FEDERAL DEBATE SCANDAL

[CouchPotato]

17 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

The news isn't there to "represent you"

Sure it is. The CBC, if you can call it news, wants our tax dollars. There are certain questions people want asked. The news is not just whatever liberals think is newsworthy. We all have to pay for CBC. They would never ask that question about the churches being burned. If a single mosque is burned that would be a news story. Everyone would be expected to condemn it.

CBC has an obvious bias. Maybe you don't see it. That's fine. If you enjoy it, fund it yourself. If CBC is so great, it ought to be able to stand on it's own two feet.

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Boohoo, Rebel doesn't get federal funding to make stuff up and repost what other people have written.  Boohoo, Rebel doesn't get to seek out and stir up confrontations to subsequently cry about.

I don't care that Rebel doesn't get federal funding. I just don't want to fund the CBC. The only people boohooing here are the leftists who lost their minds over the fact that Rebel was allowed to be there, and then claimed to be endangered by their presence.

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[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

What's at issue is that they're political advocates.

 

Makes no difference whatsoever.  Frankly i feel exactly the same about the cbc. Look at their fake news efforts during the alberta election. 

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

That's not to say there isn't room for independent journalists but they shouldn't be registered political advocates as well.

Wouldn't change the fact that they had every right to be there. And again, everyone had the opportunity to bring that up at the court fights (two of them) in the past where the court said IT DOESN"T MATTER .

No matter how you want to spin it a court has decided this. Twice. They are journalists and reporters and have every right to appear there.

If we get to just independently decide who isn't isn't a reporter or journalist on a whim then that is essentially the end of democracy.

This is just more proof as to why we need to defend the CBC. The left wants to keep it in power as their corrupt and bias voice in meantime smash any other voice that is bias as well so that they are the only one

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[CouchPotato]

From what I have seen, the fight at the debate broke out because the Hills Times reporter was mad that Keann Bexte, who doesn't even work for Rebel (though he did years ago) was going to ask a question about Liberal MP Ryan Turnbull who made anti-gay comments.

 

All they had to do was boot the whiny stick man out, and everything would have been fine.

Edited April 21 by CouchPotato

[Legato]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Because newspapers require READING.

In Revolutionary Russia, the lumpen proletariat did not trust the literate.

Another guy who doesn't acknowledge the billboard vans...

Have you ever considered applying a standard to peoples behaviour?

What make is your van? Is it standard issue? Does it come with the hypocrisy upgrade?

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Makes no difference whatsoever.  Frankly i feel exactly the same about the cbc. Look at their fake news efforts during the alberta election. 

You feel like that because you're a loon on par with COVID authoritarian nuts.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Wouldn't change the fact that they had every right to be there. And again, everyone had the opportunity to bring that up at the court fights (two of them) in the past where the court said IT DOESN"T MATTER .

The courts weren't ruling on Rebel's rights as a third party campaign advertiser. At best all the courts did was find that Rebel, when it comes forward as a legitimate news broadcaster, has the same right to a shot at access to a press scrum as anyone else. It looks like the standard the court expected was 1 journalist per media outlet.

[Goddess]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Prove it or fùck off.

Did you forget about this?  People got fired over it.

CTV says staffers who altered Poilievre clip 'no longer' work for its news team | CBC News

[eyeball]

9 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Did you forget about this?  People got fired over it.

CTV says staffers who altered Poilievre clip 'no longer' work for its news team | CBC News

Good on CTV for putting journalistic integrity first.

Good on Ezra Levant for firing Faith Goldie too.

[Goddess]

13 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Good on CTV for putting journalistic integrity first.

Good on Ezra Levant for firing Faith Goldie too.

That wasn't the point.  The point was you disagreed that MSM ever lies.

[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, Goddess said:

That wasn't the point.  The point was you disagreed that MSM ever lies.

At no time did I ever do or say such a thing.

 

[Goddess]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

At no time did I ever do or say such a thing.

 

Previous page of this thread:

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

You feel like that because you're a loon on par with COVID authoritarian nuts.

 

I'm sure that the voices in your head tell you that's true  

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The courts weren't ruling on Rebel's rights as a third party campaign advertiser.

They were ruling on whether or not they were legitimate news orgs DESPITE any other activities. These arguments were made, they're not a real news  org, they're  activists etc etc etc.  Court says bullshit. 

At the end of the day you are advocating for an end to freedom of the press. LIke i said this has been ruled on. Twice. 

 

[Moonlight Graham]

7 hours ago, eyeball said:

What's at issue is that they're political advocates. These have zero business being in a press pool of any sort in any capacity no matter what their ideology

That's not to say there isn't room for independent journalists but they shouldn't be registered political advocates as well.

They belong outside with the bloggers and influencers like any other mouthpiece with an opinion.

 

And what about newspapers who run editorials supporting specific parties and candidates?  What about the Toronto Star that hasn't endorses a right-leaning party for many decades?

What about the CBC that lied on the air about The Rebel reporter during the debate scrum asking a question mentioning that no remains of indigenous children from unmarked graves have been found and Rosemary Barton doing a "fact-check" and saying yes there have been remains found (a lie)?

What about CTV News and CBC News and Global News having their journalists become MP's and Senators?  Is there a conflict of interest there?

Rebel are clowns but It's not as black and white as people make out.  The purpose of journalism is to INFORM the public, it is not to PERSUADE the public towards one party/candidate/ideology or another.  Especially a state broadcaster.

[Moonlight Graham]

6 hours ago, eyeball said:

Prove it or fùck off.

Every right wing conservative going back to Galileo's time and beyond has had the same fundamental grievance and grudge against people who report anything that pushes against their comfort zones.

That's literally what CBC reporters did on-air too though after the debates.  And CBC lied at least 3 times on-air in the post-debate coverage.  It's literally on camera.

I point out the lies here:  https://canadianpoliticalevents.createaforum.com/canada-discussion-forum/debate-gate/?message=142177

And here:  https://canadianpoliticalevents.createaforum.com/canada-discussion-forum/debate-gate/?message=142304

[Moonlight Graham]

7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Another guy who doesn't acknowledge the billboard vans...

Have you ever considered applying a standard to peoples behaviour?

The billboard van happened.  Rebel News are activists.  Any outlet that behaves like activists rather than only informing the public should not be invited to these debates IMO.  But then that would eliminate some mainstream outlets as well, like the National Post, Toronto Star etc.  Billboard vans aren't the only way to spread biased political propaganda.

That aside, the main problem with the debates was the Debate Commission rules/decisions and The Hill reporter freaking out unprofessionally and creating a security situation.

[CdnFox]

50 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The billboard van happened.  Rebel News are activists.  Any outlet that behaves like activists rather than only informing the public should not be invited to these debates IMO.  But then that would eliminate some mainstream outlets as well, like the National Post, Toronto Star etc.  Billboard vans aren't the only way to spread biased political propaganda.

That aside, the main problem with the debates was the Debate Commission rules/decisions and The Hill reporter freaking out unprofessionally and creating a security situation.

Here's the thing.  Your opinion aside the judges have ruled on it and decided rebel news is 100 percent legit, despite all else and all the claims about them being activists and not journalists were made. 

They got there on time and lined up at the mike.  ANY OTHER NEWS STATION COULD HAVE DONE THE SAME. 

So i would disagree that it was a problem with "the rules".  They followed the rules, they did nothing that any other group could easily have done, they just worked hard while the others were a little lazy. 

 

I think they could change things up for next time if they're smart, maybe look at a lottery system for who gets to go rather than letting people line up for it, but whatever.  Rebel news did nothing wrong and that jackass from the hill time should be banned from ever attending again. 

And i'd say the same if it were any of the other left wing indies as well, like the tyee or such who are just as bad as rebel news. 

[betsy]

17 hours ago, eyeball said:

They do when they're asked by legitimate journalists.

Why do Rebel News billboard trucks need political messages on them?

Got any pics of CBC trucks with Fùck Poilievre bumper stickers on them?

 

What is a legotimate journalist?

 

The CBC can't claim that.   They have been manipulating the news that they show us!

 

Our news media - everyone can't be trusted now.   We have to do our own research.

 

 

But you're missing the point for this scandal.  

[Moonlight Graham]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Here's the thing.  Your opinion aside the judges have ruled on it and decided rebel news is 100 percent legit, despite all else and all the claims about them being activists and not journalists were made. 

They got there on time and lined up at the mike.  ANY OTHER NEWS STATION COULD HAVE DONE THE SAME. 

So i would disagree that it was a problem with "the rules".  They followed the rules, they did nothing that any other group could easily have done, they just worked hard while the others were a little lazy. 

 

I think they could change things up for next time if they're smart, maybe look at a lottery system for who gets to go rather than letting people line up for it, but whatever.  Rebel news did nothing wrong and that jackass from the hill time should be banned from ever attending again. 

And i'd say the same if it were any of the other left wing indies as well, like the tyee or such who are just as bad as rebel news. 

The Hill Times guy is a nut.  I'd be fine banning him, and banning David Menzies for provoking people by shoving bright lights 6 inches from someones face to annoy them and just being a troll.

David Cochrane of the CBC should also be fired from our public broadcaster, and CBC News should include no political opinions, especially when they're lies/misinformation.  ZERO.  They're the public broadcaster, they must remain 100% politically objective and only present factual information to the public.

And i was talking about the rules for getting in to ask questions in the first place.  2 of the questioned Rebel asked were biased nonsense, but the other 2 were legit questions.

[betsy]

17 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

I remember the same day CBC reported that the convoy was responsible for arson, Rebel News made a simple call to the RCMP and verified that it was false and they did not suspect the convoy was involved. You would think so called qualified journalists on the govt dime could have done that themselves. It's great we have media out there like Rebel. Not to mention all the help they have given by providing lawyers to people who were unfairly charged or fined during the covid insanity.

 

The CBC does not only sow division - it is a conspiracy theorist!

 

Streaming on CBC:  Trump defunding universities that don't change their policies.  Will Poilievre do the same?

heck!  What's that?

 

Streaming yon CBC after the scrum fiasco:

REBEL NEWS EZRA LEVANT WAS MENTOR TO POILIEVRE!

 

 

[Moonlight Graham]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

They were ruling on whether or not they were legitimate news orgs DESPITE any other activities. These arguments were made, they're not a real news  org, they're  activists etc etc etc.  Court says bullshit. 

At the end of the day you are advocating for an end to freedom of the press. LIke i said this has been ruled on. Twice.

That's a hard argument to reject.  The Rebel may have a constitutional right to join the line to ask questions.  Can you reject them for being clowns?  I dunno.

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[betsy]

Good thing about cell phone  (as Ezra Levant had said) - anyone with a cell-phone can cover a news!

I see ad on news channels, inviting people to submit news stories that they come upon, using their cell phones to cover it.

 

CBC is desperate to not let Polievre win the electipn.  CBC cannot survive without funding.  Who'd donate to keep them afloat?   Especially now that youtube channels and other social platforms and podcasts are really trending.

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

That's a hard argument to reject.  The Rebel may have a constitutional right to join the line to ask questions.

Indeed.

 

It wasn't their fault for having been given a pass to ask questions.  Apparently, they registered as an advocacy group.

 

And....I question as to how they are being labelled by the CBC as not a legitimate journalist organization, when the REBEL NEWS had won a court case against Guilbeault and three other Liberals who blocked them from receiving news updates, as any other journalists.

 

 

Federal Court ordered Liberal MPs to unblock Rebel News, pay fine

https://tnc.news/2024/02/27/federal-court-ordered-liberal-unblock-rebel-fine/

 

Even CBC covered that:

 

 

Court orders environment minister to unblock Rebel News founder on X

Ezra Levant launched legal action 2 years ago claiming the minister was violating his constitutional rights

Levant argued that his inability to see or respond to Guilbeault's posts on the platform limited his ability to engage in debate on matters of public concern.

 

However, under the order, the minister must ensure his X account unblocks Levant immediately and remains unblocked for as long as Guilbeault remains a member of Parliament.

The court also ordered the government to pay $20,000 toward Rebel's legal expenses.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/steven-guilbeault-must-unblock-ezra-levant-1.6964294

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[betsy]

Since this is relevant t this thread, let me re-post it:

 

t's our media and the Liberals who have been dividing us over the years, even way before TRUMP!   Remember when Harper was running for PM?

 

In this news coverage of the French Debate -

 

near the end of this segment - CBC Rosemary Barton started on her DIVISIVE tactics - by pointing out that TRUE NORTH is a "VERY RIGHT-WING" website!

 

And, you're a very LIBERAL propaganda tool masquerading as a "news channel!"  Thanks to taxpayers!

 

 

"these people.....," you arrogant, small-minded cow!

 

 

 

timer:  10:55

 

 

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[betsy]

12 hours ago, eyeball said:

What's at issue is that they're political advocates. These have zero business being in a press pool of any sort in any capacity no matter what their ideology

That's not to say there isn't room for independent journalists but they shouldn't be registered political advocates as well.

They belong outside with the bloggers and influencers like any other mouthpiece with an opinion.

 

 

That's not their fault that they were given a pass to ask questions.

They've registered as a political advocacy group!

 

 

Furthermore - what's the difference between them and the CBC?  😁

 

One is funded by taxpayers, that's one difference.  So, they have the "semblance" of legitimacy.

And, we're lulled into thinking they are, because they look like a news channel!

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[betsy]

I applaud TRUE NORTH, though for having caught Carney off-guard with those questions.

 

 

CARNEY says “two sexes” but dodges on WOMEN'S SPACES in TENSE GENDER exchange

 

 

 

 

Those questions should have been asked in the formal debate to all candidates. WHY?

  TRUMP IS BIG ON WOKE........ AND PROTECTING WOMEN'S IDENTITY!

Those could come on the negotiating table.....or, on how we do Trade.

 

 

Trump administration asks French companies to comply with DEI ban

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20250329-trump-diversity-equity-inclusion-dei-france-companies-executive-order-usa-europe-ban

 

 

CBC didn't ask them!  It probably never even occurred to them, how those questions are really RELEVANT!

They got upstaged by True North! 🤣

 

 

 

Edited April 21 by betsy

[betsy]

Here is the full CBC coverage of the French debate - and the post-debate discussion about the fiasco, which ended up dominating most of their post-debate analysis.  The facial expressions on Barton and Cochran are obviously tensed.

 

 

Timer: 4:26:20

 

 

[Michael Hardner]

5 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

1. Billboard vans aren't the only way to spread biased political propaganda.

2. That aside, the main problem with the debates was the Debate Commission rules/decisions and The Hill reporter freaking out unprofessionally and creating a security situation.

1. If there's another way, that's on a par with that, any press outlet should be thoroughly admonished for using it.  I can't think of one. 

 

2. That's a legitimate point of view, and the one echoed by Jesse Brown of Canadaland

58 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

That's a hard argument to reject.  The Rebel may have a constitutional right to join the line to ask questions.  Can you reject them for being clowns?  I dunno.

You can't really reject them for being bad at journalism. Otherwise, lots of other post media outlets would be rejected. 

You can reject them for not being journalists though.