PM Carney's chant of stop the war in Gaza is saying let Hamas carry on its attacks on Israel

[User]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I never said Israel isn't to blame.

You just said:

"Zero. Hamas' crimes are Hamas' fault."

4 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Your post count proves how much time you spend here, which in turn proves how little else you have going on in your average loser day. 

This is objective fact.  Literally nobody else on this forum has less going on in their life than you.  

The best part?  You know it's true. 😆👌

Brilliant, so now you want to argue how big of a loser someone else is as compared to how big of a loser you think you are too. 

 

[CDN1]

43 minutes ago, eyeball said:

LMAO!

Keep laughing, you pathetic Islamist cuck. Keep simping for their Pedo death cult and terrorism. How old did you think those 72 virgins were? 8 years old, like their prophet's wife.

 

Eyeball won't be satisfied until every woman across the West is wearing a face covering.

Edited Monday at 08:42 PM by CDN1

[I am Groot]

On 5/29/2025 at 6:32 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

What you’re trying to say is that because Israel isn’t quite as vicious and nihilistic as Hamas it’s the good guy.

That's an interesting way to suggest that the side that doesn't deliberately seek to kill as many civilians as possible isn't 'quite as bad' as the side that seeks to not only kill as many Israeli civilians as possible, but also seeks to maximize the number of Palestinians killed.

On 5/29/2025 at 6:32 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

From the river to the sea was Likud’s policy from the start and Zionist policy before that.

And yet the population of the Palestinian territories has increased ninefold since 1948. So if that was the policy it doesn't seem to have worked. Are you suggesting it's just those cagy Jews taking their time to take everyone by surprise?

 

[I am Groot]

On 5/30/2025 at 1:15 PM, eyeball said:

So little starving kids are terrorists who've got it coming to them.

Whatever you say chief.

If they're starving, they're being deliberately starved by their own leaders.

On 6/1/2025 at 11:02 AM, eyeball said:

No but that doesn't stop you people from punishing them for it.

They'll be the ones in doing the resisting in the future.

Then you can kill their kids.

I'm begining to think Israel should just nuke the whole bloody bunch of them.

[I am Groot]

On 6/1/2025 at 11:17 AM, eyeball said:

There will always be more support for resistance than oppression - it's just human nature.

Really? How much support for resistance is there in Iran and Saudi Arabia? Yemen? Egypt? Jordan? Syria?

All Muslim states practice repression. It's inherent in their religious doctrine. Yet none of them seems interested in casting off Islamic government and trying for something with more freedom and human rights. 

The violence of the Palestinians has nothing to do with oppression. It's hatred of Jews. It's hatred of 'infidels', of 'kafirs'. Islam has hated everyone who is not Muslim for the entirety of its existence. It has violently, viciously, and heartlessly attacked and slaughtered its way across the world and only stopped when it came up against countries too strong to conquer.

[I am Groot]

20 hours ago, eyeball said:

Right, Israel says Hamas will divert the humanitarian aid to its fighters unless the IDF is in charge of its distribution. Which begs the question, is Israel implying Hamas is still so huge it needs all the food for itself?

Almost all NGO people in Gaza work for Hamas or are loyal to Hamas, including all the UN employees. It doesn't need all the food for itself, no, but it surely finds the story that the evil Jew is starving poor Palestinian kids very useful. I'm pretty sure they would either just lock the food up or throw it into the med rather than see that useful propaganda tool taken away.

19 hours ago, eyeball said:

It's a fact Gazans haven't had an election in 20 years.

And up until last year if it had had one Hamas would have won. Right now, it's obviously difficult to tell as no one is taking surveys.

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Around 100 years of subjugation, dispossession and oppression.

Canada shares blame for that as well.

Only 100 years? What about the rule of the Ottoman Empire? Are you under the illusion that wasn't an iron jackboot that would crush any dissent or disagreement? Why does oppression only come into play once Western countries are involved? Can you explain how rule by the Western powers was worse/harsher/crueler than rule by the Ottoman Empire? 

[SpankyMcFarland]

55 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Only 100 years? What about the rule of the Ottoman Empire? Are you under the illusion that wasn't an iron jackboot that would crush any dissent or disagreement? Why does oppression only come into play once Western countries are involved? Can you explain how rule by the Western powers was worse/harsher/crueler than rule by the Ottoman Empire? 

In the good old days of the Ottoman Empire, minorities across Europe were denied rights, left, right and centre, certainly any rights to run their own affairs in their own countries. Oppression was the order of the day. And the antisemitism that provoked the flight of Jews and the Balfour Declaration (after they had been largely blocked from Britain by Balfour) was in a Christian European empire. 

Edited Tuesday at 12:15 AM by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

And yet the population of the Palestinian territories has increased ninefold since 1948. So if that was the policy it doesn't seem to have worked. Are you suggesting it's just those cagy Jews taking their time to take everyone by surprise?

The policy since 1967 has been to take the West Bank and it’s happening, piece by piece, for those with eyes to see. Every year more settlements are created. One interim goal is the 1.1 solution - as much as much of the West Bank as possible with as few Arabs as possible. For religious loonies like Gvir and Smotrich that’s probably not enough. Their kind won’t rest until the Palestinians are driven out in their entirety. 

Edited Tuesday at 12:19 AM by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

The violence of the Palestinians has nothing to do with oppression. It's hatred of Jews. It's hatred of 'infidels', of 'kafirs'. Islam has hated everyone who is not Muslim for the entirety of its existence. It has violently, viciously, and heartlessly attacked and slaughtered its way across the world and only stopped when it came up against countries too strong to conquer.

Antisemitism in Arab countries is real but it’s the not the whole story here, of course. A person whose family has been killed, or whose land has been taken or whose olive grove has been destroyed hates the Israelis for reasons other than some nonsense they heard in the mosque. Yes, this is an ethnoreligious tribal conflict with many dimensions of bigotry etc. but both sides also have legitimate grievances stemming from real incidents. 
 

 

Edited Tuesday at 12:25 AM by SpankyMcFarland

[Moonbox]

3 hours ago, User said:

So... what did Israel do on October 7th they are guilty of and what does that have to do with Hamas rape, torture, murder, hostage taking?

What sort of dumb question is this?  Where did I say Israel was guilty of anything on October 7th?  

Once again, you're just making things up to argue against, just like you always do.  

3 hours ago, User said:

If they are different things, why do you keep bringing up Israel being to blame when discussing October 7th?

Because it's not October 7th, 2023 anymore.  Presumably even you understand that there's was a lot that happened before that day, and after.  

[User]

10 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

What sort of dumb question is this?  Where did I say Israel was guilty of anything on October 7th?  

Once again, you're just making things up to argue against, just like you always do.  

You say the question is dumb, refuse to answer, but then ask me where you said Israel was guilty of anything on October 7th... which is why I asked. 

So, why did you bring up their being guilty? What exactly are they guilty of here that has anything to do with October 7th?

I did not make up anything, I asked you questions... which you avoided. Are you trying to hide your position? Are you ashamed of what you believe here?

 

[herbie]

WTF does Oct 7 or history got to do with Carney criticizing Netanyahu's war policies?

That's like blaming 1812 or the Fenians for Trump's tariffs.

[User]

11 minutes ago, herbie said:

WTF does Oct 7 or history got to do with Carney criticizing Netanyahu's war policies?

That's like blaming 1812 or the Fenians for Trump's tariffs.

This is what happens when you jump in on page 6 and ignore everything else. Go back and read it if you really want to know how we got here. 

[Moonbox]

Just now, User said:

You say the question is dumb, refuse to answer, but then ask me where you said Israel was guilty of anything on October 7th... which is why I asked. 

If I never suggested Israel was guilty of anything on October 7th, why would you ask me what I thought they were guilty of on October 7th?  

Don't take it as refusal to answer.  Take it as incredulity at how you befuddled yourself into asking such a dumb question in the first place.  

I don't think Israel was guilty of anything on October 7th.  

15 minutes ago, User said:

So, why did you bring up their being guilty? What exactly are they guilty of here that has anything to do with October 7th?

Because Israel is guilty of a great many things both before and certainly after October 7th.  🙄

19 minutes ago, User said:

I did not make up anything, I asked you questions... which you avoided. Are you trying to hide your position? Are you ashamed of what you believe here?

Already answered the question, genius.  Now that your goofy strawman has been disassembled, maybe you can address the actual point here, which is that Hamas' October 7th attack is not a hall-pass for Israel to do whatever they like, nor is it absolution for all of the terrible things they've done in the past.   

[Moonbox]

15 minutes ago, User said:

This is what happens when you jump in on page 6 and ignore everything else. Go back and read it if you really want to know how we got here. 

No, this is what happens when you make things up to argue against, and people call you out on it.  

User's guide to debate:

STEP 1:

Respond to disagreement by making up a retarded strawman to debate against

STEP 2:

Screech about dishonesty when his opponent pushes back against this make-believe. 

It doesn't matter where or when anyone jumps into the debate.  You'll be doing this no matter what.  

[User]

4 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

If I never suggested Israel was guilty of anything on October 7th, why would you ask me what I thought they were guilty of on October 7th?  

Think.. really hard. You were the one who jumped into this discussion. 

But hey, I am in a giving mood tonight, so here you go, this is where this branch of discussion began:

 

6 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Don't take it as refusal to answer.  Take it as incredulity at how you befuddled yourself into asking such a dumb question in the first place.  

I don't think Israel was guilty of anything on October 7th.  

Then you should pay more attention to the discussions you jump into next time. 

6 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Already answered the question, genius.  Now that your goofy strawman has been disassembled, maybe you can address the actual point here, which is that Hamas' October 7th attack is not a hall-pass for Israel to do whatever they like, nor is it absolution for all of the terrible things they've done in the past.   

So... you do support Israels war against Hamas and the defeat of Hamas, just not all of their tactics?

 

[User]

5 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

No, this is what happens when you make things up to argue against, and people call you out on it.  

What exactly did I make up to argue against here in responding to Herbie?

 

[CdnFox]

18 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

No, this is what happens when you make things up to argue against, and people call you out on it.  

 

You mean like desperately trying to claim that math doesn't support something and then changing your reason why 3 times and finally embarrassing yourself by looking up a formula and getting the calculations wrong because you didn't understand it?

You are the personification of that, and you seem to be in a mood to run around these days and accuse others of what you yourself do. 

@User was correct, you are wrong, and i can only assume you're currently trying to make yourself look stupid by attacking other people instead of me making you look stupid just to change it up a bit  

And once again you couldn't refute anything he said.... all you can do is cheezy personal attacks because you don't like that he's right. 

16 minutes ago, User said:

What exactly did I make up to argue against here in responding to Herbie?

 

LOL 10 bucks says he comes back and says it's your post count, THAT"S why you're wrong  

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, User said:

You just said:

"Zero. Hamas' crimes are Hamas' fault."

Two things can be true at the same thing.

Israel is 100% responsible for what it does. Hamas is 100% responsible for what it does.

You are 100% responsible for not taking the most important step towards reconciliation as evidenced by your absolute refusal to acknowledge that it takes two to Tango.

Reconciliation is impossible without acknowledgement and will only perpetuate the conflict into he indefinite future. Is this what you want to see?

5 hours ago, CDN1 said:

Keep laughing, you pathetic Islamist cuck.

Fùck you.

LMAO!

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

I'm begining to think Israel should just nuke the whole bloody bunch of them.

Israel will need to exterminate everyone within 1000 miles of them and probably much of the planet if they insist on maintaining their current course.

I'm not being rhetorical, there will come a time when Israel's allies simply will not be able to afford to provide material support. Sustainability issues are global. The entire planet is in hock to its eyeballs and everyone is poised to unleash and draw down the natural capital that drives their economies as fast as can.

It's a completely unsustainable path we're on.

Eventually Israel will be on it's own, and then what? You would think a people with such a long view of history would have a greater capacity for foresight.

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Really? How much support for resistance is there in Iran and Saudi Arabia? Yemen? Egypt? Jordan? Syria?...

All Muslim states practice repression

Especially against secular lefties - the only hope for peace in the ME.

Israel supported Hamas to avoid having to deal with Palestinian secularists.

If you've seen one religious conservative, you've seen them all - they're truly the bane of human existence everywhere around the planet.

 

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

And up until last year if it had had one Hamas would have won. Right now, it's obviously difficult to tell as no one is taking surveys.

And very few want to lest it shatter the illusions they spin.

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Are you under the illusion that wasn't an iron jackboot that would crush any dissent or disagreement?

You must be under the illusion two wrongs make a right.

[User]

36 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Reconciliation is impossible without acknowledgement and will only perpetuate the conflict into he indefinite future. Is this what you want to see?

Reconciliation... with who? Once again, you push this vagueary that seems to show you do in fact support Hamas, and now you want Israel to reconcile with them. 

 

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Why does oppression only come into play once Western countries are involved? Can you explain how rule by the Western powers was worse/harsher/crueler than rule by the Ottoman Empire? 

Modern Western democracies simply know better than to behave like the Ottoman Empire.

When the Shiniest Beacon on the planet for freedom and liberty starts knocking off democracies for example, it's as shocking, or should be, as when a valued priest that's well liked respected and considered an asset to the community is caught fùcking little kids.

4 minutes ago, User said:

Once again, you push this vagueary

No, you're just pretending to be stupid so you don't have to address things that are to painful for you to face.

It's called running away.