What is wrong with Conservative party these days? Is someone demonizing it?

[myata]

11 hours ago, taxme said:

is the lying and fake leftist liberal Canadian media and other left wing political party's.

Right. Everyone else is wrong if only you join our saliva-spilling cult of rage and (plastic?) straw nonsense. Luckily for us (irony, surprise) these days one doesn't have to guess where it ends.

You are a fine demonstration of the point of the post. Thanks are due and I've no doubt you're feeling so proud.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, myata said:

Right. Everyone else is wrong if only you join our saliva-spilling cult of rage and (plastic?) straw nonsense. Luckily for us (irony, surprise) these days one doesn't have to guess where it ends.

You are a fine demonstration of the point of the post. Thanks are due and I've no doubt you're feeling so proud.

Dude you can't even speak proper English your brain functions are obviously impaired. I don't think you're in any position to refer to anyone else as being in a saliva spitting cult of rage given your posts

[CouchPotato]

3 hours ago, myata said:

Everyone else is wrong if only you join our saliva-spilling cult of rage and (plastic?) straw nonsense.

A saliva-spilling cult of rage and plastic? straw nonsense? How do I join?

[myata]

19 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

How do I join?

Just look you around, only with eyes open, important. May be in for a surprise

[myata]

Rage pumping, vandalizing election signs, attempts at intimidation of voters - this seems all new normal and welcome in the new Conservative party. 

There's been no statements. Glaring, deafening silence.

And next, they'll take it over well on the way already. One - two, no guessing needed. Maple maga is here and anyone with a bit of a functioning brain has to understand that the time to stand to it is: now.

There's no place for maga in Canada. Laugh it out, ostracize it out and drive it out from our country.

 

Edited Sunday at 04:57 AM by myata

[SpankyMcFarland]

Why have the Tories been so late to produce a costed platform? That’s one thing an opposition party should always be ahead with to establish they are serious about governing. What else do they have to do? Tardiness on this front is campaign malpractice. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-no-platform-yet-1.7514480

 

 

 

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Why have the Tories been so late to produce a costed platform? T

That should be freaking obvious even to you

If they had put it out before the liberals, then the liberals would steal their ideas and adjust their own platform to lie about it so that it looked better than the conservatives

Now the liberals had to put theirs out first and the conservatives can put theirs out without having to worry so much about the liberal stealing it.

90% of Carney's policies are directly lifted from Poilievre. He knew that what Poilievre was saying was extremely popular and just said exactly the same thing. His budget shows that he has no intent to deliver on any of that except the spending, it was all political gamesmanship

Now Poilievre will release his probably Tuesday or so fully and that's what will be the conversation topic for the last week of the election and it will be too late for the liberals to try and rewrite theirs

To be honest in the future I would love to see a rule that you cannot participate in the debate unless you have produced a fully costed platform. I can see parties wanting to keep their cards close to their chest early on but by the time we're going to a debate which is specifically to discuss the pros and cons of each party you should have put out a platform and parties must be encouraged to do that. It also sets a hard date so that parties know they can release their platform pretty much at the same time to reduce the chance of theft

[SpankyMcFarland]

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That should be freaking obvious even to you

If they had put it out before the liberals, then the liberals would steal their ideas and adjust their own platform to lie about it so that it looked better than the conservatives

Now the liberals had to put theirs out first and the conservatives can put theirs out without having to worry so much about the liberal stealing it.

90% of Carney's policies are directly lifted from Poilievre. He knew that what Poilievre was saying was extremely popular and just said exactly the same thing. His budget shows that he has no intent to deliver on any of that except the spending, it was all political gamesmanship

Now Poilievre will release his probably Tuesday or so fully and that's what will be the conversation topic for the last week of the election and it will be too late for the liberals to try and rewrite theirs

To be honest in the future I would love to see a rule that you cannot participate in the debate unless you have produced a fully costed platform. I can see parties wanting to keep their cards close to their chest early on but by the time we're going to a debate which is specifically to discuss the pros and cons of each party you should have put out a platform and parties must be encouraged to do that. It also sets a hard date so that parties know they can release their platform pretty much at the same time to reduce the chance of theft

No, no. PP carping about Carney’s platform without having one of his own looks amateurish. Not serious. All opposition parties have to do this first. Let Carney copy if he wants and mock him for it. Releasing it after the debate is ridiculous. It should have been out weeks ago when it could have framed what the election was about. 
 

 

Edited Sunday at 05:46 PM by SpankyMcFarland

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

No, no. PP carping about Carney’s platform without having one of his own looks amateurish.

Not even a little bit. Sorry.

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Not serious. All opposition parties have to do this first. Let Carney copy if he wants and mock him for it. Releasing it after the debate is ridiculous. It should have been out weeks ago when it could have framed what the election was about. 

Awww look at you, trying desperately to defend your party's bad behavior  How cute  

If you have to take the time to mock somebody else for bad behavior then you're not talking about your own policies which is death. As it is he can still mock Carney for Carney's policy and then enjoy taking the time to talk about his after everyone's done laughing at carney

I get that your big mad that the usual liberal tactics aren't working and that you are hoping to dishonestly steal the election through deceit and lying and are pissed off that you have to put forward your own policy

A better question is why didn't Carnie put his policy forward day one?

Last time Aaron O'Toole posted his policies and publish them fully day one and Trudeau spent the rest of the election picking each policy and then putting forward his version of it that was slightly better and he didn't keep his word on any of them. And the liberal voters did not punish him in the slightest, they were proud that he was a thief because basically liberal voters require a certain level of dishonesty in their politicians before they will vote for them

Now carney has put his forward and he's getting all the spotlight for just how terrible it is. Nobody likes it, everybody hates it, even the CBC who is trying desperately to spend it is struggling like hell to explain why it's good that we will have another 2 billion dollars of debt in 4 years with no end in sight.

Now Poilievre can put forward his vision and people will be talking about how much more fiscally responsible it is, how better it delivers the services and functions we need, and carney will have to play catch up

Carney is already beginning to fall in the polls and there is an excellent chance that this is going to lead to his collapse. And frankly it couldn't happen to a nicer guy
 

Edited Sunday at 05:54 PM by CdnFox

[SpankyMcFarland]

So if Carney hadn’t produced one until the eve of Election Day you’d have advised PP not to produce one at all? Who is the Oppostion here, trying to get itself known and self-defined? 

Edited Sunday at 06:40 PM by SpankyMcFarland

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

So if Carney hadn’t produced one until the eve of Election Day you’d have advised PP not to produce one at all?

That wouldn't be all that abnormal in Canadian politics actually. Although in reality i'd advised him to release it about the thursday before the election when it's too late for the libs to copy it and then soak up the news cycle. 

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Who is the Oppostion here, trying to get itself known and self-defined? 

What could the liberals say? They wouldn't have released one either. You simply make campaign promises and not worry about costing. you can get away with that if the other guy hasnt' done one either. 

[CouchPotato]

So the big story is the Liberals just released a costed platform yesterday and I am supposed to think the Conservatives look bad now. If the Conservatives released one a few days before the Liberals would we even be talking about this?

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

So the big story is the Liberals just released a costed platform yesterday and I am supposed to think the Conservatives look bad now. If the Conservatives released one a few days before the Liberals would we even be talking about this?

You need to understand that it's a liberals do it then obviously it's perfectly normal, but it's a conservatives do exactly the same thing then they're terrible awful evil people. Once you understand that it all makes sense

[SpankyMcFarland]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

That wouldn't be all that abnormal in Canadian politics actually. Although in reality i'd advised him to release it about the thursday before the election when it's too late for the libs to copy it and then soak up the news cycle. 

So you’d advise the leading opposition party to release its platform when it’s too late to have any effect? That sounds like deliberate self-harm to me. 

[herbie]

Required extra time to show the bullshit of how cutting all their revenue sources is going to make things better.

But then again some people think the party that's promoting every single campaign step and election promise of Trump, other than mass tariffs and deportations, is going to protect us from him.

[blackbird]

20 hours ago, myata said:

There's no place for maga in Canada.

There's no "MAGA" in Canada.  You must watching too much U.S. Trump news.

[myata]

Just look it's the final, rock bottom argument, "f-ck him". No explanations possible no reason added just pure bottom rage and hate. By late in their useless lives they mastered one word, finally. Look at them, don't turn away. Do you want to be like them?

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

There's no "MAGA" in Canada.

The word is: a mental block. You convince yourself that the reality doesn't exist. That you can just shrug it away with a mental whim. They tried it in America, sure. And no need to guess where it's gotten them. Do you want to be like them?

[taxme]

On 4/19/2025 at 2:12 AM, CouchPotato said:

A saliva-spilling cult of rage and plastic? straw nonsense? How do I join?

Even becoming an envron"mental" wacko is being a part of a cult. Some cults have been known to end up being the death of anyone who belongs to one of them. Remember Jones town and Waco? Stay away from cults. They are not good for your health. Just saying. 

[CouchPotato]

4 minutes ago, taxme said:

Even becoming an envron"mental" wacko is being a part of a cult. Some cults have been known to end up being the death of anyone who belongs to one of them. Remember Jones town and Waco? Stay away from cults. They are not good for your health. Just saying. 

Yeah but this one myata is talking about sounds cool.

[Gaétan]

Poilievre threatens to cut off funding to universities where there are protests against the Palestinian genocide, what a cursed corrupt heartless!

[myata]

I'm seriously worried about the degradation of the formerly conservative movement down the same trajectory, with the same warning points as earlier the Republican party. In other encounters, on social media I see the same exact trend: an out of hand dismissal of any points that contradict the dogma, cursing, meaningless and pathetic personal attacks and I mean 100% without as much as an attempt to see past it. It has to mean something. An individual with a working objective mind understands that nothing, not an individual, not any entity and/or ideology can be correct and right always, 100% of the cases. Conservatives in Canada are being consumed by hateful maga mentality and are moving down the same cultist path.

[herbie]

You are correct in that view. From their performance of reverting the 'Loyal Opposition' into a Republicanesque "Sheer Obstructionist" group, to their adoption of nothing but backwards looking policies and sloganism, down to the pettiness of plastic bloody straws.
I did not support them previously this century due to a complete lack of environmental and climate policy and certainly won't with Poilievre's outright hostility and promise to reverse every bit of any such policy if elected.
As well as his feeding of the frenzied that refuse to accept scientific and medical proofs that addictions are an affliction and only see it as criminality to be solved by forced incarceration.
Added to their ass backwards 19th century attitude that crime is a severe issue that can only be cured by more severe sentences.
Promising to cut foreign aid is the newest low they'll stoop to in an effort to attract the lowest common denominator of the public.