Tesla arsonists face 5 to 20 years for domestic terrorism

[SpankyMcFarland]

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

elon musk does not own Tesla

He is the public face of the company and its CEO, associated with it for twenty years almost since its founding. Does anybody hold more equity in the company than he does? 

[User]

10 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I condemn arson without reservation but what on earth is Musk doing in such a controversial government position? Those associated with a brand are usually very careful about any act or statement that could antagonize customers. By contrast, Musk seems to be actively trolling Tesla fans at this stage. 

He cares about our country, the debt, the spending, the waste, fraud, and abuse. 

Tesla is not doing anything. Musk is not acting on behalf of Tesla or any company. 

We also need to separate people choosing not to purchase products associated with Musk... with those seeking to destroy, threaten, and terrorize the company and those who do purchase products. 

Also, he was victim to Democrats abusing all levels of government to target him for political retribution. 

Edited March 28 by User

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

He is the public face of the company and its CEO,

And does not own it. Period. 

Burning teslas because you don't like musk is not ok.

I don't like the liberals. You vote liberal. If i burn your house down in 'protest' are you ok with that? Oh and what was your address again? Asking for a friend. 

[Moonlight Graham]

On 3/26/2025 at 9:12 AM, User said:

No. So, your point is that the FBI/DOJ should no longer investigate or prosecute any crimes because the President pardoned people?

LOL when did I say anything of the sort?

On 3/26/2025 at 9:12 AM, User said:

Never mind the stupidity of saying no one should cry for Elon here. Unless you now support total anarchy forever? 

You're clearly illiterate because I literally told you I don't support the violence.  I just think he's a hypocrite for whining about political vandalism while being the Jan 6 pardoner's biggest supporter.

On 3/26/2025 at 9:12 AM, User said:

No, Elon does not own all the dealerships. Tesla is a publicly traded company, and many people own a part of it. 

Elon does not even have a majority of shares. 

He owns more than anyone else.

Would you like to continue defending this man-baby or is it nap-time for you yet?

[Moonlight Graham]

On 3/26/2025 at 12:26 PM, CdnFox said:

He does not.  Tesla itself owns the dealerships. Musk owns a PORTION of tesla, and not even a majority portion. Tonnes of people have tesla shares in their old age pensions and retirement savings. 

So that's out the window.  BUT it would still be wrong if he did - the people who're about to lose their jobs sure as hell didn't have anything to do with politics, the neighborhoods they're endangering had nothing to do with it, the first responder's who's lives are at risk responding to the fires had nothing to do with it.... at NO point would this be acceptable no matter what. 

You really need to stop defending terrorism.  There is NO excuse for this. Hell I said there was no excuse for j6 and THAT really WAS a protest. This is just outright criminal. 

I never supported the terrorism, I said Elon is a hypocrite for complaining about this political vandalism while supporting the POTUS who pardoned the Jan 6 terrorists and vandals.

Jan 6 was NOT a protest.  Protest is speech.  Political vandalism, intimidation, threats etc is terrorism, just like the Tesla vandals.

Those Jan 6 fools actually believed Trump when he said the election was stolen despite any evidence.  They're low-intelligent hooligans, even worse than the dummies who believed George W Bush about Iraq WMDs.  At least Dubya came with some fake documents.  Trump conned the MAGA-heads like a car salesman.  if he said the sky was green they'd believe him.

On 3/26/2025 at 12:26 PM, CdnFox said:

Once you decide the law doesn't matter and terrorism is ok, then the rule of law breaks down and anything goes and nothing has to make sense.

And who has perpetuated these norms, hmmm?  You make it ok when you pardon the Jan 6 fools.

[Nationalist]

11 hours ago, robosmith said:

Common sense is so common and therefore nothing to brag about. LMAO

Nothing less than elite sense from me.

Elite sense huh...

[User]

6 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

LOL when did I say anything of the sort?

You said:

"My point was that a Trumpster-in-Chief like Elon has absolutely no leg to stand on complaining about politically-motivated vandalism when he's the #1 supporter of the guy who pardoned all the fools who smashed up the Capitol building on Jan. 6."

So, you agree that Elon does have a leg to stand on then?

6 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

You're clearly illiterate because I literally told you I don't support the violence.  I just think he's a hypocrite for whining about political vandalism while being the Jan 6 pardoner's biggest supporter.

Sure, in the same sentence you said you don't support the violence you said no one should cry for Elon. Well... it is the destruction of property and violence targeting Elon we are "crying" for here. 

You are sending mixed messages. 

Also, you have yet to explain what J6 has to do with targeting Tesla for this kind of vandalism. Why is he a hypocrite?

6 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

He owns more than anyone else.

Would you like to continue defending this man-baby or is it nap-time for you yet?

Mixed signals again. So which is it, are we not supposed to defend him because you just said you don't support the violence... so you are defending him too. 

 

[User]

6 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

And who has perpetuated these norms, hmmm?  You make it ok when you pardon the Jan 6 fools.

You guys made J6 a political witch hunt and thus the pardon was politics to combat that political injustice. Most of us wanted to see more targetted pardon to just those non-violent, but even then, I follow a lawyer who has represented about 100 people involved that day and there are some real injustices in how the DOJ bent/twisted the law any which way they could to go after some folks and at least one of those cases had a strong shot on appeal for how the DOJ rail roaded a guy. 

So, I totally get Trump just pardoning everyone and being done with it. 

Using the FBI/DOJ to go hunt someone down and arrest them with a SWAT team for the mere crime of trespassing is no longer just about the rule of law. It was just weaponizing the DOJ to nail people. 

So, no, J6 pardons doesn't mean that no one can ever care about the law ever again. As I already pointed out before, if this is your stupid argument, almost any pardon any President has engaged in means everyone is a hypocrite now and we must have anarchy. 

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I never supported the terrorism,

You are supporting the burning of Tesla's and trying to defend it. Burning people's private property that has nothing to do with the person you're mad at other than the most indirect ways in order to force people to change their thinking or behavior is terrorism.

You are absolutely supporting terrorism. The only reasonable thing for a reasonable and decent human to do is condemn these actions in the strictest and harshest terms

Quote

I said Elon is a hypocrite for complaining about this political vandalism while supporting the POTUS who pardoned the Jan 6 terrorists and vandals.

You said a lot more than that.

Quote

Jan 6 was NOT a protest.  Protest is speech.  Political vandalism, intimidation, threats etc is terrorism, just like the Tesla vandals.

of course it was a protest just as the BLM riots were protests. I haven't seen you condemn those either.  However in BOTH cases they're protests that went over a line and became violent protests and that's unacceptable to decent people and i quite agree both should be condemned.  I notice a lot of republicans did condemn the violence of Jan6, while a crap tonne of dems were supportive of the BLM's.  But in any case both were protests that went too far, not terrorism. 

Quote

Those Jan 6 fools actually believed Trump when he said the election was stolen despite any evidence. 

And they protested.

Quote

They're low-intelligent hooligans, even worse than the dummies who believed George W Bush about Iraq WMDs. 

So are the BLM people. There's a lot of stupid people out there. 

Quote

At least Dubya came with some fake documents.  Trump conned the MAGA-heads like a car salesman.  if he said the sky was green they'd believe him.

So basically your argument is that domestic terrorism is ok because orange man bad?

Your whataboutism is stunning.  Let me say this slowly for you.  IT... BAD....TO....ATTAK..... PEOPLE....WHO.....NOT....INVOLVED.... FOR ...... POLITICS

You can't  "jan6" your way out of that, you can't "but but but but TRUMP!" your way out of it. This is terrorism. These people are attacking and destroying private property, putting firefighters lives at risk, risking neighbourhoods and fires getting out of control, they are ASSALTING TESLA OWNERS who have nothing to do with any of this and bought their vehicles years ago, they are damaging teslas they find parked on the street as if that guy did something wrong......

This is EVIL.  And your answer is somehow it's justified because orange man. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

16 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And does not own it. Period. 

Burning teslas because you don't like musk is not ok.

I don't like the liberals. You vote liberal. If i burn your house down in 'protest' are you ok with that? Oh and what was your address again? Asking for a friend. 

When people think of Microsoft, Apple, or Amazon they think in the first instance of one person - the guy who was responsible for the spectacular rise of those companies. As I’m sure he would agree, Elon Musk is that guy with Tesla. Of course he doesn’t own the entire company but I have no doubt a majority of reasonable people would agree with me that he is the public face of it. 

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

When people think of Microsoft, Apple, or Amazon they think in the first instance of one person

And if i was mad at that person i would NOT BURN DOWN A COMPUTER STORE. 

I would not grab someone's notebook computer and smash it because it was running windows. 

I would not steal someoen's parcel or light it on fire becuase i didn't like bezos. 

You are literally supporting domestic terrorism.  You're saying that if someone doesn't like the politics of a person who is associated with a company then it's ok to attack the customers of that company or it's facitilites. 

that is disgusting. You're a sorry excuse for a person if you think violence towards other people like that is ok. 

I hope someone does burn down your house. maybe it'll shift your views on things.