SpankyMcFarland Posted March 28 Report Posted March 28 15 minutes ago, CdnFox said: elon musk does not own Tesla He is the public face of the company and its CEO, associated with it for twenty years almost since its founding. Does anybody hold more equity in the company than he does? Quote
User Posted March 28 Report Posted March 28 (edited) 10 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: I condemn arson without reservation but what on earth is Musk doing in such a controversial government position? Those associated with a brand are usually very careful about any act or statement that could antagonize customers. By contrast, Musk seems to be actively trolling Tesla fans at this stage. He cares about our country, the debt, the spending, the waste, fraud, and abuse. Tesla is not doing anything. Musk is not acting on behalf of Tesla or any company. We also need to separate people choosing not to purchase products associated with Musk... with those seeking to destroy, threaten, and terrorize the company and those who do purchase products. Also, he was victim to Democrats abusing all levels of government to target him for political retribution. Edited March 28 by User Quote
CdnFox Posted March 28 Report Posted March 28 3 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: He is the public face of the company and its CEO, And does not own it. Period. Burning teslas because you don't like musk is not ok. I don't like the liberals. You vote liberal. If i burn your house down in 'protest' are you ok with that? Oh and what was your address again? Asking for a friend. 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Moonlight Graham Posted March 28 Report Posted March 28 On 3/26/2025 at 9:12 AM, User said: No. So, your point is that the FBI/DOJ should no longer investigate or prosecute any crimes because the President pardoned people? LOL when did I say anything of the sort? On 3/26/2025 at 9:12 AM, User said: Never mind the stupidity of saying no one should cry for Elon here. Unless you now support total anarchy forever? You're clearly illiterate because I literally told you I don't support the violence. I just think he's a hypocrite for whining about political vandalism while being the Jan 6 pardoner's biggest supporter. On 3/26/2025 at 9:12 AM, User said: No, Elon does not own all the dealerships. Tesla is a publicly traded company, and many people own a part of it. Elon does not even have a majority of shares. He owns more than anyone else. Would you like to continue defending this man-baby or is it nap-time for you yet? Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Moonlight Graham Posted March 28 Report Posted March 28 On 3/26/2025 at 12:26 PM, CdnFox said: He does not. Tesla itself owns the dealerships. Musk owns a PORTION of tesla, and not even a majority portion. Tonnes of people have tesla shares in their old age pensions and retirement savings. So that's out the window. BUT it would still be wrong if he did - the people who're about to lose their jobs sure as hell didn't have anything to do with politics, the neighborhoods they're endangering had nothing to do with it, the first responder's who's lives are at risk responding to the fires had nothing to do with it.... at NO point would this be acceptable no matter what. You really need to stop defending terrorism. There is NO excuse for this. Hell I said there was no excuse for j6 and THAT really WAS a protest. This is just outright criminal. I never supported the terrorism, I said Elon is a hypocrite for complaining about this political vandalism while supporting the POTUS who pardoned the Jan 6 terrorists and vandals. Jan 6 was NOT a protest. Protest is speech. Political vandalism, intimidation, threats etc is terrorism, just like the Tesla vandals. Those Jan 6 fools actually believed Trump when he said the election was stolen despite any evidence. They're low-intelligent hooligans, even worse than the dummies who believed George W Bush about Iraq WMDs. At least Dubya came with some fake documents. Trump conned the MAGA-heads like a car salesman. if he said the sky was green they'd believe him. On 3/26/2025 at 12:26 PM, CdnFox said: Once you decide the law doesn't matter and terrorism is ok, then the rule of law breaks down and anything goes and nothing has to make sense. And who has perpetuated these norms, hmmm? You make it ok when you pardon the Jan 6 fools. 2 Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Nationalist Posted March 28 Report Posted March 28 11 hours ago, robosmith said: Common sense is so common and therefore nothing to brag about. LMAO Nothing less than elite sense from me. Elite sense huh... Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
User Posted March 28 Report Posted March 28 6 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: LOL when did I say anything of the sort? You said: "My point was that a Trumpster-in-Chief like Elon has absolutely no leg to stand on complaining about politically-motivated vandalism when he's the #1 supporter of the guy who pardoned all the fools who smashed up the Capitol building on Jan. 6." So, you agree that Elon does have a leg to stand on then? 6 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: You're clearly illiterate because I literally told you I don't support the violence. I just think he's a hypocrite for whining about political vandalism while being the Jan 6 pardoner's biggest supporter. Sure, in the same sentence you said you don't support the violence you said no one should cry for Elon. Well... it is the destruction of property and violence targeting Elon we are "crying" for here. You are sending mixed messages. Also, you have yet to explain what J6 has to do with targeting Tesla for this kind of vandalism. Why is he a hypocrite? 6 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: He owns more than anyone else. Would you like to continue defending this man-baby or is it nap-time for you yet? Mixed signals again. So which is it, are we not supposed to defend him because you just said you don't support the violence... so you are defending him too. Quote
User Posted March 28 Report Posted March 28 6 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: And who has perpetuated these norms, hmmm? You make it ok when you pardon the Jan 6 fools. You guys made J6 a political witch hunt and thus the pardon was politics to combat that political injustice. Most of us wanted to see more targetted pardon to just those non-violent, but even then, I follow a lawyer who has represented about 100 people involved that day and there are some real injustices in how the DOJ bent/twisted the law any which way they could to go after some folks and at least one of those cases had a strong shot on appeal for how the DOJ rail roaded a guy. So, I totally get Trump just pardoning everyone and being done with it. Using the FBI/DOJ to go hunt someone down and arrest them with a SWAT team for the mere crime of trespassing is no longer just about the rule of law. It was just weaponizing the DOJ to nail people. So, no, J6 pardons doesn't mean that no one can ever care about the law ever again. As I already pointed out before, if this is your stupid argument, almost any pardon any President has engaged in means everyone is a hypocrite now and we must have anarchy. Quote
CdnFox Posted March 28 Report Posted March 28 8 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: I never supported the terrorism, You are supporting the burning of Tesla's and trying to defend it. Burning people's private property that has nothing to do with the person you're mad at other than the most indirect ways in order to force people to change their thinking or behavior is terrorism. You are absolutely supporting terrorism. The only reasonable thing for a reasonable and decent human to do is condemn these actions in the strictest and harshest terms Quote I said Elon is a hypocrite for complaining about this political vandalism while supporting the POTUS who pardoned the Jan 6 terrorists and vandals. You said a lot more than that. Quote Jan 6 was NOT a protest. Protest is speech. Political vandalism, intimidation, threats etc is terrorism, just like the Tesla vandals. of course it was a protest just as the BLM riots were protests. I haven't seen you condemn those either. However in BOTH cases they're protests that went over a line and became violent protests and that's unacceptable to decent people and i quite agree both should be condemned. I notice a lot of republicans did condemn the violence of Jan6, while a crap tonne of dems were supportive of the BLM's. But in any case both were protests that went too far, not terrorism. Quote Those Jan 6 fools actually believed Trump when he said the election was stolen despite any evidence. And they protested. Quote They're low-intelligent hooligans, even worse than the dummies who believed George W Bush about Iraq WMDs. So are the BLM people. There's a lot of stupid people out there. Quote At least Dubya came with some fake documents. Trump conned the MAGA-heads like a car salesman. if he said the sky was green they'd believe him. So basically your argument is that domestic terrorism is ok because orange man bad? Your whataboutism is stunning. Let me say this slowly for you. IT... BAD....TO....ATTAK..... PEOPLE....WHO.....NOT....INVOLVED.... FOR ...... POLITICS You can't "jan6" your way out of that, you can't "but but but but TRUMP!" your way out of it. This is terrorism. These people are attacking and destroying private property, putting firefighters lives at risk, risking neighbourhoods and fires getting out of control, they are ASSALTING TESLA OWNERS who have nothing to do with any of this and bought their vehicles years ago, they are damaging teslas they find parked on the street as if that guy did something wrong...... This is EVIL. And your answer is somehow it's justified because orange man. 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
SpankyMcFarland Posted March 28 Report Posted March 28 16 hours ago, CdnFox said: And does not own it. Period. Burning teslas because you don't like musk is not ok. I don't like the liberals. You vote liberal. If i burn your house down in 'protest' are you ok with that? Oh and what was your address again? Asking for a friend. When people think of Microsoft, Apple, or Amazon they think in the first instance of one person - the guy who was responsible for the spectacular rise of those companies. As I’m sure he would agree, Elon Musk is that guy with Tesla. Of course he doesn’t own the entire company but I have no doubt a majority of reasonable people would agree with me that he is the public face of it. Quote
CdnFox Posted March 29 Report Posted March 29 6 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: When people think of Microsoft, Apple, or Amazon they think in the first instance of one person And if i was mad at that person i would NOT BURN DOWN A COMPUTER STORE. I would not grab someone's notebook computer and smash it because it was running windows. I would not steal someoen's parcel or light it on fire becuase i didn't like bezos. You are literally supporting domestic terrorism. You're saying that if someone doesn't like the politics of a person who is associated with a company then it's ok to attack the customers of that company or it's facitilites. that is disgusting. You're a sorry excuse for a person if you think violence towards other people like that is ok. I hope someone does burn down your house. maybe it'll shift your views on things. 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Moonlight Graham Posted April 6 Report Posted April 6 (edited) On 3/28/2025 at 12:14 PM, CdnFox said: You are supporting the burning of Tesla's and trying to defend it. Burning people's private property that has nothing to do with the person you're mad at other than the most indirect ways in order to force people to change their thinking or behavior is terrorism. You are absolutely supporting terrorism. The only reasonable thing for a reasonable and decent human to do is condemn these actions in the strictest and harshest terms I never supported the burning of Tesla's or anything close to the sort. In fact I feel the exact opposite, the burning is stupid. Please stop lying. What I said is that Elon complaining about Tesla's being burned while supporting the POTUS that pardoned all the Jan 6 rioters is a hypocrite. Karma's a beeyotch. Then everyone on here who lives 6 inches up Elon and Trump's rear-end took a hissy-fit. Every single person who decries the Tesla's being burned while supporting Trump need to zip it, they have no leg to stand on as the giant hypocrites that they are. Me on the other hand does not support Tesla's being burned or Trump pardoning criminals & trying to steal elections because i'm a sane and rational human being that believes in the rule of law. *Eeeek* Edited April 6 by Moonlight Graham 1 1 Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
robosmith Posted April 6 Report Posted April 6 On 3/28/2025 at 8:19 PM, CdnFox said: And if i was mad at that person i would NOT BURN DOWN A COMPUTER STORE. I would not grab someone's notebook computer and smash it because it was running windows. I would not steal someoen's parcel or light it on fire becuase i didn't like bezos. You are literally supporting domestic terrorism. You're saying that if someone doesn't like the politics of a person who is associated with a company then it's ok to attack the customers of that company or it's facitilites. that is disgusting. You're a sorry excuse for a person if you think violence towards other people like that is ok. I hope someone does burn down your house. maybe it'll shift your views on things. You know, hoping someone else does what you're ranting hatred about, is really HYPOCRITICAL and awfully close to doing it YOURSELF. Almost like Trump declaring that Pelosi is evil and one of his goons attacking her. That is, if you had the goons that Trump commands.... Quote
CdnFox Posted April 6 Report Posted April 6 1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said: I never supported the burning of Tesla's or anything close to the sort. Go back and read what you said. Your lawyer might get you off on technicality but the rest of us can clearly see that you were standing up for and excusing that behavior. You certainly didn't condemn it Quote In fact I feel the exact opposite, the burning is stupid. Sure you do, that's why you said it so many times above. Oh wait...... Quote Please stop lying. I assume you're having a conversation with your mirror Quote What I said is that Elon complaining about Tesla's being burned while supporting the POTUS that pardoned all the Jan 6 rioters is a hypocrite. That's not how hypocrisy works. You can believe that somebody was unreasonably persecuted for their demonstrations rightly or wrongly and still agree that attacking innocent civilians that had absolutely nothing to do with any political issue is wrong. They are two not even remotely connected things. There is absolutely no connection between the belief that the protesters were treated excessively for a political demonstration at a political office, and people throwing a rock through the window of a vehicle that had absolutely nothing to do with anything and injuring and almost killing a pregnant woman. They are not even in the same universe Quote Karma's a beeyotch. Oh so this isn't wrong, this isn't terrorism, this isn't violent crime, this is karma!!!! AAAAHhhhhhh gotcha. What was that you were saying about not supporting this you lying sack of crap hypocrite? Quote Every single person who decries the Tesla's being burned while supporting Trump need to zip it, they have no leg to stand on as the giant hypocrites that they are. They have every leg to stand on. A political protest that happens at a political building involving politicians is a protest. It's 100% legitimate to do. It got out of control and became a riot and those people were prosecuted under the law legally. Trump disagrees with that and has pardoned them and he has done so within the law 100% legally. These people are attempting to kill innocent civilians who have absolutely nothing to do with the political issue at hand because at some point in history they bought a car that also has nothing to do with the issue at hand. The very fact that you would attempt to excuse this Behavior as you just did moments after claiming you weren't going to shows that you not only support terrorism when it suits you but that any act of violence the left does is perfectly fine with you where is any act of violence that the right does is terrible awful evil no good very bad Your parents should be deeply Ashamed Of you and if they are not then everybody else in your family should be deeply ashamed of them. Quote Me on the other hand does not support Tesla's being burned You literally just did. Karma you called it. Pretty amusing considering it's a motor vehicle. You absolutely 100% do but you know that doing so makes you a bad person so every now and then you try and pretend that you don't and then go right back to supporting it. "THIS VIOLENCE IS KARMA (and occasionally truckma)!!! also i don't support it BUT ITS TOTALLY WHAT THEY DESERVE, THATS HOW KARMA WORKS!!! but i shouldn't so i'm going to say i don't BUT THE REALITY IS ITS COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDABLE BECAUSE MUSK IS ASSOCIATED WITH TEH COMPANY AND I DON"T LIKE HIM SO THAT MEANS THEY DESERVE THIS!!!! But i tihnk it's bad, honest..... please. 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Moonlight Graham Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 22 hours ago, CdnFox said: Go back and read what you said. Your lawyer might get you off on technicality but the rest of us can clearly see that you were standing up for and excusing that behavior. You certainly didn't condemn it Sure you do, that's why you said it so many times above. Oh wait...... I assume you're having a conversation with your mirror That's not how hypocrisy works. You can believe that somebody was unreasonably persecuted for their demonstrations rightly or wrongly and still agree that attacking innocent civilians that had absolutely nothing to do with any political issue is wrong. They are two not even remotely connected things. There is absolutely no connection between the belief that the protesters were treated excessively for a political demonstration at a political office, and people throwing a rock through the window of a vehicle that had absolutely nothing to do with anything and injuring and almost killing a pregnant woman. They are not even in the same universe Oh so this isn't wrong, this isn't terrorism, this isn't violent crime, this is karma!!!! AAAAHhhhhhh gotcha. What was that you were saying about not supporting this you lying sack of crap hypocrite? They have every leg to stand on. A political protest that happens at a political building involving politicians is a protest. It's 100% legitimate to do. It got out of control and became a riot and those people were prosecuted under the law legally. Trump disagrees with that and has pardoned them and he has done so within the law 100% legally. These people are attempting to kill innocent civilians who have absolutely nothing to do with the political issue at hand because at some point in history they bought a car that also has nothing to do with the issue at hand. The very fact that you would attempt to excuse this Behavior as you just did moments after claiming you weren't going to shows that you not only support terrorism when it suits you but that any act of violence the left does is perfectly fine with you where is any act of violence that the right does is terrible awful evil no good very bad Your parents should be deeply Ashamed Of you and if they are not then everybody else in your family should be deeply ashamed of them. You literally just did. Karma you called it. Pretty amusing considering it's a motor vehicle. You absolutely 100% do but you know that doing so makes you a bad person so every now and then you try and pretend that you don't and then go right back to supporting it. "THIS VIOLENCE IS KARMA (and occasionally truckma)!!! also i don't support it BUT ITS TOTALLY WHAT THEY DESERVE, THATS HOW KARMA WORKS!!! but i shouldn't so i'm going to say i don't BUT THE REALITY IS ITS COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDABLE BECAUSE MUSK IS ASSOCIATED WITH TEH COMPANY AND I DON"T LIKE HIM SO THAT MEANS THEY DESERVE THIS!!!! But i tihnk it's bad, honest..... please. I didn't read 80% of that drivel. Stop using Elon and Musk's testicles as mouthwash. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
CdnFox Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said: I didn't read 80% of that drivel. Of course you didn't. Having to face the truth petrifies you. Actually exposing yourself to contrary points of view terrifies you. Having to defend your position and rages you. You are, after all, a liberal. But others will have read it. And they'll know what you are 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Nationalist Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 5 hours ago, CdnFox said: Of course you didn't. Having to face the truth petrifies you. Actually exposing yourself to contrary points of view terrifies you. Having to defend your position and rages you. You are, after all, a liberal. But others will have read it. And they'll know what you are I read it and think I can help @Moonlight Graham. Those will keep him dry in those moments of extreme freak-out. That's to remind him of what he will be wearing should he...engage in karma. And THIS... Will be indispensable where he'll go...should he engage in karma. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
User Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 On 4/5/2025 at 10:30 PM, Moonlight Graham said: Me on the other hand does not support Tesla's being burned or Trump pardoning criminals & trying to steal elections because i'm a sane and rational human being that believes in the rule of law. *Eeeek* Your first comment here: "You get what you give Trumpsters." 1 Quote
betsy Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 (edited) On 3/20/2025 at 6:30 PM, robosmith said: It's called ARSON. Nothing new there. It's more than just plain arson. It's targetted. They did it for a specific reason. It's TERRORISM. Edited April 7 by betsy 1 Quote
Aristides Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 3 minutes ago, betsy said: It's more than just plain arson. It's targetted. They did it for a specific reason. It's TERRORISM. It's arson. Lots of arson's are targeted but no one is charged with terrorism. Quote
User Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Aristides said: It's arson. Lots of arson's are targeted but no one is charged with terrorism. I wish the search feature was working... I imagine I would find any number of quotes from you saying it was INSURRECTION! on J6 and declaring folks that were merely wandering around and doing nothing that day were all part of it and wildly exaggerating about them. Edited April 7 by User Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 (edited) 4 hours ago, User said: Your first comment here: "You get what you give Trumpsters." Like I said., Jan 6 pardoners complaining about torched Tesla's is pot calling kettle. Elon and every other Trump supporter either needs to support the rule of law or not, there's no picking and choosing. Torching cars is a no no. But Trumpsters suddenly complaining about people breaking the law should be ignored and laughed at for the hypocrites they are. I would even agree this is terrorism. I don't support the vandalism but it's hilarious seeing Trumpsters suddenly care about the rule of law. Edited April 7 by Moonlight Graham 1 Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
User Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 3 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: Like I said., Jan 6 pardoners complaining about torched Tesla's is pot calling kettle. Elon and every other Trump supporter either needs to support the rule of law or not, there's no picking and choosing. Torching cars is a no no. But Trumpsters suddenly complaining about people breaking the law should be ignored and laughed at for the hypocrites they are. I would even agree this is terrorism. I don't support the vandalism but it's hilarious seeing Trumpsters suddenly care about the rule of law. Except... you didn't say that to start this thread, you have been trying to speak out of both sides of your mouth. Even now... you say this is wrong, but then turn around and say that anyone who supports the J6 pardons can't think it is wrong. I also responded to this point of your before... and you ignored it. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 12 hours ago, CdnFox said: Of course you didn't. Having to face the truth petrifies you. Actually exposing yourself to contrary points of view terrifies you. Having to defend your position and rages you. You are, after all, a liberal. But others will have read it. And they'll know what you are You can keep throwing as many toddler tantrums as you like. Trump supporters like yourself have no right to complain about lawbreaking or rioting. This is the behavior Trump supports. I assume he'll pardon all these rioters if they get terrorism charges LOL. Go fascism! 4 minutes ago, User said: Except... you didn't say that to start this thread, you have been trying to speak out of both sides of your mouth. Even now... you say this is wrong, but then turn around and say that anyone who supports the J6 pardons can't think it is wrong. I also responded to this point of your before... and you ignored it. Pretty rich for Trump supporters telling people they're speaking out of both sides of their mouths on this topic lol. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
CdnFox Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 15 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: Like I said., Jan 6 pardoners complaining about torched Tesla's is pot calling kettle. And like you've been told a thousand times there's no comparison And you absolutely are standing up for terrorism right now 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
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