What is wrong with Conservative party these days? Is someone demonizing it?

[myata]

A random or inspired coincidence, I came across a post in one of the soc media feeds at to "what's really wrong with CPC campaign" and then, right here "The CPC is nothing at all like the Republican party".

So I thought, true, it's wrong when and if politics is reduced to making an adversary, then enemy, and then, an existential opposite of the political opponent. Is someone inventing this antagonistic view? Is it fictional? All valid questions.

For that reason I looked and tried to understand it. And here's the list, in my view and assessment entirely objective and factual why following my analysis of this reality, and facts in it I have to conclude that yes, indeed Canadian conservatives have stepped on the same path that Republican party was on some years or decades earlier, and if they fail to see it, and correct it now, it will lead them, all the way, to the same dismal and disgusting destination. Which is right here, before our eyes.

1.  Vicious personal attacks in all channels as opposed to civilized and respectful arguments. This is U.S. style politics and we can watch in real time where it leads.
2. Repeated and persistent spreading of false pseudo-information, insinuations and claims targeting the individual as opposed to their policy. U.S. politics, worst of.
3. Apparent refusal to condemn uncivilized and criminal campaign tactics as widespread interference with election signs and commit fully and unconditionally to the rules and practices of civilized democratic campaigning.
4. Less than a clear, unconditional and unequivocal answer to the question about accepting the results of election.
5. Closeness, tight control of the media access in this critical time when Canadians have the full right to learn as much as possible of their candidates.
6. Shameful and shameless avoidance of candidate debates that appears to be the set policy of the said party.
7. Failure and/or blatant refusal to heed concerns of Canadians in answering questions about the security clearance - even in these troubling times in the world.
8. Some weird statements about women.
9. Absence of clear priorities and strategy in the international politics and the economy.
10. Confused, self-contradictory or deliberately misleading claims like doing more trade with the U.S. (how? in exchange for what?) to build up "sovereignty".
11. Endorsement by most grotesque U.S. MAGA personalities including Musk, Jones, Shapiro, Tucker Carson and others.

 

Can't say this is all, can be more on further thought. So yes, there are reasons and they are objective, real and factual.

Edited Sunday at 02:45 PM by myata

[I am Groot]

20 minutes ago, myata said:

 Vicious personal attacks in all channels as opposed to civilized and respectful arguments. This is U.S. style politics and we can watch in real time where it leads.

Personal attacks really started when Reform came to Ottawa. Not BY Reform, but against them, by sneering lib-left political parties like the PCs and Liberals as well as their liberal allies in the mass media. It's only gotten worse since then, led by the Liberals and their American advisors.

20 minutes ago, myata said:

Repeated and persistent spreading of false pseudo-information, insinuations and claims targeting the individual as opposed to their policy. U.S. politics, worst of.

One of the major tactics of the Liberal 'rat pack' during the Mulroney era was to call him a liar - generally without evidence, just to get headlines. Often they'd be thrown out of the House of Commons for it, which they reveled in because it would get it into the news "Mulroney called liar". It was basically Joseph Goebbels's tactic of repeating something so often people believed there must be fire under all that smoke.

20 minutes ago, myata said:

Apparent refusal to condemn uncivilized and criminal campaign tactics as widespread interference with election signs and commit fully and unconditionally to the rules and practices of civilized democratic campaigning.

It's been pretty carefully brought to light that the Liberals not only refused to condemn Chinese government interference in our elections but have held the door wide for them, covering up the interference as much as possible and efusing to implement any of the recommendations to combat that interference because it's always benefiting them.

20 minutes ago, myata said:

Less than a clear, unconditional and unequivocal answer to the question about accepting the results of election.

Does the word 'Yes', not resonate with you?

20 minutes ago, myata said:

Closeness, tight control of the media access in this critical time when Canadians have the full right to learn as much as possible of their candidates.

Where does Mark Carney pay his taxes? Where has he paid them the last twenty years? How much money doe she have? What is it invested in? What about those tax shelters in the Caribbean with his name on them at an address Obama called the worst tax scam in the world? Where is Carney today? Oh, right, he got angry that the media were asking questions about Chinese interference, stormed out and cancelled his future events to come back to Ottawa and hide from the media.

20 minutes ago, myata said:

Shameful and shameless avoidance of candidate debates that appears to be the set policy of the said party.

Mark Carney refused to take part in the first French debate, saying it cost too much. 

20 minutes ago, myata said:

Failure and/or blatant refusal to heed concerns of Canadians in answering questions about the security clearance - even in these troubling times in the world.

I don't think Poilievre has addressed and explained this more than five or six dozen times, supported by Tom Mulcair and others.

20 minutes ago, myata said:

Some weird statements about women.

Imagine thinking women have a biological clock! The shame!

20 minutes ago, myata said:

Absence of clear priorities and strategy in the international politics and the economy.

And the strategy and priority of the Liberals is... uh... uhm... huhhhh... uhmm... aaaa... uhmmm.?

20 minutes ago, myata said:

Can't say this is all, can be more on further thought. So yes, there are reasons and they are objective, real and factual.

So is bullshit. And that's what your whole post was. Bullshit.

Edited Sunday at 03:01 PM by I am Groot

[myata]

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Personal attacks really started when Reform came to Ottawa. Not BY Reform, but against them, by sneering lib-left political parties like the PCs and Liberals

Sure. So if the guy happens to stand next to you pulls his pants and sticks a finger into his a$$ do you feel obliged to do the same? This is a choice. Everyone is responsible for their choices, every time. Most humans learn it by adulthood. What seems to be the problem?

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Does the word 'Yes',

Lying

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

to take part in the first French debate

Lying. I'm not going to continue because it's a waste of time. Sad to see people letting go of their ability to think independently and objectively but in this age, there can be no explanations only the choices. Chose to enter the dumb wagon - have to ride it all the way to the consequences. Often one way, too. Good luck.

Edited Sunday at 07:30 PM by myata

[Legato]

2 minutes ago, myata said:

Sure. So if the guy happens to stand next to you pulls his pants and stick a finger into his a$$ do you feel obliged to do the same? This is a choice. Everyone is responsible for their choices, every time. Most humans learn it by adulthood. What seems to be the problem?

Lying

Lying. I'm not going to continue because it's a waste of time. Sad to see people letting go of their ability to think independently and objectively but in this age, there can be no explanations only the choices. Chose to enter the dumb wagon - have to ride it all the way to the consequences. Often one way, too. Good luck.

What are you wearing?

[I am Groot]

2 minutes ago, myata said:

Sure. So if the guy happens to stand next to you pulls his pants and stick a finger into his a$$ do you feel obliged to do the same?

Oh, wait. Now you're claiming both sides do it? So why your long, whiny list of things the Conservatives allegedly do?

2 minutes ago, myata said:

Lying

No, you're a propagandizing fool.

2 minutes ago, myata said:

Lying. 

What's a lie? He refused to take part in the debate. Are you that far gone you're literally denying reality now?

[myata]

4 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

What's a lie?

It wasn't an official debate, an event proposed by one media channel out of many in the country. You can check the schedule of the official debates or ask someone who can read if it's a challenge.

[myata]

10 minutes ago, Legato said:

What are you wearing?

You know what? It's a really nice spring day here and what if I make it even more enjoyable by making that the last stupid thing from you that I'll ever see? To think of it...

[Legato]

2 hours ago, myata said:

You know what? It's a really nice spring day here and what if I make it even more enjoyable by making that the last stupid thing from you that I'll ever see? To think of it...

Think?

[CdnFox]

I love that you started a thread about how the right is insulting by Being highly insulting to the right and continuing it throughout the entire thread    

But I suppose that's all a lying communist like yourself has to offer, hypocrisy.

[myata]

Look at them: if you rather not see yourself this way, in the mirror tomorrow, the time to think and decide is now. Life may not be easy and not all questions can have instant and easy answers. But you don't have to go down and become like them. This is a choice, not an obligation. While you have a human brain, there's always a choice.

[CouchPotato]

2 hours ago, myata said:

Look at them: if you rather not see yourself this way, in the mirror tomorrow, the time to think and decide is now. Life may not be easy and not all questions can have instant and easy answers. But you don't have to go down and become like them. This is a choice, not an obligation. While you have a human brain, there's always a choice.

 

So unless I vote Liberal I am going to look like those guys?

myata, you act like a child. This is the way a child argues. All emotion, no substance. You are an adult right?

Where in the CPC platform does it mention banning Muslims, deporting gays (if I am not mistaken Poilievre's step dad is gay), or jailing women who have abortions? Stopping immigrants at the border who are trying to enter illegally is something I think most Canadians would be on board with.

Edited Sunday at 09:48 PM by CouchPotato

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, myata said:

Look at them: if you rather not see yourself this way, in the mirror tomorrow,

People would rather see themselves like that then see themselves like you, You mentally deranged communist garden gnome.

[I am Groot]

6 hours ago, myata said:

 

1. Repeated and persistent spreading of false pseudo-information, insinuations and claims targeting the individual as opposed to their policy. U.S. politics, worst of.
2. Apparent refusal to condemn uncivilized and criminal campaign tactics as widespread interference with election signs and commit fully and unconditionally to the rules and practices of civilized democratic campaigning.

I wait with bated breath Myata's angry denunciation of such 'maga' tactics.

Two Liberal Party staffers attended last week's Canada Strong and Free Networking (CSFN) Conference where they planted buttons that used Trump-style language and highlighted division within the Conservative Party.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-oppo-csfn-1.7509217

[herbie]

Oh FFS myata you're talking with people who think the CPC isn't far enough to the right. Who wish Bernier would go away because they so badly need his supporters.

[CdnFox]

46 minutes ago, herbie said:

Oh FFS myata you're talking with people who think the CPC isn't far enough to the right. Who wish Bernier would go away because they so badly need his supporters.

"Far right" to you is anyone who isn't left of your hero stalin. 

[myata]

16 hours ago, I am Groot said:

angry denunciation of such 'maga' tactics.

I do not support and certainly condemn any attempts at dishonest campaigning whichever side they are coming from. I do not also appreciate non-professional substandard imitation of journalism. What is "staffer"? Why use jargon that means nothing to anyone outside of the political circle?

Were they volunteers, paid employees of Liberal party or officials of the party itself? Is there any evidence that it was authorized by the campaign management?

Seriously a "senior reporter" wouldn't have an idea of the difference?

Anyways, anyone who isn't blind and dump can see the difference in bold and obvious script here

- Liberal leader immediately condemned the acts

- We are still waiting, and most likely in wain for Poilievre to call his goons to stop damaging campaign signage that is also a federal criminal offense.

Right in their eyes and they wouldn't see it, point blank. Who's surprised though?

 

Edited Monday at 02:00 PM by myata

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, myata said:

I do not support and certainly condemn any attempts at dishonest campaigning whichever side they are coming from.

 

You fully support it and in fact participate in it regularly. As long as it's your side doing it you're okay

[SpankyMcFarland]

Naughty, naughty:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-carney-liberals-conservative-buttons/

It does show where some Liberals think the Tories are vulnerable. Frankly, I think it is a vulnerability in the current political atmosphere. 

 

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Naughty, naughty:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-carney-liberals-conservative-buttons/

It does show where some Liberals think the Tories are vulnerable. Frankly, I think it is a vulnerability in the current political atmosphere. 

 

Well I think that every liberal and every conservative thinks the conservatives are vulnerable. In this case specifically they felt he was vulnerable to lies. They need to craft an image that he is trump which he isn't. But everybody everywhere is vulnerable to misinformation if it's done right.

I think what is more interesting is they're worried that the truth isn't going to be enough to stop him. They feel he's enough of a risk despite their lead that they have to use these cheap kinds of tricks to try and win.

I wonder what kind of internal polling numbers they've been looking at? You don't pull this kind of nonsense when you're actually ahead

[myata]

23 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Frankly, I think it is a vulnerability in the current political atmosphere. 

Well, why one want to disagree with the reality in our plain sight?

One leader reacts immediately, clearly and strongly. And the other just cannot be reached, nothing is answering.

What else is needed to get it?

[blackbird]

On 4/13/2025 at 7:40 AM, myata said:

A random or inspired coincidence, I came across a post in one of the soc media feeds at to "what's really wrong with CPC campaign" and then, right here "The CPC is nothing at all like the Republican party".

So I thought, true, it's wrong when and if politics is reduced to making an adversary, then enemy, and then, an existential opposite of the political opponent. Is someone inventing this antagonistic view? Is it fictional? All valid questions.

For that reason I looked and tried to understand it. And here's the list, in my view and assessment entirely objective and factual why following my analysis of this reality, and facts in it I have to conclude that yes, indeed Canadian conservatives have stepped on the same path that Republican party was on some years or decades earlier, and if they fail to see it, and correct it now, it will lead them, all the way, to the same dismal and disgusting destination. Which is right here, before our eyes.

1.  Vicious personal attacks in all channels as opposed to civilized and respectful arguments. This is U.S. style politics and we can watch in real time where it leads.
2. Repeated and persistent spreading of false pseudo-information, insinuations and claims targeting the individual as opposed to their policy. U.S. politics, worst of.
3. Apparent refusal to condemn uncivilized and criminal campaign tactics as widespread interference with election signs and commit fully and unconditionally to the rules and practices of civilized democratic campaigning.
4. Less than a clear, unconditional and unequivocal answer to the question about accepting the results of election.
5. Closeness, tight control of the media access in this critical time when Canadians have the full right to learn as much as possible of their candidates.
6. Shameful and shameless avoidance of candidate debates that appears to be the set policy of the said party.
7. Failure and/or blatant refusal to heed concerns of Canadians in answering questions about the security clearance - even in these troubling times in the world.
8. Some weird statements about women.
9. Absence of clear priorities and strategy in the international politics and the economy.
10. Confused, self-contradictory or deliberately misleading claims like doing more trade with the U.S. (how? in exchange for what?) to build up "sovereignty".
11. Endorsement by most grotesque U.S. MAGA personalities including Musk, Jones, Shapiro, Tucker Carson and others.

 

Can't say this is all, can be more on further thought. So yes, there are reasons and they are objective, real and factual.

Your claims are false.  You are pretending he is a MAGA but what he has said has nothing to do with Trump or MAGA.  What you are claiming is a pure Liberal/NDP lie that the gullible like you swallow.  Pierre Poilievre has answered questions, has given his plan, has explained why he doesn't take a security clearance which would prevent him from speaking about foreign interference.  That would mean a security clearance for a party leader is useless.  He has in fact stated repeatedly his clear priorities.  You're just willfully ignoring them and making up phony allegations.

Edited Monday at 05:37 PM by blackbird

[PIK]

On 4/13/2025 at 11:13 AM, myata said:

Sure. So if the guy happens to stand next to you pulls his pants and sticks a finger into his a$$ do you feel obliged to do the same? This is a choice. Everyone is responsible for their choices, every time. Most humans learn it by adulthood. What seems to be the problem?

Lying

Lying. I'm not going to continue because it's a waste of time. Sad to see people letting go of their ability to think independently and objectively but in this age, there can be no explanations only the choices. Chose to enter the dumb wagon - have to ride it all the way to the consequences. Often one way, too. Good luck.

Anybody that keeps bringing up the security clearance,is not interested in the truth.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, PIK said:

Anybody that keeps bringing up the security clearance,is not interested in the truth.

Or facts. He wouldn't have even been able to discuss carney's ties to political groups had he signed that. You'll notice that neither singh nor may could. If anything this election has vindicated his position

[myata]

OK security of the land doesn't matter. Keep sharing please. These days, everyone can see in live feed how these ideas play out.

[PIK]

17 minutes ago, myata said:

OK security of the land doesn't matter. Keep sharing please. These days, everyone can see in live feed how these ideas play out.

It has nothing to do with that. Trudeau could have told him,if he wanted too. But Trudeau didn't want to anyways. They need the Chinese interference