Time for Western separation

[TreeBeard]

Just now, blackbird said:

FNs are under the authority of the provincial government and do not tell the province what they can do.  They are 5% of the population.  The majority decides, not 5%.

You are wrong every time you type on your keyboard. 😂 

Are you really this ignorant?

[blackbird]

Just now, TreeBeard said:

You think the province of Alberta decided on its own borders?  😂 

Canada determined Alberta’s borders.  Canada even kept all Crown land and all resources until 1930.  It is up to Canada what happens to Alberta.  Without Canada, Alberta doesn’t exist. 

It's that attitude that stinks and contributes to the wish to separate.  No, the province decides.

1 minute ago, TreeBeard said:

You are wrong every time you type on your keyboard. 😂 

Are you really this ignorant?

Is that all you can come up with?

[TreeBeard]

Just now, blackbird said:

  No, the province decides.

Shockingly ignorant of history.  Pick up a book. 

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

FNs are under the authority of the provincial government and do not tell the province what they can do.  They are 5% of the population.  The majority decides, not 5%.

You're in for such a monumental disappointment.

[blackbird]

Just now, TreeBeard said:

Shockingly ignorant of history.  Pick up a book. 

I've read far more than you.  For example, B.C. was British colony before it joined Canada.

If Quebec has the right to separate so does every other province.

[TreeBeard]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

I've read far more than you.  For example, B.C. was British colony before it joined Canada.

So none of the rest of Canada was a British colony? 
 

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

If Quebec has the right to separate so does every other province.

Quebec doesn’t have that right.  

Edited 17 hours ago by TreeBeard

[blackbird]

5 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Quebec doesn’t have that right.  

Separation would require complex negotiations between the separating province, the federal government and other provinces according to what I've read.

So there is not much to debate.  That's how it would have to happen.

As a keyboard warrior you don't get to decide the details.

Edited 17 hours ago by blackbird

[TreeBeard]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

As a keyboard warrior you don't get to decide the details

You said Alberta would decide.  Did you realize how silly that was?  

[blackbird]

7 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

So none of the rest of Canada was a British colony? 

A number of provinces in central and eastern Canada joined together to form the country in 1867.  B.C. did not join until a number of years later.

1 minute ago, TreeBeard said:

You said Alberta would decide.  Did you realize how silly that was?  

You are a just trying to stir up the pot.   

The first step is Alberta would decide whether it wants to pursue separation and the negotiations would have to begin from there.

[TreeBeard]

7 minutes ago, blackbird said:

A number of provinces in central and eastern Canada joined together

You’re so book-smart!  
 

You still think indigenous people are under the authority of provincial governments?

[blackbird]

20 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

You still think indigenous people are under the authority of provincial governments?

I thought we were talking about the hypothetical possibility of a province separating.

Within Canada, it depends what FN matters you are talking about.  They are under the authority of the federal government in some matters.  Some FN issues fall under the authority of the province they are in.

If a province did separate, what authority do you think the natives in that province would fall under? 

Edited 17 hours ago by blackbird

[blackbird]

22 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

You’re so book-smart!  
 

You still think indigenous people are under the authority of provincial governments?

I think you are here to play games and see if you can trick people or trip them.  Am I correct?

I've been around long enough to know what you are up to.

Edited 17 hours ago by blackbird

[TreeBeard]

14 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I think you are here to play games and see if you can trick people or trip them.  Am I correct?

I've been around long enough to know what you are up to.

Yeah, I’m tricking you into saying the myriad of incorrect things you say. 🙄

[blackbird]

6 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Yeah, I’m tricking you into saying the myriad of incorrect things you say. 🙄

You of course never said anything incorrect.

[blackbird]

57 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

You said Alberta would decide.  Did you realize how silly that was?  

Here's an example.

Do you think a province has the right to decide to separate?

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

You're in for such a monumental disappointment.

Do you think the FNs allowed BC to become a British colony?

Did FN allow BC to join confederation?

FN had no say in it.

FN might have something to say about it, but they don't get to make the decision.  If there was a referendum, individuals might get a vote the same as non-natives but they don't decide themselves.

Edited 16 hours ago by blackbird

[TreeBeard]

30 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Do you think a province has the right to decide to separate?

No.   Of course they don’t.  There would need to be a constitutional amendment, and that would require both houses of government to agree and 7 of 10 provinces with 50% of the population to ratify.  So the rest of Canada has the ultimate say.
 

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-31.8/section-3.html?txthl=terms#:~:text=3 (1) It is recognized,would require negotiations involving at

 

• 3 (1) It is recognized that there is no right under the Constitution of Canada to effect the secession of a province from Canada unilaterally and that, therefore, an amendment to the Constitution of Canada would be required for any province to secede from Canada, which in turn would require negotiations involving at least the governments of all of the provinces and the Government of Canada.

[cougar]

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

What makes you think BC would want to deny Alberta access to ports or pipelines?  I live in BC and would welcome pipelines and give them access to ports.  We have much more in common with Alberta than Ontario, Quebec and eastern Canada.   We get our oil, gas, agriculture, and beef from Alberta.  

No we don't want pipelines.  You sound more like an Albertan living in BC.  We had that scuffle with Alberta already when Notley was giving us ultimatums.  Remember?

[cougar]

5 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Or, better yet, move back to the third world sh!thole you came from . . . 

Have you traveled at all?   Start traveling and you might come to realize that you yourself are in a shithole, not the other way round.

[cougar]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

FN might have something to say about it, but they don't get to make the decision.

If the law says land is theirs, then they may decide to kick us all out.

Unless we want to rewrite the laws, bring back the residential schools and restart the genocide till no FN's are left.

[betsy]

What interests me is not the separation itself, if it happens.

I'm assuming Alberta wants to be annexed to the  USA, if separation happens at all.

I'm interested how many people will leave Alberta to stay in Canada.....and how many Canadians will move to Alberta, wanting to be annexed to the USA.

[betsy]

16 hours ago, Aristides said:

We get this every time the Liberals win an election. Maybe wait and see what Carney does? Moe seems willing to give him a chance. Smith is just being Smith. 

 

But......

We didn't have Trump, offering annexation in all the previous elections.  Our Canada isn't in such a bad shape the way it is now, during all the other previous elections!  We haven't been in this situation before.   This is new territory for us.

 

If I'm not mistaken, Smith is open to annexation.  I wonder if Alberta's position came up with her meetings with Trump?

Albertans could be SERIOUSLY  interested this time.

As for the trade war - Trump hasn't tightened all the screws just yet.

 

Don't kid yourself.   It's a very different ball-game this time.

Edited 11 hours ago by betsy

[betsy]

About 3 years from now - if the USA gets to its economic  target - and INCOME TAX IS ABOLISHED to all American citizens..........

 

If Alberta separates - and if they open their doors to all Canadians who'd want to leave Canada to join them................

.....just imagine how many will stay in Canada!

 

Canada will be peopled by those who are unable to move anymore, and all the illegal un-documented we have in this country, who won't be welcome in the USA.

 

 

I hope Alberta will make sure that they will not be treated as second-class citizens.  They should have exactly the same benefits any regular American citizen has.  That should be  the priority on the table.

Edited 11 hours ago by betsy

[betsy]

Mind you, Trump is offering Canada to be the 51st state.  Not just to be a territory like Puerto Rico.

So that means, you will become Americans.  Which must mean, you get the same things Americans get.

 

I envision a line-up of Canadians from other parts of Canada  to Alberta.  Professionals, regular folks, soldiers, even some politicians!

An exodus.

 

 

Here is the thing:

If people starts leaving Canada for Alberta (USA) - will Canada prevent its people from leaving?

 

Will it apply the same measures as North Korea does to its people? 

Will there be an "iron curtain?"   Like.......the Berlin wall?

 

 

Edited 11 hours ago by betsy

[betsy]

If Canadians sees Alberta separating - how long will it be before we see riots on the streets..........demanding for the rest of the country to be annexed too?

Especially when we're economically suffering?

We could end up in a civil war.

 

Destabilization of a country, usually results in a civil war.  

 

You think that's far-fetched thinking?

Edited 11 hours ago by betsy