ExFlyer Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 15 hours ago, Army Guy said: Thats all you got, sh1t my pet gopher can do better....PP has been announcing his platform a little aty a time, for more than a month now, you have just not been listening ...which is OK he is not really expecting your vote anyways....It's so good Carney has been taking it as his own....once the election is announced , it will be game on, and we will see who keeps up... You mist have missed or skipped over this https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMBkdrJnH/ Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
I am Groot Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 On 3/18/2025 at 11:00 PM, eyeball said: What a lucky break, just when we happen to have a banker and economist who wants to run the country. You've been busy praying haven't you? Good job! The thing that has always puzzled me is the ability of intelligent, extremely well-educated people to do fantastically stupid things on the basis of ideology or religion. Calling Carney an economist is a misnomer. Carney is a climate change extremist. He's been doing nothing but sounding the alarm about the end of civilization and the complete destruction of the planet for more than twenty years. Nothing else seems to matter to him. Certainly not the economy and how it impacts little people. If companies need to be driven into bankruptcy and the economy derailed to get Co2 down that, he thinks, is a very small price to pay. He doesn't even show any sense of concern or empathy for that. Can't make an omelette without breaking eggs, of course. Mind you, he won't be the one paying. On 3/19/2025 at 9:08 AM, Michael Hardner said: The populists hate bankers and anything representing order and stability. They're revolutionaries. So is Carney. He's been talking about the need for a 'green revolution' for over twenty years now. Quote
I am Groot Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 On 3/19/2025 at 12:54 PM, TreeBeard said: 10 years ago, Conservatives hated “career politicians”. Now you all think they’re essential? Why the change? Donald Trump. Quote
I am Groot Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 On 3/19/2025 at 3:16 PM, TreeBeard said: We don’t. Calling Libs left is your first mistake. They were left of the Cons, but now are probably just as rightwing economically. In what way in what universe are the free-spending, big deficit, heavy regulation, high taxation Liberals 'right-wing'? Quote
I am Groot Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 (edited) 18 hours ago, ExFlyer said: In the 20+ years PP has been in parliament as a MP and several of those years as a cabinet minister, can anyone tell me what legislation or even proposed legislation that PP has brought forward for Canada... or for anything? He has even voted against affordable housing when he was housing minister LOL I'm running into this statement' elsewhere on the net. Obviously, the Democrats have worked with the Liberals and suggested this as a great talking point and the Liberals are parroting it without a second thought. It shows a nearly complete ignorance of the difference between American and Canadian legislation. In short, Canadian MPs do not propose legislation. The most they can do is put forth some private members bill doomed to failure, usually to get their name in their local paper. Even cabinet ministers do not propose legislation, except in cabinet. Proposed legislation is discussed in cabinet, sometimes initiatives by a minister, sometimes by the PMO or prime minister. It is then drawn up by officials, looked at by cabinet again, and then submitted to the house by the appropriate minister. Btw, you have to love CUPE accusing Poiilevre of being in it for banks and billionaires when his opponent is a multimillionaire CEO and Goldman Sachs banker. LOL Edited March 21 by I am Groot Quote
I am Groot Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 17 hours ago, TreeBeard said: This will be an interesting dynamic in a debate. Housing affordability is a major plank in PP’s campaign, although he only has a slogan for a plan and he has always voted against affordable housing legislation and never introduced any when he was Housing Minister. What was the legislation he voted against? While in office, it would be opposition private members bills. Hardly a surprise. While in opposition, he would be voting against government legislation, again with his party. And again, hardly a surprise. The vacuous nature of the accusations the Left is bringing against him is truly remarkable. Quote
eyeball Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 44 minutes ago, I am Groot said: Carney is a climate change extremist. He's been doing nothing but sounding the alarm about the end of civilization and the complete destruction of the planet for more than twenty years. 46 minutes ago, I am Groot said: Carney is a climate change extremist. He's been doing nothing but sounding the alarm about the end of civilization and the complete destruction of the planet for more than twenty years. 49 minutes ago, I am Groot said: So is Carney. He's been talking about the need for a 'green revolution' for over twenty years now. The green revolution will result in the complete destruction of the planet...there will be a new asteroid belt around the sun following Earth's old orbit? Catastrophize much? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
ExFlyer Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, I am Groot said: I'm running into this statement' elsewhere on the net. Obviously, the Democrats have worked with the Liberals and suggested this as a great talking point and the Liberals are parroting it without a second thought. It shows a nearly complete ignorance of the difference between American and Canadian legislation. In short, Canadian MPs do not propose legislation. The most they can do is put forth some private members bill doomed to failure, usually to get their name in their local paper. Even cabinet ministers do not propose legislation, except in cabinet. Proposed legislation is discussed in cabinet, sometimes initiatives by a minister, sometimes by the PMO or prime minister. It is then drawn up by officials, looked at by cabinet again, and then submitted to the house by the appropriate minister. Btw, you have to love CUPE accusing Poiilevre of being in it for banks and billionaires when his opponent is a multimillionaire CEO and Goldman Sachs banker. LOL "In Canada, a private member's bill (French: projet de loi émanant d'un député) is a bill introduced in the House of Commons by a member of parliament who is neither a cabinet minister nor a parliamentary secretary." Which PP never did or tried. Even as cabinet member he has not. BTW, PP "As of 2025, Pierre Poilievre’s net worth is estimated to be around $5 million, though estimates of his wealth can vary." Not bad for guy that has never been anything but a public servant Ok, here is another take. If you can dispute anything said, with evidence, please do so. Nothing worse than falsehoods and if you can dispute them, please do so. Edited March 21 by ExFlyer 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
CdnFox Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 (edited) 3 hours ago, ExFlyer said: You mist have missed or skipped over this https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMBkdrJnH/ But almost everything that guy said was untrue I mean he starts right off with leftist nonsense and talking points, like Loblaws is responsible for raising your food prices. Even the liberals had to admit that wasn't true, they did investigation after investigation and met with all of the people and such and it had absolutely nothing to do with the actual food chains who constantly made about 3% and have for decades. 3% is not much of a profit. Food prices have gone up because of liberal policy. I mean I could pick apart virtually everything he says every single thing has an error or is misleading or is taken out of context and is bullshit. If you turn to hyperpartisan sources for your media exclusively then it's no wonder you have an incorrect view of what's happening. Also, putting forward that kind of source...... Did you want to tell me again all about how you're not pro liberal and you're really independent? Edited March 21 by CdnFox 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 18 hours ago, Moonbox said: If you had actual economic arguments to debate, perhaps we could, but dredging up Liz Truss quotes doesn't count. 🙃 I don't personally have any arguments , however there are plenty of british people who have.....Actually i've posted 3 different sources each from a different person, all debating Carney performance as governor of the bank of Britain. None of them are very flattering...Not sure how many more do you need.... Perhaps you can find a source that supports your side of argument,that mark Carney is good at his job, like i said going to oxford means nothing other than you could afford a expensive school, it does not mean your good at economics...or running a country's bank.. https://nationalpost.com/opinion/brits-warn-canadas-new-prime-minister-has-reverse-midas-touch https://fcpp.org/2020/01/04/goodbye-mark-carney-you-let-your-bias-get-the-better-of-you/ Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
ExFlyer Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 (edited) 47 minutes ago, CdnFox said: But almost everything that guy said was untrue .... OK, Prove it. Provide evidence. Your opinion is not worth anything so, prove it or suck it up LOL Argue and whine and dispute all you want but without proof, you are an empty jar. Just saying St Pierre is a rotten as all the others. Nearly half of the Conservatives’ new governing body are lobbyists for oil, pharma, real estate and anti-union companies https://breachmedia.ca/pierre-poilievre-conservatives-stack-council-corporate-lobbyists/ Edited March 21 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
CdnFox Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 37 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: OK, Prove it. I already did. As noted the parliamentary committee did not find the grocery stores were gouging or responsible for price increases, despite what canadians thought. Here's more 'It's impossible' that grocers are causing food inflation, Loblaw chairman tells MPs | National Post Parliamentary Committee finds grocers not entirely to blame for high food prices | Watch News Videos Online Can you find a source that proves they WERE responsible for the price increases? No? hmm Sorry kiddo. This guy is a liar. as to the claim that "nearly" half of the conservative body are "lobbyists", that turns out to be false as well. Notice how they don't name them? Even the couple they do name "HAVE" worked for big companies in the past at least once... but they are not "lobbiests" now. So it's completely a lie to claim they ARE lobbyists at this time, which is what they claimed. Once again - lies and half truths which you, as a liberal supporter, are pushing like crazy. Quote
Army Guy Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 17 hours ago, TreeBeard said: I’m not in his riding, so he won’t get my vote obviously. “We will build stuff” is not a platform. There's a surprise, shocking news to this forum....everyone thought you were a hard core conservative....I'm sorry to hear that, i hope you get better soon.... we build stuff, sounds better than the liberal platform of we don't build stuff....or in Carneys case he just copies PP platform like i said now that we are going into an election, you'll get to here both sides... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
ExFlyer Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: I already did. .... No you did not. Once again you failed. Not surprised at all though. The one thing you are good at is making shit up and then never admitting it LOL Just another failure after being asked to prove your comments. Groceries??? You mean Jennie Byrne, Pollieves sidekick and her" consulting firm "Jenni Byrne + Associates" which has multiple lobbyists registered on behalf of Loblaws.[16] Loblaw Companies Limited" Or Mellisa Lantsman, long term care companies lobbysist? Big Pharma that is helping guide PP https://breachmedia.ca/pierre-poilievre-parroting-big-pharma/ Or the many other lobbyists that support and give to PP. For a guy that wants to kill lobbying, he sure uses them a lot LOL Most folks on this forum know you all to too well...full of.... fails Edited March 21 by ExFlyer 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
TreeBeard Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 6 minutes ago, Army Guy said: everyone thought you were a hard core conservative... No, I’m progressive in most ways, conservative in some ways. Used to be a nice fit with some PC candidates. Us in the libertarian left used to have a home there. 9 minutes ago, Army Guy said: we build stuff It is actually good to hear you want government intervention in the housing market. Poilievre used to believe in the free market, but has obviously seen how wrong that approach is with housing. 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 5 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: No, I’m progressive in most ways, conservative in some ways. Used to be a nice fit with some PC candidates. Us in the libertarian left used to have a home there. It is actually good to hear you want government intervention in the housing market. Poilievre used to believe in the free market, but has obviously seen how wrong that approach is with housing. I want the government to get out of the way and let builders build...as PP puts it remove the gatekeepers so they can do just that...Like everything in Canada it is wrapped in red tape... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
TreeBeard Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 11 minutes ago, Army Guy said: I want the government to get out of the way and let builders build You just regurgitated slogans. What red tape will be eliminated? 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: No you did not. Once again you failed. Not surprised at all though. The one thing you are good at is making shit up and then never admitting it LOL Just another failure after being asked to prove your comments. I provided links I provided information and you're having a hissy fit This is what we've come to expect from you. You asked for facts and when you get the facts you freak out. Sorry kid, the failure here is clearly yours. Your severe left-wing propaganda is absolutely false. Which is pretty common with any extremely biased propaganda source. But at least we've been able to dispense with these stupid notion that you're not a liberal and that you don't simp for the left Quote
ExFlyer Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 (edited) 2 minutes ago, CdnFox said: I provided links I provided information .... Failed again LOL You never answered one question. Prove what in the links I posted are incorrect You cannot so you are dancing again. Maybe you should join Riverdance with all your fancy footwork LOL You are a professional deflector LOL Edited March 21 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
CdnFox Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: Failed again LOL You never answered one question. LOL and here we go Your usual little slide into insanity Well it's been a while since we've had a chance to laugh at you like this so by all means, enjoy your melt down LOLOL Everyone can see i answered your questions and everyone can see you're freaking out as a result. Quote
Goddess Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 Well, this is where 10 years of Liberal gov't has gotten us: On the other hand, new Liberal campaign slogan could be: "At least we're not Luxembourg!" 1 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
ExFlyer Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 15 hours ago, CdnFox said: LOL and here we go Your usual little slide into insanity Well it's been a while since we've had a chance to laugh at you like this so by all means, enjoy your melt down LOLOL Everyone can see i answered your questions and everyone can see you're freaking out as a result. Oh? No answers??? What in any of the links I posted was incorrect??? Nope, you never answered any questions...typical of a deflector LOL here are the links again in case you lost them. What is incorrect about them?? https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMBkdrJnH/ https://breachmedia.ca/pierre-poilievre-parroting-big-pharma/ https://breachmedia.ca/pierre-poilievre-conservatives-stack-council-corporate-lobbyists/ You never once informed us what is incorrect, wrong or a lie about any of the links. List them. Oh, you can't? Figures....deflection is more your game LOL Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
BlahTheCanuck Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 (edited) It's really hard to tell because it's unclear how Carney will govern. Canada's economy has already been struggling for a decade as far as productivity per hour worked is concerned and I'm not sure if Carney will do much differently from the previous Liberal government. If a prospective Carney gov't cuts some red tape, facilitates investment in research & development, reduces the housing crunch, maybe makes the tax system more competitive, the country's economic prospects could improve. If he does not do those things, the situation may remain the same or get worse. Edited March 22 by BlahTheCanuck 1 Quote
I am Groot Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 On 3/21/2025 at 10:10 AM, eyeball said: The green revolution will result in the complete destruction of the planet...there will be a new asteroid belt around the sun following Earth's old orbit? Catastrophize much? In what way have I exaggerated or spoken a mistruth? Go ahead. Enlighten me. Quote
I am Groot Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 On 3/21/2025 at 10:33 AM, ExFlyer said: "In Canada, a private member's bill (French: projet de loi émanant d'un député) is a bill introduced in the House of Commons by a member of parliament who is neither a cabinet minister nor a parliamentary secretary." Which PP never did or tried. Even as cabinet member he has not. I'm not sure how you believe this contradicts what I wrote above. Private members bills are just MPs making a statement to get their name in the local paper. Only a fraction of a fraction of them even pass on to be examined on their merits. And none get passed unless the government of the day wants them to be. Maybe Poilevre didn't feel the need to do something so that people would remember he's actually an MP, like most of the back bench MPs who propose private members bills. On 3/21/2025 at 10:33 AM, ExFlyer said: BTW, PP "As of 2025, Pierre Poilievre’s net worth is estimated to be around $5 million, though estimates of his wealth can vary." Not bad for guy that has never been anything but a public servant Why do you think that's a lot of money? He's been making a very good salary for many years. Here's a better question. Justin Trudeau's net worth was given as $1.2 million in 2015. After ten years as PM his net worth has someone ballooned to $96 million. How did that happen? Or more to the point, in what way could that be done legally? Quote
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