in the past changes that in the slightest They had a simple choice, find ways to live in peace or choose war. And the reason they chose war had nothing to do with the past, it had everything to do with a desire to get more out of the un as they had in the past when israel retaliated, and the fact that they hate the jews for no better reason than to hate the jews. SO no. It did not. 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted June 9 Report Posted June 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: No they are not, what you see on the media is a sound bite maybe a minute of what is going on, it provides you nothing more than a little taste of what life is like there, A minute...a sound bite? This has been going on all our lives. What I can see, hear and read about provides plenty. 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: I did not say the news is lying but your not getting the whole story in a minute news segment are you...and for you the news is your only reference...that and Palestinian propaganda... Einstein's dismayed criticism and protest of what he witnessed in Palestine were just Palestinian propaganda? Do you have anything to corroborate that? You make it sound like Palestinians wrote the history books and are able to control Internet content. My reference is also just about everything I've ever been taught to believe was good, honest and decent in the world. And the way Palestinians have been treated these last 100 definitely ain't it. My reference also includes seeing how absolutely one-sided hard-boiled supporters of Israel are determined to be - and how this compels you to malign Palestinians and mangle the reasons for their historical grievances at every opportunity in every way possible. What you're doing is just plain wrong and bad. You have one hell of a nerve talking about propaganda. Edited June 9 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted June 9 Report Posted June 9 47 minutes ago, CdnFox said: SO no. It did not. You clearly don't have a clue or give a shit. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted June 9 Report Posted June 9 12 minutes ago, eyeball said: You clearly don't have a clue or give a shit. You clearly get angry when people call you on your bullshit. It never happened. The responsibility and fault for october 7th is 100% entirely without exception regardless of history unabashedly the responsibility of Gaza and its government. In light of those actions the Israeli response has been what it should be. They are entitled to self-defense. I know you want to twist every which way humanly possible to excuse your buddies the terrorists but you can't. This is on them. 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted June 9 Report Posted June 9 2 minutes ago, CdnFox said: They are entitled to self-defense. And Palestinians have the right to resist. Two things can be true at the same time. Neither however have the right to commit atrocities like human rights abuses and war crimes against one another. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
User Posted June 9 Report Posted June 9 2 hours ago, eyeball said: And Palestinians have the right to resist. Two things can be true at the same time. Neither however have the right to commit atrocities like human rights abuses and war crimes against one another. Here you go again with your stupid BS defending what Hamas did on October 7th, and now you will cry because you got called out for it again. Quote
CdnFox Posted June 9 Report Posted June 9 2 hours ago, eyeball said: And Palestinians have the right to resist. They were not resisting anything when they chose to slaughter civilians on October 7th. You have to be the worst kind of left-wing nut bar to think that that was some sort of "Protest". There's no such thing as the right to launch an unprovoked war on your neighbor. Let me say that again because you seem to be struggling with the concept, THEY HAD NO RIGHT IN THE SLIGHETST TO LAUNCH THE ATTACK ON OCT 7 THAT STARTED THIS WAR. None nada zilch zip. it was inexcusable. So they absolutely do not have a right. And if they try to do it then they face retaliation when israel defends itself against that unjustified aggression and that's exactly what is happening now. Quote Two things can be true at the same time. Yes but only one of those things is true Quote Neither however have the right to commit atrocities like human rights abuses and war crimes against one another. Israel has the right to take whatever action is reasonably necessary to protect itself from future aggression. Unfortunately, if the enemy is hiding behind the civilian population that means that they are going to get wiped out wholesale. And yes Israel absolutely has that right. Whatever is necessary to get at hamas and shut them down permanently is allowable. They're not allowed to just kill people for fun but they absolutely can kill civillians if necessary, deny food or resources into the area to prevent hamas from getting them if necessary, etc etc. You're trying to pass it off as war crimes but it's really just war. War is messy and ugly and lots of people die. If they didn't want or they shouldn't have started the war. There is absolutely no comparison between their actions on oct 7 and israel's actions in response. None in the slightest. Not morally or lawfully based on the rules of war Hopefully, should any Palestinians survive, they'll have learned this harsh lesson that you don't get to kill other people without consequence and the consequence to you can be VERY severe indeed. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Legato Posted June 9 Report Posted June 9 3 hours ago, eyeball said: You clearly don't have a clue or give a shit. That's rich from someone who clearly is biased in support of Hamas, and that's giving you credit for being clueless. 2 Quote
eyeball Posted June 9 Report Posted June 9 1 hour ago, User said: Here you go again with your stupid BS defending what Hamas did on October 7th, and now you will cry because you got called out for it again. And here you go again with your BS excuses and apologies for a conflict that Zionists started a century ago, and now you'll run away again. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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