Time for Western separation

[Nefarious Banana]

21 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

A flaw of the Liberal mind.

Those treaties are poisonous to both societies. They never should have been signed. 

The bottom line is...those treaties...ESPECIALLY the original...have all but destroyed the natives and made them into what they are today.

Bottom line . . . . "The buffalo are gone, they're not coming back . . . get over it"

Early treaties were needed at the time.  Time changes everything, and now there's generations that have never worked and don't have any concept of what it takes to be respossible for yourself and family.

A limiting factor to the vibrant society Canada could be are old treaties.

[Nationalist]

7 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Bottom line . . . . "The buffalo are gone, they're not coming back . . . get over it"

Early treaties were needed at the time.  Time changes everything, and now there's generations that have never worked and don't have any concept of what it takes to be respossible for yourself and family.

A limiting factor to the vibrant society Canada could be are old treaties.

YES! Like a bunch of dopes, we let a small minority of Canadians...act as if they are not Canadians. Regardless of the political party in power at any given time, its been Liberal ideals that allow this dumb-fckery to go on.

I see value in the celebration of the native history. But I do not see value in allowing that to supersede the general welfare of Canada. If one lives and makes use of the benefits of Canada, then one better fcking-well be Canadian...or we have a problem. The natives are not the only ones who refuse to assimilate, and like a bunch of sopping wet noodles...we let them. Stupid us.

@Canada - Grow a spine for Gawd's sake! Our nation suffers BECAUSE you try to accommodate every little minority. But the simple truth is...you can't. Its obvious. History shows that very clearly. Multi-culturalism CAUSES social friction.

Eliminate the bloody friction!

Build a nation...not a fcking playground.

[West]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Of course they have. But there's plenty of blame to go around. Like with the Iroquois for instance.

The original treaty was made such that the natives would have little or nothing to do with the European based society being formed in Canada. This was by their choice. In essence...they screwed themselves. They didn't realize that "the White Man's world" was gonna change at an accelerated rate and leave them in the dust. Yet they knew the Americans would never consider such a treaty.

Canada gave them what they wanted...and the natives got left behind. Simple as that.

That's true. They are welcome to tag along for a more free, fair and prosperous western Canada tho

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Poor puppy....living rent free in your brain is wearing you down.

 

Umm...  everyone lives "rent free" in their own head. 

You probably meant i'm living rent free in YOUR head.  Yah.  We all know that. But honestly it's no effort at all  

Stop drinking. It's the weekdays again. 

[West]

Many westerners are understandably connected to being Canadian. 

That's understandable. We can call ourselves "Western Canada" as our new country name. Just cut the ties to Ottawa is all we are asking. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Ha!!! You really think so??? If you do, you are dreaming.

The indigenous will keep the issue in court for decades and decades and even the American Indians would get involved....and Alberta would lose in the end.

Whos court stupid?

[Nefarious Banana]

5 minutes ago, West said:

Many westerners are understandably connected to being Canadian. 

That's understandable. We can call ourselves "Western Canada" as our new country name. Just cut the ties to Ottawa is all we are asking. 

'Canada West' as a stand alone country . . . no need to ask Ottawa anything.  Or, a concept like Quebec has within confederation where we tell Ottawa what to do?  Whatever's on the horizon, change is needed.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Yes. Cut them off. Make them understand that they are in the boat WITH us. Not on a different boat.

I know it sounds "mean" but...how do parents teach a baby to sleep through the night?

By letting the baby cry itself to sleep for a few nights.

I agree and have said that myself.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Nefarious Banana said:

'Canada West' as a stand alone country . . . no need to ask Ottawa anything.  Or, a concept like Quebec has within confederation where we tell Ottawa what to do?  Whatever's on the horizon, change is needed.

There could be something akin to the European Union where Our federation is split in half and essentially you have a western and Eastern Canadian government but an economic union is in place where people can cross freely to work, there's no tarrifs or the like, etc etc.  But the laws and taxes etc are individual to each "country". 

[ExFlyer]

16 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Umm...  everyone lives "rent free" in their own head. 

...

But it is I that lives in your head rent free and you can't shake it LOL

Oh and in case you forgot , you are a LOSER too Ha Ha Ha

[ExFlyer]

18 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Whos court stupid?

Yup, even got to explain that to you? Yup, you certainly are stupid if you have to as that

Go ask one of your other LOSERS LOL

[West]

37 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

There could be something akin to the European Union where Our federation is split in half and essentially you have a western and Eastern Canadian government but an economic union is in place where people can cross freely to work, there's no tarrifs or the like, etc etc.  But the laws and taxes etc are individual to each "country". 

It would be ideal if Canada East + BC opened up to Alberta's expectations as outlined by Danielle Smith yesterday in her press release. But it's been 10 years of punishing Alberta and Sask's economy so I wouldn't hold my breath. 

The separation idea is a last resort but the card is very much on the table. 

Edited May 6 by West

[CdnFox]

37 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

But it is I that lives in your head rent free and you can't shake it LOL

 

Dude you can't even spell it  It's taking you four attempts just to actually say it right 

And I see you made the time to make me another picture     who lives in who's head? ROFLMAO!!!! 

You're going to go on for pages like this and then you're going to cry and demand but you can't stop unless I let you. Then you'll insist you'll never stop until the end of time and then you'll stop. At every step of the way you're going to look like a Complete retarded twat

[taxme]

18 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I know what will happen   Such things could be predicted.

As far as becoming part of the united states if the united states chose to go ahead with that it would actually be practical. In fact That might go very well for Alberta. They would not have much in the way of political power, basically They have about four times the population of maine, but they would still have political power and they would have a lot more freedom to make local laws and many of the things that have vexed them over the years would no longer be an issue

But I don't know if America would be interested in that. Trump might but I don't know the rest of America would think that was such a great idea. And Canada would certainly have a problem with it. It's difficult to just leave, there is no provision in the provinces agreement with the Canadian government to allow for exiting the constitution. So it has to be negotiated or it's considered an invasion. That's delicate

As far as going it alone goes, it wouldn't go well. Especially over time. Oil is on the way out, 100 years from now I doubt it will have very much value compared to today. So what happens 100 years from now when all of a sudden oil isn't the thing keeping Alberta afloat? Alberta does not have a population base significant enough to be attractive to other countries and their markets, they have nothing particularly unique that isn't made or done in other places, it would be a very difficult road a hoe especially considering their lack of access to blue water

Now on the other hand imagine that Saskatchewan were to go with them. That changes the picture a little bit although it would still be an extremely tough road of hope. But now you have more resources, you represent a larger bread basket for supplying food are you up your population size and market desirability a small amount. Better but still not great

Now dump British Columbia and maybe Manitoba into the mix now everything changes

The population would be large enough to be interesting to at least some market powers. You would control most of Canadian food production which gives you a lot of clout around the world

You would have access to both the Pacific and the Atlantic through the Bay of Hudson.

That would be a viable country and would probably do very well for itself. There's a lot of diversity, there's a lot of economic horsepower, there's access to ports and markets and there is a similar history and mental philosophy between all of those provinces. The intermingle a lot over the last 100 years with population with most people having relatives and at least one of the other provinces and with thinking being not dissimilar

If the 4 western Canadian provinces decided to separate from Chanukistan now that would be really fantastic. We would have everything we need to survive no matter how the world turns. We could get along just great and survive comfortably.

The only province that would not want to go along is BC. BC after all is pretty much a lieberal and socialist province and they would not be so easy to convince, although with enough persuasion, they just might. Imagine what a power house the western provinces could be. We have all we need to survive on our own. 

And just think? No more bilingualism, no more multiculturalism/diversity, hopefully no foreign aid, no more transfer payments to french Quebec or the Maritimes. Ontario? Well, i could careless about that lieberal progressive province. No more massive 3rd world immigration invasion. Now that is what i could go for. Freedom from Marxist globalist Ottawa. 

Works well for me!! 😇

[taxme]

16 hours ago, Barquentine said:

What makes you think the US would want Alberta? They got all the wheat they need and vast amounts of cheaper, easier to access oil.

Go it alone? You really that naive?

 

Maybe naive. As i said, one never knows unless one tries. Trump seems to feel that provinces like Alberta would be a great thing to become the 51st state. I would much prefer to see the 4 western provinces all get together and separate from Marxist globalist Ottawa and form their own country.

This is something i have always dreamed about. I believe that all Westerners could potentially become filthy rich if that were to happen. No more transfer payments to the eastern socialists. All those hundreds of billions of tax dollars going to the east would cease and stay in western Canada. We could go it alone because we pretty much have everything that we need to survive as a country. Something westerners should really think about. Just saying. 

[WestCanMan]

18 minutes ago, taxme said:

Maybe naive. As i said, one never knows unless one tries. Trump seems to feel that provinces like Alberta would be a great thing to become the 51st state. I would much prefer to see the 4 western provinces all get together and separate from Marxist globalist Ottawa and form their own country.

In the last 3 elections, the US:

1. nearly elected Hillary
2. theoretically elected Biden
3. nearly elected Kamala

Can anyone explain to me how leaving Canada just to the US would be a good thing? 

Is saying "President Hillary" any better than saying "PM Commey"? Is saying "President Biden" any better than saying "PM Little Potato"? 

I could see how completely unfettered free trade might be a good thing, but no thanks to the possibility of ever having to say "Kamala is my president". 

[ExFlyer]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Dude you can't even spell it  I...

Complete retarded twat

I am surprised you notice misspelling. You perceived educational level does not show that LOL

Oh and, I see you are back to name calling LOL

Sure sign of a LOSER, cannot make a intelligible argument so call names LOL

[taxme]

14 hours ago, cougar said:

So you are an Albertan currently in exile in BC?

Would be interesting to read your plea letter to Trump;  

"Please Mr.Trump,  please, pretty please make me the billionaire I deserve to be.   I am voluntarily giving my province away; just please liberate me from all these Canadian liberals!"

Nope. I was once an Easterner, but i am now a conservative resident of BC. I would never go back east ever again.  

I have no intentions of writing any letters to Trump. I have written letters to Ottawa and i have never received a reply back. 

Well, that would be a great plan if Trump could make me a billionaire by joining America. Even a million dollars would work. And i am pretty sure that you would take that offer also. I wonder what would happen to lefties like you if Trump said that he would give every Canadian a million American dollars if they joined America. I am dam sure that you would no doubt think about that nice offer. An offer Ottawa will never give to Alberta to stay in Canada. 

Maybe i will write a nice letter to Mr. Trump and say PLEASE Mr. Trump if i join America, will you give me a million dollars, pretty pretty please, Mr. Trump. 😁 

[ExFlyer]

24 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

In the last 3 elections,

1. nearly elected Hillary
2. theoretically elected Biden
3. nearly elected Kamala

...

1. Nearly elected Harper again

2. Nearly elected O'Foole

3 Nearly elected Scheer

4 Nearly elected Polievere

Can't $hit on the Americans for making errors.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Yup, even got to explain that to you? Yup, you certainly are stupid if you have to as that

 

LOL so you just figured it out and realized how stupid you are and don't want to say it out loud  

Honestly it's not the fact that you're wrong that makes it hilarious. Everyone's wrong once in awhile. What makes you hilarious is that as soon as you realize you're wrong you double down on being stupid and greatly enhance the wrong with something else that's equally wrong or stupid lOLOLOL 

Well I'm glad you figured it out in the end

[ExFlyer]

Just now, CdnFox said:

LOL so you just figured it out and realized how stupid .

Nawww, I have know all along that you are not the sharpest knife in the drawer

But hey, don't belittle yourself too much, there are a few people on this forum that don't know how dull you are

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

Nawww, I have know all 

I'm sure the voices in your head tell you you do   

[Barquentine]

2 hours ago, taxme said:

We could go it alone because we pretty much have everything that we need to survive as a country.

Checked the price of oil lately? And in a few decades there will be much less demand. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

I am surprised you notice misspelling. 

No misspelling I don't really care about generally  but it's pretty obvious when you're writing when you're drunk.     if you can't write a coherent sentence and fail multiple times, it kind of stands out    

[Nationalist]

5 hours ago, West said:

That's true. They are welcome to tag along for a more free, fair and prosperous western Canada tho

As long as they actually contribute...sure.