CdnFox Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 Trump announces 90-day pause on tariffs for non-retaliating countries Sure looks like his people got to him and said this is going to be a disaster and he realized he'd have to back off. The problem is by keeping the tariffs in a paused state instead of saying we're going to stop the talk of tariffs until negotiations are complete he doesn't resolve the fears of the marketplace who will continue to keep their money on the sideline till they see what he does. And of course he's still got the ongoing war with china 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
robosmith Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 Well, it looks like I made 20% on my investments in 5 days. Wonder if I should bail now and take the money and run. Never know what mess Trump will create. Quote
herbie Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 Or did he do it so his billionaires can buy up stocks and then do it again in 90 days? 1 1 Quote
Boges Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 This is what he did with Canada and Mexico on a larger scale. Threaten tariffs and within a day pause them. He can rinse and repeat this act over and over again. Hopefully the world realizes dealing with Trump is like dealing with a toddler trying to get candy and looks for alternatives to their market. 2 Quote
Hodad Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 Clown in Chief just lost his game of chicken with the world. With the price of eggs, it seems so wasteful to wear them on his face. Imagine if someone with a three-digit IQ had been elected. We could have avoid losing trillions of dollars of value to unnecessary economic chaos and kept a shred of our national dignity. Ah, the road not taken. Quote
CdnFox Posted April 9 Author Report Posted April 9 2 hours ago, robosmith said: Well, it looks like I made 20% on my investments in 5 days. Wonder if I should bail now and take the money and run. Never know what mess Trump will create. So basically you bought 5 dollars worth of Mexican slave zucchini and sold it to a neighbor for 5.10 and you're wondering if it's time to get out? Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
gatomontes99 Posted April 9 Report Posted April 9 He got 90 countries to agree to negotiate when they had no interest in negotiating. Did he lose? Uh no. 1 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
CdnFox Posted April 9 Author Report Posted April 9 5 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: He got 90 countries to agree to negotiate when they had no interest in negotiating. Did he lose? Uh no. They had every interest in negotiation. Some of them even had scheduled negotiations. Canada in the US were supposed to enter negotiations about free trade agreement along with Mexico in a handful of months. There's not a country on that list that wouldn't have happily sat down and negotiated with the united states. Sorry. That might be the response republicans are trying to give in order to explain the sudden turnaround or make it look like a victory but the reality is he got nothing he wouldn't have had already Seriously, which of those nations did he reach out to and they said 'we won't negotiate'? None. 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
gatomontes99 Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: They had every interest in negotiation. Some of them even had scheduled negotiations. Canada in the US were supposed to enter negotiations about free trade agreement along with Mexico in a handful of months. There's not a country on that list that wouldn't have happily sat down and negotiated with the united states. Sorry. That might be the response republicans are trying to give in order to explain the sudden turnaround or make it look like a victory but the reality is he got nothing he wouldn't have had already Seriously, which of those nations did he reach out to and they said 'we won't negotiate'? None. How many countries negotiated new trade agreements under Biden? None. They had no interest in negotiating. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
CdnFox Posted April 10 Author Report Posted April 10 1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said: How many countries negotiated new trade agreements under Biden? None. How many did he ask? None Every single country he asked negotiated a new trade deal Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
robosmith Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 42 minutes ago, Aristides said: Art of the Steal was declared mostly LIES by the Ghost writer author. Quote Trump is also an inveterate liar, so there’s not much point in parsing the details of some triumphant deal as he recounts them: They have inevitably been altered to reflect favorably on him, so to try to figure out where he’s fudging is to engage in a useless and tedious fact-checking exercise. His Art of… books are works of advertisement—or, as we should say now with the benefit of hindsight, works of propaganda, the production of which is perhaps his main gift. And although these books are all nominally memoirs, Trump is not one for introspection, so we can’t hope to learn much about his inner depths, mostly because he has none: He’s a self-admittedly shallow person. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 8 hours ago, CdnFox said: How many did he ask? None Every single country he asked negotiated a new trade deal No one was willing to negotiate UNTIL Trump threatened Tariffs. Any assertion to the contrary is void of facts. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
Deluge Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 18 hours ago, robosmith said: Well, it looks like I made 20% on my investments in 5 days. Wonder if I should bail now and take the money and run. Never know what mess Trump will create. Bail now and move to China. It's more in line with your thinking anyways. Quote
Aristides Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 18 hours ago, robosmith said: Well, it looks like I made 20% on my investments in 5 days. Wonder if I should bail now and take the money and run. Never know what mess Trump will create. One day blip. Markets on the way down again today. Quote
Deluge Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 1 hour ago, Aristides said: One day blip. Markets on the way down again today. Oh, well. It was fun while it lasted. I guess you'd best get back to the forest and touch trees... 11 hours ago, Aristides said: We're nothing without death, destruction and failure. -- The Left Quote
CdnFox Posted April 10 Author Report Posted April 10 (edited) 3 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: No one was willing to negotiate UNTIL Trump threatened Tariffs. Any assertion to the contrary is void of facts. Everyone was willing. Name ONE country who wasn't willing. Other than china who's still not willing. Canada actually had dates scheduled for negotiations early next year and always said they were happy to negotiate early if there was a need for it. Every single country except china was entirely willing to negotiate even before trump became president and would have afterwards. The tariff thing gained him absolutely nothing in that regard. Who ever turned him down? Britian? germany? France? Nope. Edited April 10 by CdnFox Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
gatomontes99 Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 39 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Canada actually had dates scheduled for negotiations early next year and always said they were happy to negotiate early if there was a need for it. They already had tariffs levied against them and THEN they decided to negotiate. Same with Mexico. They wouldn't negotiate either. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
Nationalist Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 Lol...it's unorthodox but...the whole tariff thing might just work. 1 2 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
CdnFox Posted April 10 Author Report Posted April 10 3 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: They already had tariffs levied against them and THEN they decided to negotiate. Absolutely not. Every single country that is currently prepared to negotiate was absolutely prepared to negotiate before the tariffs and in fact before trump. Like I said, point to one other than china that said they wouldn't. Can you show me where England said they wouldn't negotiate with trump? Can you show me where Canada said that especially considering they'd already had talk scheduled? How about France, when did he ask France to come to the negotiating table and they said no? I've asked several times and you can't provide an answer because you know what you're saying is wrong. Every single one of those countries would have been happy to sit down and talk if trump had said we need to renegotiate something. Every single one. Absolutely nothing has changed. And in actuality they haven't even agreed to anything, they all reached out to the US and basically said what the hell is going on and let's talk about this, but they haven't agreed to any specific negotiations or any specific topics at all. I'm sure they will and I'm sure they would have before tariffs I can't stress this enough, the whole idea that somehow trump push them into something they wouldn't be willing to do otherwise is nonsense. The only people that weren't willing to do it were china and they're still not willing. So what really happened is his advisor sat down with him and showed him what was happening with the stock market and with business investment and the job numbers and he realized this was going too far too fast and he pulled back. Seriously what he needs to do is drop the whole '90 days' thing and just say 'we're going to be working directly with our trade partners who are now at the table to work out a fair arrangement" and leave it at that. He's going to put the us into a recession at this rate if he doesn't course correct in the next month or so. Look at this performance: That kind of performance can't continue for much longer: Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
CdnFox Posted April 10 Author Report Posted April 10 3 hours ago, Nationalist said: Lol...it's unorthodox but...the whole tariff thing might just work. It's not working at all though. As i noted every single country beside china would have happily responded if he had trade issues to discuss, Canada for example was already booked for negotiations to update the trade agreement HE negotiated with us last time, and not one would have said no, All he's done is trash his own stocks and economy and get people to agree to come to the table who'd have been perfectly willing to do so before if he'd asked. How is this 'working'? I like lots of things trump wants to do and i can respect wanting to push manufacturing back to your own country but this is NOT going well. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
robosmith Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 2 minutes ago, CdnFox said: It's not working at all though. As i noted every single country beside china would have happily responded if he had trade issues to discuss, Canada for example was already booked for negotiations to update the trade agreement HE negotiated with us last time, and not one would have said no, All he's done is trash his own stocks and economy and get people to agree to come to the table who'd have been perfectly willing to do so before if he'd asked. How is this 'working'? I like lots of things trump wants to do and i can respect wanting to push manufacturing back to your own country but this is NOT going well. It's working for all the Trump insiders who are illegally trading on inside information. Like MTG for one.... 1 Quote
Hodad Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 3 hours ago, Nationalist said: Lol...it's unorthodox but...the whole tariff thing might just work. Yeah, just memory hole everything he's been saying for the past month and pretend this is intentional. 1 Quote
Hodad Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 4 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: They already had tariffs levied against them and THEN they decided to negotiate. Same with Mexico. They wouldn't negotiate either. That's pure crap. Any of those countries would have negotiated tariffs--and tried to. And the Trump tariff formulas were not based on tariffs, so clearly that was not the sticking point. You're trying to fanboy retcon maybe the biggest economic blunder in history as 4D chess. It's nonsense. 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted April 10 Report Posted April 10 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: It's not working at all though. As i noted every single country beside china would have happily responded if he had trade issues to discuss, Canada for example was already booked for negotiations to update the trade agreement HE negotiated with us last time, and not one would have said no, All he's done is trash his own stocks and economy and get people to agree to come to the table who'd have been perfectly willing to do so before if he'd asked. How is this 'working'? I like lots of things trump wants to do and i can respect wanting to push manufacturing back to your own country but this is NOT going well. Ya he gave the stock markets a wake-up call. If good deals come of this, I'm not sure it can be condemned. Especially with the manufacturing returning. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
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