For right wingers who use China as an excuse to ignore climate change mitigation in the West

[User]

12 minutes ago, robosmith said:

I lived in LA for over 10 years, so I know you are LYING.

Santa Anna Winds. 

 

[herbie]

45 minutes ago, User said:

swear... you have no regard for the truth. None. 

and you are the dimwit that thinks repeated right wing rumours are facts.

[User]

1 minute ago, herbie said:

and you are the dimwit that thinks repeated right wing rumours are facts.

I gave you a link that shows the facts. 

 

[robosmith]

20 minutes ago, Legato said:

Balderdash, happens all the time.

You wanna know something that practically never happens in LA but I saw it ONE TIME?

[User]

27 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You wanna know something that practically never happens in LA but I saw it ONE TIME?

Santa Anna Winds. 

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, User said:

I am not bragging about US caring so much about climate change while we built more coal plants and use more coal power than the rest of the world combined, because we built a solar farm too. 

 

No but you will criticize China for needing to use the energy required to produce everything you buy from them.

Per capita, China ranks 25th in CO2 emissions. Canada is #12 and the US #16. Perhaps our appetite for manufactured products is as big a problem as China manufacturing them.

[robosmith]

33 minutes ago, User said:

Santa Anna Winds. 

Nope. They happen regularly, but not nearly as violently as the winds that caused $250B in damages, fool.

[User]

36 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Nope. They happen regularly, but not nearly as violently as the winds that caused $250B in damages, fool.

What are Santa Ana winds and how are they fuelling LA wildfires?

https://www.bbc.com/weather/articles/cg7r7rrex8no

"These strong and gusty east or north-easterly winds blow from inland towards the coast. They can occur numerous times throughout the year and have been known to happen on over 20 occasions during some years."

...

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How strong are the Santa Ana winds?

The strength of the wind is what helps to spread fires rapidly. Speeds of 60 to 80mph (95-130km/h) are common, but gusts of up to 100mph (160km/h) can occur during the worst Santa Ana events."

This is where Robo runs away like he always does...

49 minutes ago, Aristides said:

No but you will criticize China for needing to use the energy required to produce everything you buy from them.

Per capita, China ranks 25th in CO2 emissions. Canada is #12 and the US #16. Perhaps our appetite for manufactured products is as big a problem as China manufacturing them.

Really? Where did I do that?

 

[CdnFox]

10 hours ago, Aristides said:

China is by far the larges producer of wind and solar but as long as the west downloads its manufacturing it will always struggle to generate enough electricity to produce what we buy from them.

Nobody downloads anything. They have power requirements the same as everybody. They have choices to fill that power requirements same as everybody. While they do fill a portion of it with Renewables one way or another, they tend to fill the vast majority with dirty energy producing sources.

I haven't checked this year but for a couple of years there they were adding basically the entire output of Canada every 15 months to their total

No matter how you want to slice it they're not super serious about reducing emissions. Their missions are increasing and will likely continue to increase for some time

[Moonlight Graham]

17 hours ago, robosmith said:

World's largest "desert-gobi-wasteland" wind-solar power base begins operations

China is serious about their grand plans for renewable energy.

 

Your link is from a  state-owned Chinese company boasting about itself?  You couldn't pay me to click on that link.

[Venandi]

9 hours ago, User said:

These strong and gusty east or north-easterly winds blow from inland towards the coast.

Yes indeed, they're katabatibc winds, that's their job, that's what they do, and they do it in a predictable fashion with no regard for the opinion of climate crazies. That's exactly how important opinion is here. They're recurring, and due to compressional heating they have extremely low relative humidity. Throw in gusts / speed and they earn their nickname of "devil winds."

Here's the fun part and it's only fun because liberals can't seem to do it. This is something you accept as a reality, something you adapt to, something you prepare for and something you train and equip for if you want to live in the affected areas. That means forestry control, early detection, rapid response, contingency planning and making the required resources available where and when needed. 

Simply put, it's a meteorological reality, progressives can call it "MAGA MAGOT induced global warming" if they wish... but they'll still have to embrace the suck or take their lumps because reality doesn't give a rat's butt what they think.

Prepare and adapt or burn, simple eh?  

 

[Deluge]

23 hours ago, robosmith said:

^Has nothing to do with the DAMAGES DONE, TROLL.

Are you so stupid you don't understand that it is the EXTREME CLIMATE (100 MPH winds) which causes EXTREME DAMAGES?

It's not just the winds, robobat. You have to consider the empty reservoirs and debris all over the f*cking forest floors. Oh, and don't forget the fireworks that some piece of shit set off. Personally, I think it was one of your illegal alien pals who started it - they love setting shit on fire and even people.  

Edited 22 hours ago by Deluge

[Aristides]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Nobody downloads anything. They have power requirements the same as everybody. They have choices to fill that power requirements same as everybody. While they do fill a portion of it with Renewables one way or another, they tend to fill the vast majority with dirty energy producing sources.

I haven't checked this year but for a couple of years there they were adding basically the entire output of Canada every 15 months to their total

No matter how you want to slice it they're not super serious about reducing emissions. Their missions are increasing and will likely continue to increase for some time

So you are saying they could make all the crap we buy from them with no electricity. BC is importing power, how much more do you think we would need if we had to make all the stuff we buy from China. The port of Vancouver exports 10 million tons US thermal coal annually to China because US ports won't handle it. 

[User]

12 minutes ago, Aristides said:

So you are saying they could make all the crap we buy from them with no electricity. BC is importing power, how much more do you think we would need if we had to make all the stuff we buy from China. The port of Vancouver exports 10 million tons US thermal coal annually to China because US ports won't handle it. 

No, we are saying it is stupid to brag about them being serious about reducing emissions when they continue to crank out the coal power. 

I mean, I would go farther and say you lefties are not serious about it either, because you just offshore all the CO2 emissions to China then brag about how great you are doing. 

This point was made in another thread by someone bragging about Canada taking climate change seriously by decommissioning their coal plants... when they just export all their coal to be used in China instead. 

 

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, Venandi said:

Yes indeed, they're katabatibc winds, that's their job, that's what they do, and they do it in a predictable fashion with no regard for the opinion of climate crazies. That's exactly how important opinion is here. They're recurring, and due to compressional heating they have extremely low relative humidity. Throw in gusts / speed and they earn their nickname of "devil winds."

Here's the fun part and it's only fun because liberals can't seem to do it. This is something you accept as a reality, something you adapt to, something you prepare for and something you train and equip for if you want to live in the affected areas. That means forestry control, early detection, rapid response, contingency planning and making the required resources available where and when needed. 

Simply put, it's a meteorological reality, progressives can call it "MAGA MAGOT induced global warming" if they wish... but they'll still have to embrace the suck or take their lumps because reality doesn't give a rat's butt what they think.

Prepare and adapt or burn, simple eh?  

"Prepare and adapt" means cutting the GHG emissions which make a nuisance into a disaster. Duh

And your denial isn't going to change that.

 

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Your link is from a  state-owned Chinese company boasting about itself?  You couldn't pay me to click on that link.

Since I quoted the important parts, you don't have to click on the link. 💡

[eyeball]

51 minutes ago, User said:

This point was made in another thread by someone bragging about Canada taking climate change seriously by decommissioning their coal plants... when they just export all their coal to be used in China instead.

Alongside the point we also need to stop producing and shipping coal.

Queue the argument if we don't someone else will. Another argument right wingers like using when mocking climate change concern.

[User]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Since I quoted the important parts, you don't have to click on the link. 💡

Look who is back! Going to ignore the link and information I shared on the Santa Anna Winds and run away like usual?

[User]

49 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Alongside the point we also need to stop producing and shipping coal.

Queue the argument if we don't someone else will. Another argument right wingers like using when mocking climate change concern.

OK great, let me know when the leftists who take climate change so seriously in Canada start seriously pushing for that. 

[CdnFox]

51 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Alongside the point we also need to stop producing and shipping coal.

 

No we don't,  we paid our carbon tax for years so the problem is gone right?

Right? The problem is gone? Carbon tax solved our problems? Right?

 

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Queue the argument if we don't someone else will. Another argument right wingers like using when mocking climate change concern.

So what you're complaining about is that right Wingers prefer to speak the truth? It's a bit of an odd thing to be upset about.

But yes you're quite right, the end user will still be the end user. They're still going to burn coal  and no amount of carbon tax will stop it despite what Justin believes

So if you actually cared about the environment, which you don't, you would be calling for more investment or efforts to be put into the development of technologies that would either capture carbon or allow for an economically viable end to energy production from carbon products. 

But you don't.  

Your attitude is that its FINE for them to actually PRODUCE the carbon and ruin the environment as long as we don't make money off of it. 

Is that because the environment is too omnibus for you?

[Aristides]

2 hours ago, User said:

No, we are saying it is stupid to brag about them being serious about reducing emissions when they continue to crank out the coal power. 

I mean, I would go farther and say you lefties are not serious about it either, because you just offshore all the CO2 emissions to China then brag about how great you are doing. 

This point was made in another thread by someone bragging about Canada taking climate change seriously by decommissioning their coal plants... when they just export all their coal to be used in China instead. 

 

So you agree that offspring our CO2 emissions is a thing, yet you would blame China for it.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

So you agree that offspring our CO2 emissions is a thing, yet you would blame China for it.

They're still the one doing the burning

[User]

7 minutes ago, Aristides said:

So you agree that offspring our CO2 emissions is a thing, yet you would blame China for it.

China is not some victim here, they are profiting from this arrangement just as much as we are. 

My argument is quite simple, I have repeated it many times. 

Robo and other leftists who cheer on China are dishonest when they try to sing the praise of China caring about climate change and doing something amazing while they ignore their continued use of coal and expansion of coal. 

Even worse, leftists who cheer on their policies in Canada and other places as being climate friendly for shutting down their own coal power... ignore that the coal is just getting shipped to China to be burned there instead. 

In short: Climate change people are not serious people. It is all a ruse. 

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Alongside the point we also need to stop producing and shipping coal.

Queue the argument if we don't someone else will. Another argument right wingers like using when mocking climate change concern.

There are no excuses. Produce oil, ship coal, and f*ck off, moonbats. It's really quite simple. 

[Aristides]

24 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

They're still the one doing the burning

And we’re still the ones buying all the stuff they make for us.