Conservatives Have Taken the Lead in Federal Polls

[Barquentine]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

The CBC has always been pro-Liberal, always,

I notice you didn't actually respond to my statement. Harper and Mulroney were bribing the CBC, according to you.

[Legato]

7 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

I notice you didn't actually respond to my statement. Harper and Mulroney were bribing the CBC, according to you.

No they still biased their news to favour the Liberals and against the Harper/Mulroney governments. 

[WestCanMan]

36 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

I notice you didn't actually respond to my statement. Harper and Mulroney were bribing the CBC, according to you.

I actually did respond to that. Your reading comprehension just sucks.

There was a time when funding the CBC made sense, because they were the only source on planet earth servicing the remote regions of Canada. Not funding the CBC would have meant a social and cultural blackout for everything north of Fort MacMurray.

That's no longer the case:

1. the north has access to TV and internet regardless of whether CBC exists or not
2. the money that the CBC is getting from the LPOC has nothing to do with servicing remote regions of Canada at a huge net loss, financially. It is bribery, plain and simple. Same with the money that went to "select" and "secret" media outlets that received $660M from the LPOC before the 2019 and 2021 elections.

If you didn't know that the LPOC was going to give away hundreds of millions of dollars to sycophant media before the 2025 election, you're just an imbecile. 

[CdnFox]

9 hours ago, eyeball said:

To the middle, hopefully resulting in a minority.

 

Does the extreme leftist who thinks the NDP isn't quite left enough for him and wanted to go for the greens

You never know, but generally when these things break they break pretty hard one way or the other.

There is one week to the debates. If the Liberals continue  to slide even a little and the conservatives climb even a little that will set the momentum going into the debate and unless carney does very well he will probably pick up negative momentum coming out of the debate and then you will see people moving back to the block and the NDP insignificant numbers and the CPC will firm up its softer supporters. That will be a CPC majority. If carney can come out of the debate with positive momentum then we might see a liberal minority but chances are he will be right on the edge of a majority.

Poilievre's rallies are just growing. 4,500, 6500, 12,000 to 15,000 last night they're still counting. I think the polls are actually hiding a great deal of conservative momentum. I think the poles are not accurately reflecting what the public sentiment is. And I think we will hit a point where it appears as if there is a sudden change in the public as the pollsters correct a few things so that they don't look like they were completely out to lunch.

And it will appear as though the bottom has dropped out from underneath Kearney but I don't think it was ever there.

But I could be wrong. Canadian politics truly defies prediction

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Barquentine said:

So Harper and Mulroney were bribing the CBC as well, according to you.

Harper and mulroney had to pay the cbc.  But they didn't generally offer them 'goodies'. Harper fought with them plenty for example but the fact is they had enough political support that he coudlnt' shut them down. 

But harper DID cut their budget. And to them, that's stealing money away.  So he didn't bribe them, in their minds he stole their money. 

Harper's long, incremental crusade against the CBC | Canada's National Observer: Climate News

 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Does the extreme leftist who thinks the NDP isn't quite left enough for him and wanted to go for the greens

It's not containing or mitigating the ideology of a PM that's on my mind, it's the power they have that's more important.

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's not containing or mitigating the ideology of a PM that's on my mind, it's the power they have that's more important.

You mean like justin? How's that worked out for canada over the last 10 years?

would you say justin was a 'centrist'? I mean, with a straight face and no booze? 

So much for your theory of 'contained power'   

[Michael Hardner]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...what a surprise. 

Sorry - but I have to point a fine point on it: you're a bit of a conspiracy theorist. 

 

Loosen up.  Mix with people a little more.

Even the unabomber talked to the hardware store guy when he bought nails from him...

[Nationalist]

42 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Sorry - but I have to point a fine point on it: you're a bit of a conspiracy theorist. 

 

Loosen up.  Mix with people a little more.

Even the unabomber talked to the hardware store guy when he bought nails from him...

I do not trust "the system" nor the media. They have lied way too much and get caught regularly.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I do not trust "the system" nor the media. They have lied way too much and get caught regularly.

Why are we even talking about that? You're the problem, loosen up. It doesn't really matter right, we shouldn't look at the man behind the curain after all

- Michael Hardner. 

[Nationalist]

Just now, CdnFox said:

Why are we even talking about that? You're the problem, loosen up. It doesn't really matter right, we shouldn't look at the man behind the curain after all

- Michael Hardner. 

Nope...just believe what they tell you and...hope for the best.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

You mean like justin? How's that worked out for canada over the last 10 years?

Better during the last term than if he'd held a majority.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

would you say justin was a 'centrist'? I mean, with a straight face and no booze? 

As I said many times he was just a dilettante.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

So much for your theory of 'contained power' 

It worked just fine AFAIC. It got us dental care. Which worked out even better given Carney extended it to all Canadians.

I'll pretty confident if Trudeau had a majority during his last term dental care wouldn't have happened at all.

[Michael Hardner]

52 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I do not trust "the system" nor the media. They have lied way too much and get caught regularly.

What you call "lies" are committed by all dispensers of information constantly, even the blessed FOX news like it or not.

Live in the world, my friend.

[Barquentine]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Poilievre's rallies are just growing. 4,500, 6500, 12,000 to 15,000 last night they're still counting. I think the polls are actually hiding a great deal of conservative momentum.

But where will he get added support from? His base stays with him, but he's never going to get much from the other parties. And friends like Preston Manning only make it worse. And I don't think people will go back to the NDP at this point.

[CdnFox]

33 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Better during the last term than if he'd held a majority.

There was no difference between the last term and if he had held the majority. The NDP gave him one for free

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As I said many times he was just a dilettante.

That you supported. And his party supported. And the NDP supported

Seems like the left basically supports dilettants

 

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It worked just fine AFAIC. It got us dental care. Which worked out even better given Carney extended it to all Canadians.

We already had Dental Care. Even says so on the national dental care website. In fact almost nobody who didn't already have dental coverage got dental coverage. And for the cost paid we could have gotten everybody a health plan similar to what most people have through their work but Instead we got basically the same thing we already had

 

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I'll pretty confident if Trudeau had a majority during his last term dental care wouldn't have happened at all.

The vast vast majority of people wouldn't notice a difference. It's helped almost nobody. It's replaced the provincial plan so they pretend like it's helped lots of people but in reality the provincial plans were already helping those people

. And on top of that those same people now cannot afford food or housing. So for a dental plan that only helped a tiny number of people and then not much at all, you've put the health of millions at risk as they can no longer afford food and housing that's appropriate.

That's like saying " Sure, I got put in front of a firing squad but they gave me a free cigarette so it was totally worth it"

[Nationalist]

17 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

What you call "lies" are committed by all dispensers of information constantly, even the blessed FOX news like it or not.

Live in the world, my friend.

Hence I like to go to the internet for news.

The CBC is ridiculous, the US MSM is an extension of the Democrat party, and FOX NEWS...although rather more honest...has its failings.

[Michael Hardner]

7 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Hence I like to go to the internet for news.

The CBC is ridiculous, the US MSM is an extension of the Democrat party, and FOX NEWS...although rather more honest...has its failings.

You can trust me, Nat 😀

[Legato]

9 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

You can trust me, Nat 😀

One example of misleading news is the headline which stated Mark Carney was being "targeted" by a Chinese website.

The correct word should have been "aided".

We see a lot of this from the MSM. 

[Queenmandy85]

On 4/7/2025 at 8:33 AM, WestCanMan said:

TBH, the only momentum that I see for Carney comes from:

1. polls, which are always BS, and
2. the CBC, which is always BS, and they get paid handsomely for it

Did you still fell that way last Jan. 26 when the same polling firms had CPC at 235 seats and the Liberals at 44 seats? 😁

Take heart my friend. Pierre will pull it out and win a majority on April. 28. You have my promise. The only polls that count are on election day. It's in the bag.

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 4/7/2025 at 10:10 AM, Barquentine said:

Maybe, maybe not. Harris kicked Trump's ass in their debate. Didn't help.

The MAGA tribe don’t care about debates. I guess the Tories are hoping new Liberal voters are more open-minded than that. 

[CdnFox]

33 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Did you still fell that way last Jan. 26 when the same polling firms had CPC at 235 seats and the Liberals at 44 seats? 😁

Take heart my friend. Pierre will pull it out and win a majority on April. 28. You have my promise. The only polls that count are on election day. It's in the bag.

Sure. But there was a lot of supporting reasons to believe people felt that way and everyone was upfront saying 'things could change'. 

But polls don't just 'change' for no reason, and in this case the supporting information isn't supporting the change. 

I believe that our elections are for the most part free and fair as well, but if the results come back on Election Day with a 98% victory for the NDP I'm going to say I smell a rat. And that's kind of how the current polling is working

2 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The MAGA tribe don’t care about debates. I guess the Tories are hoping new Liberal voters are more open-minded than that. 

Both your statement and the one you were replying to weren't accurate

Kamala actually did get a bump from the debates. Her problem is that the debates happened early and then she spent the next month with gaffe after gaffe and mistake after mistake.

It will be more accurate to say the debate performance really did not help trump at all which is what everyone was expecting

[SpankyMcFarland]

Even the discussion of polls has become a partisan matter. Is it because you think polls favourable to them will produce a Liberal win? We’ll have to wait and see whether this poll is a random blip or a change in the trajectory of voter intentions. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

31 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Both your statement and the one you were replying to weren't accurate

Kamala actually did get a bump from the debates. Her problem is that the debates happened early and then she spent the next month with gaffe after gaffe and mistake after mistake.

It will be more accurate to say the debate performance really did not help trump at all which is what everyone was expecting

There is such a thing as a core right-wing constituency in the US. Even now Trump has a solid base of support. His brand is incredibly strong.  I think debates matter less than they used to esp. in the US. People are exposed to the candidates for years and party affiliation has become a profound signifier of personal identity down there. 

One trend that is strong in the US at the moment - anti-incumbency. The sitting party has lost three presidential elections in a row. 
 

 

 

Edited April 8 by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

In Canada, the debates could matter this time more than they have in the recent past. Poilievre is an excellent and experienced debater. He will have a big advantage there and will be assisted by Singh and Blanchet in going after Carney. The trap will be to try to all have a go at him at once and create chaos. 

[CdnFox]

37 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

There is such a thing as a core right-wing constituency in the US. Even now Trump has a solid base of support. His brand is incredibly strong.  I think debates matter less than they used to esp. in the US. People are exposed to the candidates for years and party affiliation has become a profound signifier of personal identity down there. 

One trend that is strong in the US at the moment - anti-incumbency. The sitting party has lost three presidential elections in a row. 
 

both the democrats and the republicans have a core. Elections are one by that 15 to 20% of people in the middle who could go either way. That is always the way it is in the states. And to them debates can matter. 

I mean to claim that debates don't matter as much in an election that included what happened to Biden is simply indefensible. The debate changed everything. Literally the whole world was altered by a debate politically speaking.

Kamala's debate didn't have that same huge impact but the reality is not all debates have a knockout and while Kamala performed considerably better than expected all It gave her is a little bump because she had already been significantly inflated by the media. 

But debates very frequently matter. Not every debate is going to have a knockout punch, not every debate is going to change people's minds, but there is no doubt the debates very frequently significantly impact the course of an election both in the United States and Canada. Not always, but often