Carney admits there are only two genders and also confirms that this is Canada for some reason.

TreeBeard · April 17

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Do you pay attention to what you look at?

In this case, no. Apologies. The number is in the thousands, not the hundreds of thousands. Point remains the same though, even if it’s actually only 6,000.

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Of course biological sex is binary. An abnormal birth does not change basic biological facts.

What sex is someone with both genitals? Male or female?

CouchPotato · April 17

6 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

So you say biological sex is binary, and then you go on to explain how biological sex isn’t totally binary.

No. What I said was intersex is not a sex. It's a mutation. I'm sure it is a very confusing condition to deal with, but a mutation does not constitute an entire sex. If an M and M comes out at the factory with green and red coloring and is slightly misshapen it is not a new type of M and M.

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herbie · April 17

If this is an issue for you in deciding who runs the country be thankful you even can vote.
But seeing as it's a totally irrelevant to dick shit GUT ISSUE it appeals to your so-called conservative values.

CouchPotato · April 17

2 minutes ago, herbie said:

If this is an issue for you in deciding who runs the country be thankful you even can vote.
But seeing as it's a totally irrelevant to dick shit GUT ISSUE it appeals to your so-called conservative values.

If it's not an issue for you, don't worry about it, herbie. Were you this upset when CBC asked Pierre Poilievre the same question?

It's a very relevant issue to many female athletes.

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Army Guy · April 17

2 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

You’re denying that there are cases where someone is born with both male and female genitalia, for instance?

I agree with treebeards statement....but i think where the left goes off the tracks is when they demand that there is indefinite amount of genders, one could identify as a fire truck and demand they use made up pronouns as well. not sure how all of this passes the science sniff test, and how government has been sucked into this fantasy.

Legato · April 17

Army Guy · April 17

9 minutes ago, herbie said:

If this is an issue for you in deciding who runs the country be thankful you even can vote.
But seeing as it's a totally irrelevant to dick shit GUT ISSUE it appeals to your so-called conservative values.

Yes, it is ,it proves that massive lobby groups can force their fantasy's into governmental policies, all with any real reality feeding their mental health problems.

blackbird · April 17

15 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

In this case, no. Apologies. The number is in the thousands, not the hundreds of thousands. Point remains the same though, even if it’s actually only 6,000.

What sex is someone with both genitals? Male or female?

No, I doubt there are thousands, but the point is it is a birth defect, not a new gender or sex.

Someone born with both genitals apparently has some physical characteristics of both sexes, nothing more. No, they are not a new sex; it is a abnormality, that's all.

WestCanMan · April 17

2 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

You’re denying that there are cases where someone is born with both male and female genitalia, for instance?

That has nothing to do with the topic of "convincing children that transitioning is normal and easy".

No one is saying that people stuck between genders shouldn't get help. That's beyond disingenuous. When you talk about surgeries for them do we accuse you of offering them MAID?

CdnFox · April 17

37 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

So you say biological sex is binary, and then you go on to explain how biological sex isn’t totally binary.

I think partisan idiocy might be colouring your answer a bit there. There are good resources online for basic biology.

If some people have an apple or an orange and other people have an apple and an orange there's still only two fruit.

WestCanMan · April 17

30 minutes ago, herbie said:

If this is an issue for you in deciding who runs the country be thankful you even can vote.
But seeing as it's a totally irrelevant to dick shit GUT ISSUE it appeals to your so-called conservative values.

There's an issue being discussed here that's broader than just what Carney thinks about this topic.

It's "is Carney still just telling lies to get votes".

CouchPotato · April 17

Among the list of 72 genders there are multiple ones where a person's gender changes in certain situations.. sometimes you might be more one gender than the other. For instance there is one called mirrorgender where, as I understand it, your gender changes based on the people surrounding you. I assume the idea is that you mirror the predominant gender around you.

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TreeBeard · April 17

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

No, I doubt there are thousands, but the point is it is a birth defect, not a new gender or sex.

Someone born with both genitals apparently has some physical characteristics of both sexes, nothing more. No, they are not a new sex; it is an abnormality, that's all.

So if there is ONLY male and female, which one are they?

CouchPotato · April 17

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

So if there is ONLY male and female, which one are they?

I think it depends. In most cases I think they are discernibly male or female with certain mutations. But even if not, they would belong to no discernible sex. It is not a third sex. It is merely a mutation between two sexes. There is no third set of genitalia involved.

if I were born in the vicinity of Chernobyl and had a third arm would I be human? If so, would the statement that humans have two arms become incorrect?

But once again, this is not what the topic of this thread is about. And once again, I think you know that.

Do you think CBC was out of line for asking this question to Pierre?

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TreeBeard · April 18

2 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

In most cases I think they are discernibly male or female

And in the cases where they aren’t discernible?

CouchPotato · April 18

19 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

And in the cases where they aren’t discernible?

I have already answered that. If it is not discernable then they are neither one or the other. It is not a new sex. The same way someone born with any other type of mutation is not a new variety of homo sapiens.

Now you. Do you think it was a distraction for CBC to ask this question of Pierre Poilievre? And do you think intersex is what people are talking about here? Do you have anything to discuss which is relevant to the topic here?

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TreeBeard · April 18

45 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

If it is not discernable then they are neither one or the other.

So sex isn’t binary. We agree.

Unless you’re saying sex is binary, but these people are neither male nor female, nor any other sex. You would have to be an imbecile to hold that view.

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CouchPotato · April 18

3 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

So sex isn’t binary. We agree.

Unless you’re saying sex is binary, but these people are neither male nor female, nor any other sex. That would just be retarded.

They are of no particular sex. The sexes are male and female. Still binary. The fact that they are a mutation of the two sexes reinforces that sex is binary. There is no third sex.

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TreeBeard · April 18

33 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

The sexes are male and female.

33 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

They are of no particular sex.

These two statements are contradictory.

CouchPotato · April 18

9 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

These two statements are contradictory.

No they are not. There are two sexes. People who are of no clear sex are of no clear sex. That is not a new sex. Humans have five digits on each hand. If someone has a mutation where they have an extra digit they are not a new type of human.

Once again this has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Edited April 18 by CouchPotato

TreeBeard · April 18

1 hour ago, CouchPotato said:

If someone has a mutation where they have an extra digit

Hands only ever have 5 fingers. Except if they have a mutation where there are 6.

You’re not equipped to even have a conversation if you can’t see that it’s contradictory to say biological sex is binary, except when it’s not.

Army Guy · April 18

19 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

So if there is ONLY male and female, which one are they?

Are you saying that medical professionals can not able to make that call based on medical knowledge...before all this gender stuff became a issue what did they do then....

TreeBeard · April 19

9 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Are you saying that medical professionals can not able to make that call based on medical knowledge...before all this gender stuff became an issue what did they do then....

The medical community doesn’t claim that biological sex is binary.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/heres-why-human-sex-is-not-binary/

“The main problem with a strong dichotomy is that there are intermediate cases that push the limits and ask us to figure out exactly where the dividing line is between males and females,” says Arthur Arnold at the University of California, Los Angeles, who studies biological sex differences.

Edited April 19 by TreeBeard

CdnFox · April 19

52 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

The medical immunity doesn’t claim that biological sex is binary.

It absolutely claims the biological sex is binary

Army Guy · April 19

15 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

The medical community doesn’t claim that biological sex is binary.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/heres-why-human-sex-is-not-binary/

“The main problem with a strong dichotomy is that there are intermediate cases that push the limits and ask us to figure out exactly where the dividing line is between males and females,” says Arthur Arnold at the University of California, Los Angeles, who studies biological sex differences.

One study does not represent the entire medical community. The medical community assigns the sex to each baby that is born in a hospital, and describes that on their birth certificate....how many birth certificates read fire truck as a gender., or any other of the millions of genders there are today....upon birth it reads male or female, and in some cases that you suggested, i'm unclear what it says....but those cases are rare, where people are born with both sexs...